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Can Roland's JX-8P do these MiniMoog lead sound?


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Can Roland's analog JX-8P (with reverb and delay) get something similar to these MiniMoog lead sounds like in these Tom Schuman clips:


Tom Schuman/'s Moog solos with Spyro Gyra:





hmmm...no sawtooth waveform in the JX-8P?


JX-8P specs:

6 voices (6-polyphonic, 2x3 unisono/2x3 unisono octave, 1 solo/6 solo)

2 DCO (triangle, pulse, square, noise)

VCF with resonance capabilities

VCA with 2 different chorus effects

2 envelopes (ADSR)

LFO (sine, square, random)

DCO, VCF, VCA can be triggered by LFO, envelope or by velocity

64 presets, 32 internal / 32 cartdrige user definable sounds

complete MIDI implementation

61 wheighted keys with velocity and aftertouch (volume, brillance, vibrato)

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Actually, the JX can sync the oscillators to get variable pulse width by tuning the sync oscillator, and you can get a rectangle wave rather like those. Some of those on those Memorymoog leads might use more than one rectangle wave, which I've used in my own leads on my JP8000 and MOSS synth. But one single oscillator is still quite expressive. Be sure and drench it in reverb and delay for Lord Jeebus. ;)
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There has been some debate on whether the Voyager sounds like a MiniMoog. They both have saw waves, but those are sufficiently different to make for a different sound.


No synth can totally replace another synth. Each has their own special sonic character and tone quality. The filters (as well as the oscillators) have a lot to do with it. A saw lead patch on a Nord Lead is going to sound totally different from a Moog, not just because the tone generation for that saw wave is different, but also because Moog filters have a certain grit that Nord filters just don't have. Same is true for Casios, Korgs, Rolands, and Yamies.


One would think that the only way to get an exact match is to play the exact same instrument programmed in the exact same way. Not so if it's a real analog instrument. Even if you narrowed it down to a particular Moog, no two of the same model Moogs would sound exactly alike because of variations in the components. Not all resistors and capacitors have the exact same value they are supposed to have. These variations in the components will color the sound and affect performance.


As an aside, the JX10 is a polysynth and can't be expected to behave like an older Moog monosynth.


~Peter Schouten

Pyramid Sound Productions

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I'll throw a little story in first:


In 1986 or so I was reharsing for a Japan tour, and the Japanese agency told me, "ask any synth you want, as long as it's Japanese and not too big, and we'll rent it for you". I asked for a DX7 and a Juno 106, assuming that they weren't difficult to find - and anyway, my main instrument would have been grand piano. So I reharsed with those two instruments in Italy, and brought with me the sounds I had programmed for them.

Well, when I arrived in Tokyo (it was a 20-hour trip back then!) I found a beautiful Yamaha grand, a DX7 and... a JX8p. I still don't know who goofed, but the point is that I had to reprogram all the Juno sounds in a few hours on the JX8p. I liked it a bit *better* than the Juno, though. (I'm a Juno hater to this day :) )

Later on, they changed it again with one of the first D-50s... :rolleyes:


Back to topic: Moog leads from a JX8p... Well, it's not easy, not out of the box at least. Look, if you're a skilled programmer, and willing to take the time to experiment, you could come up with something similar - especially if you can give it some after-the-fact processing, like passing the sound from the Roland thru some kind of amp or amp simulator (Pod, Sansamp, etc.), or maybe a good analog compressor. And you have to be careful with those, too: Sometimes, they just make your sound harsch and squashed instead of warm and big.

For sure, the JX8p is not the best candidate, with its digital oscillators and 18 db/octave filter. Yes the filter is analog, but don't let that fact blind you. It's a different-sounding analog filter.


Anyway, much is in the programming. I'll give you an example: In my search of big Mini sounds on the SE-1, one of the best sounds I came up with sounds like a classic, cutting, all-sawtooth waves thing. It's not: It employs just one sawtooth plus two pulse waves at different cycles, all mixed in different amounts of loudness. In a similar way, I'm sure there are some trick you can use on the Roland: For example, I seem to remember that the 8p has some kind of unison mode for stacking all its voices. Be sure to get the PG-800 programmer if you get it.


A final note : I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but since you seem so interested in Moog-style leads, I can sympathize, because it's the same kind of sounds I've been after for years, and the main reason I bought my AN1x a few years ago, with mild satisfaction. Now that I have the SE-1, I feel that my search is over. It has *exactly* the sound I wanted. :) I highly recommend it for those leads. If you're patient, sometimes you can find one on eBay for 600/700 bucks. I've payed mine a bit more, because I had to get one from a seller who was willing to ship to Europe, and because shipping and taxes have added quite a bit to the total. If you're in the States, everything should be easier.



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Marino, that's very interesting. I always wondered why those Rolands sounded like they did, the 18db filter. I used to have a JX-10... blast it, I am NOT selling another instrument, ever again. They're very good synths, but to be sure your patches will sound thinner on the Rolands, reminiscent of an Arp or possibly an Oberheim. However like any synth, it will give you something special.
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I still use my JX-8P on sessions. Bought it new in '85 (I think) and still have the programmer. It did some very cool things and for its day was considerably warmer than the DX7. Nice classic polysynth & synth brass patches, great low pads & strings, but an abysmal set of pianos.


I can't stand the chorus any more. Can't believe I once did. I've been shutting the chorus off and running it through the Lexicon's multi fx patches. Much cleaner. The stacked oscillator mode is fun when you run it through guitar processing, but it'll never be a minimoog.


I may still have the manual if anyone needs help.



9 Moog things, 3 Roland things, 2 Hammond things and a computer with stuff on it



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I used it for a bass patch back in '99, then cased it and didn't look back - That work turned out to be my most popular and lucrative (for my employer!) project to date.




It'll probably be a couple weeks before I have a chance to set it up & twiddle, I'll let y'all know if I come up with anything relevant.

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Originally posted by petros:

Can Roland's analog JX-8P (with reverb and delay) get something similar to these MiniMoog lead sounds like in these Tom Schuman clips:

Last time I worked with Spyrogyra, Tom was using a Korg Prophecy for his lead sounds.



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I owned an 8P for a long time.


Personally, I think it sounds nothing like a Mini. Only two oscillators, and way different sounding filters, IMO.


It's very capable of nice leads basses and pads. It's great in Unison mode. It especvially does killer synth brass stuff...but I don't think it sounds like a Mini at all.





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