Dan South Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 What kind of problems can I expect if I upgrade OSX 10.2.8 to Panther? The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n Flux Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 i'd wait a bit before switching...let them work out the bugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobus Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Update Logic to v6.3.1 to make it work. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Originally posted by Dan South: What kind of problems can I expect if I upgrade OSX 10.2.8 to Panther?Well, I was only on Jaguar for a few days before switching, but... I had everything up and running in Jaguar. The Panther switch required a few downloads, but so far I haven't run into any problems at all. Had to go to DP 4.11, Logic 6.3.1 (I understand there's a 6.3.2 now) and TC Spark 2.81, but everything seems to be running without a hitch. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Affiliations: Cloud Microphones • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steadyb Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I've been using Panther since the day it came out with Logic 6.3.1 trouble free. 6.3.2 was put up on the Emagic web site yesterday and has been "tweaked" a little more specifically for Panther. I think mainly regarding Space Designer, but also adding Akai import back into the EXS24. MOTU's latest drivers support Panther as well. I love Panther, too many cool new things to cover here, but it's great. (now I just need a G5 to go with it ) Soon...soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 Good! I think I'll push forward and go to Panther. Can I download it from the Apple site, or do I have to buy a copy at a brick and mortar establishment? The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steadyb Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Panther is a completely new version, like Jaguar was coming from 10.1 You can probably order it online, but you will be installing it from a Panther install disk. BTW iChat AV rocks!!! It's part of Panther. You can use as iSight camera or a digital camcorder with firewire. V e r y cool!!! Not to mention Expose...among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I just did a complete new install of Panther on a separate drive. Installation was smooth. Installed PT 6.2.2 and all my audio plugins. One thing I noticed is that the need for repairing permissions has been greatly reduced. With previous versions of OSX, if I installed a new plugin I would have to repair permissions and reboot otherwise PT would do an unexpected quit at startup. After the initial install of Panther and the 10.3.1 update I did need to repair permissions, but after that permissions never got screwed up. So it appears that's fixed. Eventhough Digi hasn't officially certified my G4 with Panther and PT 6.2.2 (they actually test specific configurations and certify that everything works--imagine that) it's working great. I've had a very rough ride through OSX with my problems subsiding with 10.2.8 and now Panther. I don't run any soft synths yet as they have been a real problem for me. Maybe I'll try again once I'm positive this system is rock solid. Other issues that I've heard is that FW800 is an issue (but that might be fixed in 10.3.1), SCSI doesn't work and track count might be down somewhat. Digi expects to resolve the track count issue by the end of the year. I haven't seen this as a problem. OSX uses a journaling on the hard drives. Digi recommends turning that off on your audio drive but keeping it on the OSX drive. Other than that I heard some Logic users on the DUC complain about crash on quit with Logic, but that might be fixed in the above mentioned updates. Busch. G4/DP800 Quicksilver 1.5GB RAM Protools TDM HD3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Nursers Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 Anyone using Reason 2.5 with Panther ok? I haven't upgraded to Panther yet, and was just wondering The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast My Music: Stainless Fields Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementia13 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 I'm using Reason 2.5 on my laptop with Panther (as a Rewire slave to Logic) and it's working just fine. I'm using the built-in audio, though, which bypasses a lot of potential hardware issues. I've run into a notable snag on my desktop, which is that the Griffin G4 port no longer works in Panther. I tried installing the Griffin driver and immediately got a kernel panic resulting in an unbootable system. Griffin responded to my e-mail ( ) but would not give an estimated date on a driver. Anybody who's depending on that combination of a G4 port and a serial MIDI interface needs to wait until Griffin's support is in line. Griffin provides an uninstaller which you will need to use on your existing driver before installing Panther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Nursers Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 thanks so much for the info dementia The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast My Music: Stainless Fields Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementia13 Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I'm bumping this thread to update what I had posted about the Griffin G4 port. It turns out that, and thanks to Zeronyne for this information, although Griffin does not yet have Panther drivers for their port, Geethree has Panther drivers for their Stealth serial port which will work perfectly with the Griffin product. So, count serial MIDI interfaces among the hardware that runs in Panther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_3guy Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Panther does see some significant improvements, faster application launching, faster file saving, faster redraws. In general, it's like you upgraded hardware, like going from a 5400rpmHD to a 7200. Plus. all the improvements that Apple is hawking. I think it's a worthy upgrade. Being able to push F9 & get your windows to tile & F11 to get your windows to disappear & get to your desktop are nice features. On the graphics side of software, there are no updates required to use Panther, although Quark Express needs one. I used F11 to open Style Sheets window a lot. On the music side of things, it seems I had to update everything - DP, B4, Stealth Driver, Motu 828 Driver. I'm surprised Reason & ReWire don't have to updated. I struggled with B4, it knocked out my Audio Units cache, sigh. After a bit of fooling around I got everything going. Steve www.seagullphotodesign.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 I made the upgrade to Panther. It took about 40 minutes, and half of that was the installation of foreign language compatibility resources. Everything works perfectly. All of my files are right where I left them. I didn't have to download a single driver update. Hey, Wintel users! See what you're missing? The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobus Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by Dan South: I made the upgrade to Panther. It took about 40 minutes, and half of that was the installation of foreign language compatibility resources.OT: the language packages are just there to show the OS in different languages. You don't need to install all of them. Panther makes even a cheap ass iBook go fast. I'm waiting for some people to may me my gigs. Then I'm gonna upgrade Logic and see if my new FW410 is working well with panther. So far everything works GREAT. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_3guy Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by Dan South: I made the upgrade to Panther. It took about 40 minutes, and half of that was the installation of foreign language compatibility resources. Everything works perfectly. All of my files are right where I left them. I didn't have to download a single driver update. Hey, Wintel users! See what you're missing?I'm glad it went smooth for you! I wonder what HD space all that foreign language stuff takes up. Steve www.seagullphotodesign.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_3guy Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by Superbobus: Panther makes even a cheap ass iBook go fast. I'm waiting for some people to may me my gigs. Then I'm gonna upgrade Logic and see if my new FW410 is working well with panther. So far everything works GREAT.[/QB]Just like a hardware upgrade. Excellent! Steve www.seagullphotodesign.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobus Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by b_3guy: Originally posted by Dan South: I made the upgrade to Panther. It took about 40 minutes, and half of that was the installation of foreign language compatibility resources. Everything works perfectly. All of my files are right where I left them. I didn't have to download a single driver update. Hey, Wintel users! See what you're missing?I'm glad it went smooth for you! I wonder what HD space all that foreign language stuff takes up.Almost 1 gig. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementia13 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I took the option of a custom install, which allows you to deselect the language packages. There are also some large printer driver packages which you may never need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleen Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Check out a little freeware app called Monolingual - when you run it, it will remove any languages you check in the dialog box, freeing up disk space. I've used it with Jaguar and a friend ran it with Panther without any issues. recording/mix guy don gunn.com myspace.com/dongunnmusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Originally posted by b_3guy: I wonder what HD space all that foreign language stuff takes up.I don't worry about things like that because I have a big disk. The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementia13 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 I don't worry about things like that because I have a big disk. The years can take a toll on a laptop. Shrinkage starts affecting the disk, and the battery just doesn't last as long as it used to. Plus, when you open the lid, it just doesn't snap to attention as spryly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthbro Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Glad to hear most software seems to be improved under Panther. The only thing I've heard about Panther that may be an issue for all of us is some Firewire800 hard drive difficulties to work out. Maybe our pal SteadyB can shed some light on this issue. As with any new Hardware / Software upgrades, the unexpected may show up. I'm sure Apple's working on it. I do have one buddy who lost some data on a firwwire 800 drive under Panther. Fortunately, all backup to DVD-R. Synthbro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementia13 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 It's a known issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted December 6, 2003 Author Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by dementia13: I don't worry about things like that because I have a big disk. The years can take a toll on a laptop. Shrinkage starts affecting the disk, and the battery just doesn't last as long as it used to. Plus, when you open the lid, it just doesn't snap to attention as spryly.And there was much shrinkage... The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted December 6, 2003 Author Share Posted December 6, 2003 Originally posted by Synthbro: The only thing I've heard about Panther that may be an issue for all of us is some Firewire800 hard drive difficulties to work out. You may need to update your drive's firmware. Check the manufacturer's or dealer's site. The only other issue, but it was an issue with Jaguar as well, is that Firewire drives and Firewire audio interfaces don't work well together in all cases, regardless of whether it's FW 800 or FW 400. I've never had a problem recording or playing back tracks, but I have horrible problems when I stream samples from a FX drive to a FW interface (MOTU 828). It's a bummer, but I've had to switch over to a MOTU 424 PCI based system. The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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