Moby beaten by Eminem fans.

[Jotown]

Has anyone seen this? Pretty sad. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002571983,00.html I am not a fan of Moby's, but when Eminem put his middle finger into Moby's face at the grammys, I thought that it was a bit of thuggery and showmanship, and I also thought that it was tacky and punkish. People are always saying that, "you just have to understand Eminems humor." I obviously don't. Artist's are listened to, and their words do have power to cause good or ill. What are your thoughts.

[The Studio Pet-Rock]

....And this is Why it happened: [quote]Moby angered Eminem fans when he called the rapper a misogynist and a homophobe. [/quote]Um...It's the truth, isn't it?

[Jedi]

Unbelievable.

[BNC]

Thats pretty lame. I seriously dought that Eminem had anything to do with it. His crazed fans decided to take it upon themselves. As controversial as Eminem is, he seems to take out all his anger in his music, not with actual violence. But this will probably lead to a bunch of conspiracy crap about Eminem planning a hit on Moby. . .

[Jotown]

[quote]Originally posted by the stupid petrick: [b]....And this is Why it happened: [quote]Moby angered Eminem fans when he called the rapper a misogynist and a homophobe. [/quote]Um...It's the truth, isn't it?[/b][/quote]But Eminem is a misogynist and a homophobe, so what is wrong with saying it? It's the truth, isn't it?

[Jeebus]

Very sad indeed.

[The Studio Pet-Rock]

[quote]Originally posted by O' Little Jotown Of Bethlehem: [b] [quote]Originally posted by the stupid petrick: [b]....And this is Why it happened: [quote]Moby angered Eminem fans when he called the rapper a misogynist and a homophobe. [/quote]Um...It's the truth, isn't it?[/b][/quote]But Eminem is a misogynist and a homophobe, so what is wrong with saying it? It's the truth, isn't it?[/b][/quote]That's what I'm saying. Obviously, Eminem fans don't like to admit that he is a misogynist and a homophobe.

[Kaz]

[quote]Originally posted by the stupid petrick: [b][QUOTE]That's what I'm saying. Obviously, Eminem fans don't like to admit that he is a misogynist and a homophobe.[/b][/quote]Would the idiots who did this know what those words mean?

[Philip OKeefe]

If Eminem had ANY class at all, he would personally express regret about what happened - even though (if?) he had nothing to do with it. A statement something along the lines of: I was deeply saddened to hear the news reports about the assault on Moby. While he and I personally have had disagreements in the past, I am repulsed that someone took it upon themselves to attack him. Such actions are in no way justifiable, and I wish Moby a speedy recovery. But I just don't see him making a statement like that. :rolleyes:

[Jotown]

[quote]Originally posted by zork: [b] [quote]Originally posted by the stupid petrick: [b][QUOTE]That's what I'm saying. Obviously, Eminem fans don't like to admit that he is a misogynist and a homophobe.[/b][/quote]Would the idiots who did this know what those words mean?[/b][/quote]Certainly not, but they do know whan an extended middle finger in someones face means. The violent and mean imagery in Eminems music is what they understand and respond to. Thats my point. Even Elton John said that once he got the humor in Eminems music he was less offended by his homophobia. To me the humor is irrelevant. It's the effect of the violence in his music that is real. To me this incident is an example of that effect.

[Kaz]

[quote]Originally posted by O' Little Jotown Of Bethlehem: [b] [quote]Originally posted by zork: [b] [quote]Originally posted by the stupid petrick: [b][QUOTE]That's what I'm saying. Obviously, Eminem fans don't like to admit that he is a misogynist and a homophobe.[/b][/quote]Would the idiots who did this know what those words mean?[/b][/quote]Certainly not, but they do know whan an extended middle finger in someones face means. The violent and mean imagery in Eminems music is what they understand and respond to. Thats my point. Even Elton John said that once he got the humor in Eminems music he was less offended by his homophobia. To me the humor is irrelevant. It's the effect of the violence in his music that is real. To me this incident is an example of that effect.[/b][/quote]Hey there Mr. Jotown, I don't want to get into it with you again ( I, for one, was offended by your poster with the hole in it remark, which, to me, was the kind of thing you seem to be railing against), but anyway, this seems like the same sort of thinking that blames rock bands or music for teen suicide or murder or devil worship, and I just don't believe you can blame these things on music, or I'd be killing people, too, because I've heard these various forms of music, but I'm not killing people, I'm a peace and love kinda guy. (I'm not a fan of Eminem, just a fan of freedom of speech/art. Were the Beatles responsible for the Manson murders?)

[Jotown]

Zork wrote: [quote]Hey there Mr. Jotown, I don't want to get into it with you again ( I, for one, was offended by your poster with the hole in it remark, which, to me, was the kind of thing you seem to be railing against), but anyway, this seems like the same sort of thinking that blames rock bands or music for teen suicide or murder or devil worship, and I just don't believe you can blame these things on music, or I'd be killing people, too, because I've heard these various forms of music, but I'm not killing people, I'm a peace and love kinda guy. (Were the Beatles responsible for the Manson murders?) [/quote]First of all, I am sorry if I offended you, or anyone else for that matter. You will have to refresh my memory about the, "I, for one, was offended by your poster with the hole in it remark." If that was from the [b]McCartney sucks thread[/b], the person who started and fed that thread said alot of [i]things that offfended me[/i]. That he was being a jerk was the consensus of most of the posters who responded to him. That remark was not directed at you. I am not blaming Eminem for what happened to Moby, I am just trying to illustrate that people do listen to what artist's say. That artist's have alot of power to influence people for good or ill, is the point I was trying to make. A year ago here in Detroit a gang of Eminem fans attacked a group onstage at St. Andrews hall because of remarks the band made against Mr. Mathers music. It was widely covered in the local media. As an artist, I believe in that power, and that it should be used wisely. We as artist's can influence people who hear our work. I try to make that a positive thing. To me, being an artist is a huge responsibility. I respect that power. [quote]I'm not a fan of Eminem, just a fan of freedom of speech/art.[/quote]For someone who is such a huge fan of "Freedom of speech", you are easily offended. :)

[The Studio Pet-Rock]

[quote]this seems like the same sort of thinking that blames rock bands or music for teen suicide or murder or devil worship, and I just don't believe you can blame these things on music[/quote]No, you can't. I don't think Eminem, his music OR his views should be regarded as the *cause* of what happened. A redneck is a redneck is a redneck. But as Phil said, Eminem should publicly condemn the actions of the persons who commited this crime. I doubt highly this will happen though....

[DWBass]

You see who Eminem is picking on? He wouldn't say sh*t if Dr. Dre or Snoop said that sh*t about him!! That's right Eminem, pick on ole' Moby the pacifist who probably never had a fight in his life! Be a man and stop whining about how bad your life is!

[Cowbell]

You don't have freedom of speech. You have freedom of political speech. Yeah, this is kinda like how all these kids die or get injured, doing stunts from Jackass, then the show gets blamed for it. Nothing's gonna be done about it though..Hey, at least we're getting rid of the stupid gene in the gene pool......

[Jotown]

[quote]Originally posted by dwalmz: [b]You see who Eminem is picking on? He wouldn't say sh*t if Dr. Dre or Snoop said that sh*t about him!! That's right Eminem, pick on ole' Moby the pacifist who probably never had a fight in his life! Be a man and stop whining about how bad your life is![/b][/quote]I definitely agree with that. Just like when he took a swing at Triumph the insult dog. Mr. Mathers always seems to pick on people who can't, or won't fight back.

[mark_dog]

i hate that eminem guy moby never did anything to anyone Eminem has so mush power over so many people it's scary some psychos look to him as a god

[Jotown]

Here is an update to the story. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1459127/20021212/moby.jhtml?headlines=true

[alphajerk]

so maybe im missing something but where exactly is it KNOWN that they were eminem fans? they might of just thought moby's music sucked. im quite against physical violence and think whoever did that to him are a bunch of fucking retards. im not a moby fan either... but i wouldnt kick his ass because i dont like his music or because someone else like eminem doesnt like him. if it WAS due to eminem giving moby shit... i hate fucking followers. kinda like fighting for your country and killing someone else because sgt. joe blow tells you to.

[Wow]

Alpha, I was with you until this: [quote]kinda like fighting for your country and killing someone else because sgt. joe blow tells you to. [/quote]What do you mean by this?

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

I heard about this last week. In as much as I'd like to blame Eminem, I can't. Unless he told some guys, "Hey, go kick Moby's ass for me...here's some money," I can't hold an artist responsible for the reaction to his message, no matter how irresponsible the message is. I certainly agree with Phil...the manly thing to do would be to publicly state his disagreement with the people who perpetrated the assault, based on his own previous public statements about Moby. But I can't hold the guy accountable for anything except being an ass...and unfortunately, in most states, that's not punishable by anything specific. - Jeff

[Lee Tyler]

You guys remember driving around the block with your wheels in high school, to impress your friends and chiks you wanted to diddle with? Around and around and around and around??? You know, grade school shit. Why is this forum becoming more and more juvenile with polls, etc that are totally assinine with no redeeming quality, INCLUDING entertainment? There needs to be a "bullshitters club"/"Fat-chewer's" forum added to the forum list for this sort of "repartee". Craig, chime in here, will ya'?

[Dan South]

I find it fascinating that some journalist has concluded that the attackers were Eminem fans given that (a) they're still at large, (b) they have not been identified, and (c) the police have not had an opportunity to question them or to conclude an investigation. ESP must be great for those who possess it.

[Kaz]

[quote]Originally posted by O' Little Jotown Of Bethlehem: [b]Zork wrote: [quote]Hey there Mr. Jotown, I don't want to get into it with you again ( I, for one, was offended by your poster with the hole in it remark, which, to me, was the kind of thing you seem to be railing against), but anyway, this seems like the same sort of thinking that blames rock bands or music for teen suicide or murder or devil worship, and I just don't believe you can blame these things on music, or I'd be killing people, too, because I've heard these various forms of music, but I'm not killing people, I'm a peace and love kinda guy. (Were the Beatles responsible for the Manson murders?) [/quote]First of all, I am sorry if I offended you, or anyone else for that matter. You will have to refresh my memory about the, "I, for one, was offended by your poster with the hole in it remark." If that was from the [b]McCartney sucks thread[/b], the person who started and fed that thread said alot of [i]things that offfended me[/i]. That he was being a jerk was the consensus of most of the posters who responded to him. That remark was not directed at you. I am not blaming Eminem for what happened to Moby, I am just trying to illustrate that people do listen to what artist's say. That artist's have alot of power to influence people for good or ill, is the point I was trying to make. A year ago here in Detroit a gang of Eminem fans attacked a group onstage at St. Andrews hall because of remarks the band made against Mr. Mathers music. It was widely covered in the local media. As an artist, I believe in that power, and that it should be used wisely. We as artist's can influence people who hear our work. I try to make that a positive thing. To me, being an artist is a huge responsibility. I respect that power. [quote]I'm not a fan of Eminem, just a fan of freedom of speech/art.[/quote]For someone who is such a huge fan of "Freedom of speech", you are easily offended. :) [/b][/quote]The remark I'm referring to is from another fabulous Eminem thread where I said I felt you were being a bit hypocritical to go on about Eminem so much in a negative way, and then play his stuff at your gig, don't want to rehash that, though, as it seemed you were pretty offended. You were certainly allowed to make the remark you made, and I'm not going to mace you :) , I just thought it took the conversation to a useless place. I don't think being offended by something has anything to do with freedom of speech, btw, though I realize by your smiley, you were just joking. Being a successful artist/entertainer seems to bring a lot of power with it, and certainly, some use it more positively than others, but maybe it would be better if teachers and parents, and other more important people (political leaders, corporate leaders) were the focus of such power and responsibility, and artists and entertainers were just artists and entertainers.

[Jotown]

[quote]Being a successful artist/entertainer seems to bring a lot of power with it, and certainly, some use it more positively than others, but maybe it would be better if teachers and parents, and other more important people (political leaders, corporate leaders) were the focus of such power and responsibility, and artists and entertainers were just artists and entertainers.[/quote]I remember now. Anyway, I agree that it would be great if teachers and leaders led the way, but artists do have a responsibility. On Eminems tour he has a Moby look-alike float up to heaven and then he shoots a shotgun into the sky and a Moby dummy falls to the stage. He is sending a message with things he says and does, and he should be cognizant of the reach of his influence, as all artists should be.

[Jotown]

[quote]Originally posted by Lee Tyler: [b]Why is this forum becoming more and more juvenile with polls, etc that are totally assinine with no redeeming quality, INCLUDING entertainment? There needs to be a "bullshitters club"/"Fat-chewer's" forum added to the forum list for this sort of "repartee". Craig, chime in here, will ya'?[/b][/quote]With all due respect Lee, I didn's see you post on the favorite plugins thread, or the Sonic Foundry acoustic mirror thread, or The UA 1176 thread I started over the weekend. People bitch about the OT stuff, yet when music related threads are started they quickly sink to page 2. You complain about the lack of Music related stuff, and you havent found the time to post on most of them, yet here you are posting on one of those useless OT thread's. Whats up with that Lee? :confused:

[alphajerk]

[quote]Originally posted by C.M.: [b]Alpha, I was with you until this: [quote]kinda like fighting for your country and killing someone else because sgt. joe blow tells you to. [/quote]What do you mean by this?[/b][/quote]just the simple notion of war being based on heavy political reasons [well, all wars since WWII... and a good number before WWI] which one might or might not agree with yet bound by contract to carry out without question. the reality is its not the actaul leaders who have beefs fighting amongst each other, which is how wars SHOULD be fought... pay per view. bush and saddam in a cage match to death. make a fortune out of it. "leaders" instead carry out their demeted mindsets through the pawns. personally, i am against all brutality towards fellow man/woman.

[shex]

that's ridiculous. i listen to a lot of satanic msic, but you don't see me beating up priests. people need to learn that songs are just songs, and lyrics are not always meant to be taken seriously. especially so seriously as to beat up someone for a reason that affects them in no way. "thugs" is not the right word. i would use "wankers"

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by Lee Tyler: [b]Why is this forum becoming more and more juvenile with polls, etc that are totally assinine with no redeeming quality, INCLUDING entertainment?[/b][/quote]Hey Lee...although there's plenty of polls and topics that I can see how you'd make the assessment of having no redeeming value, this ain't one of them. As songwriters and performers, I think it's a very wise thing to have an open discussion about the repercussions of your creativity and your public persona. It is a very valid topic...perhaps much more so than whether the DoHickey 5000 has better A/D converters than the Widget96. Artists have ended up facing punishment for this very reason, includding the loss of their money and freedom. Ask Ozzy. Ask Judas Priest. Ask Marilyn Manson. I don't speak for Craig (and never will), but I know him well enough to feel sure he'd agree with this point. - Jeff

[AlanThomas]

One of the most unfortunate results of this incident may be that Moby will be a little (or a lot) less inclined to get close to his fans for fear of more sociopaths lurking among them. And even if he continues to have informal autograph sessions, he'll probably have to hire a body guard. Which is really sad because that just distances you from your fans.