Kids music these days... I got a headache

[LiveMusic]

I am bigtime disappointed. For the past several days, I have housesat for a couple. There are two teenagers here. All they play is rap. I am about to go INSANE. I ask them to turn it down. Later, it's back up. I wear headphones when I'm listening to my music here but I do still have to work (which means no music). Anyway, it's not the volume that kills me so much, it's the incessant bass, repeating, repeating lyric, repeating bass, repeating rhythm, repeat, repeat repat. God, I HATE this! This is MUSIC? I'm sure I listen to some stuff that would make them gag. I do realize that. Just an observation. I guess maybe there's some good in some rap music. I'm not that familiar with it. But I don't see much music here and this is all they seem to know or care about. And you talk about VIOLENT and VULGAR. Hooboy, this stuff is BAD. I know I'm not telling anyone here anything new... it's just an observation from someone who isn't around kids much. Thank God. Violence and vulgarity are taken to a new level with this, seems to me. The future of music... Oh, wow, I just don't know. Point of all this... I just don't see much music here. It's the second time in the past two weeks I've been disappointed with the youth. Two weeks ago, I went to a club that had a local up and coming blues guy playing, so I went. He's good. It's a club that caters to the very young, legal-age drinkers. Early 20s. Get this... not ONE... not ONE single person under age 40 was down listening to the band. Not one. And I stayed four hours. And there was only about ten of us. The entire upper floor was PACKED with the 20-somethings. And what were they playing. Rap. You would think at least ONE person would have ventured down to see a real live person for maybe even a song or two. Sheesh. Poor guy has a tough future ahead of him, I tell ya. BTW, a keyboard guy sat in that was AWESOME. I'm talkin', he is about as good as I've ever seen. Good lord, he could smoke. Reminded of that guy that played with McCartney and Clapton in live shows. I forget his name. The other thing that bugs heck out of me about that... is that I have probably seen as much live music in the past ten years as just about anyone. And NEVER have I seen it as loud as they had it there on that dance floor on the upper floor. It was SO loud, I don't care what genre it is, I would have had to leave. That loud. And they were eating it up. It was so loud, I guarantee you it would cause hearing loss eventually. Of course, my generation had its headbangers but it wasn't as bad as this. If you know of good things regarding rap, please advise. So I can find some appreciation. On that note, who are rappers that you think are a cut above? Whatever that means. BTW, I saw part of a movie on TV couple of nights ago... the MC Hammer story. Now, THAT guy (or whomever it was onscreen) could REALLY dance. Wow, that was quite a show, his dancing. Kinda reminded me of James Brown. Now, that dude is/was something else. NOBODY has ever come close to James Brown in his heyday. I'm white and I have always adored black music. Everything until now. This rap stuff... I hope there's more to it than what I see.

[Infusion]

Different strokes for different folks. I don't mind some kick-ass rap when I want to shake my thing on the dance floor. Would I actually buy a CD or keep my radio on it? Of course not, I'm a jazz fusion guy myself. Nevertheless, it's interesting how over the last 20 years or so, rap has become main stream. Oh yeh, it's definately main stream and the rap audiences, like Eminem said, consist of all types of people from everywhere. And all rap music is NOT violent and vulgar. You can like it or you can not like it. One thing is for sure, because of hip hop and rap, white people can actually dance now........and that's a beautiful thing. :D

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote] LiveMusic spoke of: [b]If you know of good things regarding rap, please advise. So I can find some appreciation. On that note, who are rappers that you think are a cut above? Whatever that means.[/b] [/quote]Ha. Haha. Hahaha. Hahahaha. Hahahahaha. That was funny. Good rap...that was a good one. Let's all jam to some good ole funk.

[Rog]

If it's too loud, Duke; you're too old ;) Just kidding :D It's just taste, that's all. I'm not particularly into either rap or country but there are various tunes in both genres I love. I'd rather listen to rap all the time than country though ... subjecting me to country music for any length of time makes me want to throw heavy objects at people. Some people don't get "classical" music ... I think they need their heads testing.

[Kris]

Back when I was a teenager I got caught by my mom listening to The Dead Milkmen song "It's a f*cked up World". She took the tape and told me never to play it in the house again. I was still a Dead Milkmen fan, but I respected her wishes to never at least let her hear it played in the house again. Kids will do what they want to but they still should have an adult tell them what's right and wrong. These kids parents should not allow them to listen to the vulgar stuff in the house... just my opinion. ps. I like lots of rap, but more for the comedy/novelty, not the music.

[Rog]

[quote]Originally posted by Kris: [b]Back when I was a teenager I got caught by my mom listening to The Dead Milkmen song "It's a f*cked up World". She took the tape and told me never to play it in the house again. I was still a Dead Milkmen fan, but I respected her wishes to never at least let her hear it played in the house again. Kids will do what they want to but they still should have an adult tell them what's right and wrong. These kids parents should not allow them to listen to the vulgar stuff in the house... just my opinion. ps. I like lots of rap, but more for the comedy/novelty, not the music.[/b][/quote](snigger) ... Kris got bollocked by his mum :D

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote] These kids parents should not allow them to listen to the vulgar stuff in the house... just my opinion. [/quote]I think kids should have to wear dog collar type devices, and whenever rap is being played, they get an *incentive* to stop listening to it. Just my thought. Can I copyright that? I think so.

[Ultravibe]

I bought my girlfriend Missy Elliots new CD for her b-day recently and we have listened to it a bit since then. I like her stuff. She seems to want to push some creative boundaries. Even so, the pushing of today's creative boundaries would be a light tap on those of old. It seems creativity is being constrained more and more. Anyhow, here's my observation about new music - New music isn't necessarily about the creativity being in stretching to new genres, combining styles, etc. like it was years ago. It seems to me that the creation of a new beat to go with a song is the height of creativity these days. I have friends that listen to techno style music, and actually discern between different genres of techno based on tempo, individual 'instrument' levels, etc. Like Drum&Bass is different that Trip Hop? To them, it is. I just hear a constantly repeating bass drum, constantly repeating melody, constantly repeating accents, constantly repeating, constantly repeating, constantly repeating, constantly repeating... You get the idea. The point is that it seems as if the slightest adjustment in the musical output is considered a brand new piece of music. Maybe it's the marketing hype surrounding remixes and remasters, where simply putting something out with a different EQ curve on it is considered a wholly new product. I dunno. Anyhoo, my .02!

[Rog]

[quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b] [quote] These kids parents should not allow them to listen to the vulgar stuff in the house... just my opinion. [/quote]I think kids should have to wear dog collar type devices, and whenever rap is being played, they get an *incentive* to stop listening to it. Just my thought. Can I copyright that? I think so.[/b][/quote]Of course you can copyright a stoopid idea :rolleyes:

[Oiled]

[quote]Originally posted by Ultravibe: [b]Like Drum&Bass is different that Trip Hop? To them, it is. [/b][/quote]If you think drum & bass is no different than trip hop, you are sadly mistaken sir.

[Rog]

[quote]Originally posted by TheDude: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Ultravibe: [b]Like Drum&Bass is different that Trip Hop? To them, it is. [/b][/quote]If you think drum & bass is no different than trip hop, you are sadly mistaken sir.[/b][/quote]Damn right .... could they get any further apart but still use beats and electronic stuff?

[The T Dot]

Here are the classic examples. For drum & bass, try Squarepusher. For trip hop, try Massive Attack or Portishead. Listen to these bands and then tell me you don't hear a difference! :)

[The Bear Jew]

Duke... I feel ya. An individual's appreciation of music (or any art) has a lot to do with their perspective. No offense meant, but I'm guessing (based on your first post) that you probably don't have much hip-hop in your musical background. That's OK, and the fact that you're asking for some suggestions and bringing up the topic shows me that you're open-minded and willing to give the genre some kind of chance rather than simply dismissing all of it with some kind of blanket statement like, "Rap sucks." I can only imagine your friends' progeny are listening to some pretty hardcore stuff, and the appreciation of that kind of hip-hop takes a while to develop. (Quick sidebar: the music style is called hip-hop. "Rapping" is what hip-hop vocal artists do.) A quick thought: Blues music was considered a bunch of "noise" by white folks in the '40s... All the younguns would be digging Robert Johnson or Big Bill Broonzy (or whoever) while the older folk just dismissed the whole style as a whole and stuck with Stravinsky (or whoever). They thought blues artists were vulgar. They thought the blues was repetitive. And loud. Many musicians thought the blues was simplistic and limited -- not musical. Some gave it a shot and found likeable elements in the genre. The way I see it... the same thing is going on today. Again... it's all about perspective. Now, some possible examples of hip-hop you might enjoy: [i] The Low-End Theory [/i] - A Tribe Called Quest Great, great record. Famous jazz bassist Ron Carter guests on upright bass. . [i]Three Feet High And Rising[/i] - De La Soul Fun. Funny. Funky. [i] Raising Hell[/i] - Run DMC Basically, this is a landmark hip-hop record. Get this, and you'll hear the basis for Rage Against The Machine, Kid Rock, Curtis Blow, LL Cool J, etc. [i] Rapper's Delight [/i] - Sugar Hill Gang Classic. Anything by KRS*1. There are a lot of other artists you could check out, but a lot of them sound fairly dated by today's standards... Hope that helps.

[Jeebus]

The Jesus suggests listening to some stuff by "The Roots", for hip hop that a live musician such as livemusic could get into. :)

[Jotown]

Two things. Hyperextended bass. Due to the limitations of vinyl, recorded bass frequencies were never as loud or low as they are now. Second is the new trend in mastering/mixing where every thing is squashed to the max, hence it is LOUD! As far as the club thing goes, it's all about sensory overload. Modern kids have been exposed to much more visual and auditory stimulation due to video's, video games, and special effects in movies. To get their attention you have to bang them on the head. Guys will always go where the girls are. I have a regular gig at a multi-leveled club. The younger crowd goes upstairs and bangs their brains out, the older crowd, and those kids that need a break from the noise, or just to talk, come down and hang with me. It works out fine.

[LiveMusic]

Okay, cool, I'll check some of this stuff out. Occasionally, I'll hear something I like but this stuff that's extremely violent and vulgar, I don't think I'd ever like it.

[Jotown]

The great teache and mystic Krishnamurti wrote over a coulple of thousand years ago: "Where there is an absence of creativity you will find an over emphasis on sexuality".

[not Cereal]

duke, have you ever heard of "grooverider"? one of my favorite mands, lots of hip drums and bass, and trippy vocals/melodies. really good stuff. look for "rainboxs of color" or something like that its kind of a drum&bass trip hop thing :thu:

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote]Originally posted by Rog: [b] [quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b] [quote] These kids parents should not allow them to listen to the vulgar stuff in the house... just my opinion. [/quote]I think kids should have to wear dog collar type devices, and whenever rap is being played, they get an *incentive* to stop listening to it. Just my thought. Can I copyright that? I think so.[/b][/quote]Of course you can copyright a stoopid idea :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]How is that stoopid? You're stoopid (pointing finger childishly). CMDN, who were you talking to? Or was that a generalised overstatement. And yes, Run-DMC does kick out the jams. And I do believe hip-hop and rap are two genres. Hip-hop is actually music, with language being spoken, whereas rap is noise, with undiscernable noises being made by human-like androids.

[Rog]

[quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b] And I do believe hip-hop and rap are two genres. Hip-hop is actually music, with language being spoken, whereas rap is noise, with undiscernable noises being made by human-like androids.[/b][/quote]Fucking hell .... that really is stoopid! ;)

[patrick_dont_fret]

It's a joke. You're stoopid.

[Rog]

Joke? When? Stoopid joke :D

[patrick_dont_fret]

[quote]Originally posted by Rog: [b]Joke? When? Stoopid joke :D [/b][/quote]When I took yo momma down to tha likka sto to buy me some burr. She gabe me a humma in da bakseet wenn we got to da crib. An' denn she gabe me da bess daggum *@^ I's evva had in muh life.

[ECBRules]

I had a student today (15 years old) who came in singing You Give Love a bad name and livin on a prayer by Bon Jovi. I was in fear. I asked him what was wrong with him.

[patrick_dont_fret]

Why were you in fear? Jon Bon Jovi was da man back when he wasn't being all pop and stuff. His new stuff sucks, but that old stuff, man. Whew.

[ECBRules]

I wasn't really in fear, but i was surprised because I usually get System of a down and stinkubus and korn from kids like him. I was actually kind of pleased. mmmm cheese

[patrick_dont_fret]

Ohhhhh, I see. Hey, watch out. I actually kind of like the old Incubus. That new stuff is gettin' on my nerves. At least he wasn't singing KoRn. That stuff sucks. How about some cowbell?

[ECBRules]

I actually think the stinkubus and the tool camp are good players. Everythings an odd time signature, which puts em way ahead of blink 182.

[The Bear Jew]

Patrick... I was talking to Duke, 'cause he asked for suggestions on hip-hop acts he might like. I agree with The Jesus... The Roots are cool.

[S_Gould]

Why is it that it's now considered politically incorrect not to like rap/hip-hop. If I dare to voice my opinion (as a 40 something white guy) on the subject, and it is less than a glowing endorsement, you'd think I used the 'N' word. I DON'T LIKE IT. And what's more I don't HAVE to like it. The people who record it aren't doing it for me, and I don't need to apologize to anyone for not caring about it. Different strokes and all that... Get over it. Scott