Yahoo Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 after installing my new M-audio audiophile 2496, I know realise that all I can use are rca jacks, since that's all the card has. this sucks. especially after buying a rca cord(has two grey and orange jacks on each side, no words on them), I can't plug th erca into my Roland JP-8000 or anyother synth. I can't even plug my headphones in so that I can go play video games. So, just looking for the quick answer on how I go about using my new rca jack sound card? should I just use rca-quarterinch adapters to connect to my synth? if so, do I need to go stereo out from my synth into the card, or use the L and R monos?? just what do i do to plug into this card with a Roland JP-8000?? I wish i could pay someone to help me , like western union.. please help me for money! he's a card , so you could see what I'm working with... http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=030906104738068038187138378753/g=rec/search/detail/base_id/52393 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 You did it again. Trust us. You only need to post to one forum. Most of us see them all. It's just a little redundant. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleen Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 How much research did you do before buying this card? Did you not know that it only had RCA's for I/O? Can you take it back and get something with 1/4" I/O if that's what you need? recording/mix guy don gunn.com myspace.com/dongunnmusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 7, 2003 Author Share Posted September 7, 2003 How much research did you do before buying this card? Did you not know that it only had RCA's for I/O? Can you take it back and get something with 1/4" I/O if that's what you need I thought RCAs were the same as the end of a regular cheapo pair of headphones and the jacks on my previous sound card. Apparently, they're not. no big deal , though. I'll just have to get some 1/4 to RCa cables tomorrow, though I hate buying cables!) Now, my question is , to save money , whould I just buy adapter coupings(I can use 1/4s ->to RCA ,and whatever the small headphone jack and size from my previous card was ->to RCA). Also, does all this adaptering and coupling effect the sound in any way , or it the exact same as connecting this with cables the same size as thier outs/ins? hey, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Use RCA to 1/4" adapters. They will work just fine. RCA connectors are not that unsual. Manufacturers commonly do it to save on space. You can find adapters any where, GC, Radio Shack, etc. Use the stereo outs on your synth. In the world of audio RED means RIGHT. Sometimes they screw up and it looks orange but don't let that mess you up. Red (or orange) means Right. Left can be white, black, grey, whatever. You typically don't find 1/8" headphone jacks on pro audio cards. Also, do yourself a favor and read the manual thoroughly. Not trying to be a jerk, but if you're befuddled by RCA connectors, you're in for a world of pain trying to get all this to work right with your computer and software. Again, not trying to be a jerk, just helpful. Read the manual and become an expert. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 7, 2003 Author Share Posted September 7, 2003 should i go stereo out from my synth to R/L into the card, or just stereo from synth to stereo into the PC? thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 7, 2003 Author Share Posted September 7, 2003 i NEVER THUNK i WOULD ASSOCIATE SUCH hassles with making music! Seriously, I get one more lead/good synthesizer( XTK or KB) and I'm done with this mumbo jumbo tech stuff which I hate! I don't think I''ll ever move on from fruityloops and cool edit pro, since I'm so used to them. take care,, have a good one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dementia13 Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Also, do yourself a favor and read the manual thoroughly. Congratulations on getting the Audiophile. It's a much better investment than the SB Live, especially the Live Value you were looking at (lack of connectors). Since you've gotten yourself a good piece of equipment, you want to make sure you educate yourself on everything it does so that you can get your value out of it. I don't think you'll often see 1/4" connectors on soundcards unless it's on a breakout cable, and the other type you're talking about you pretty much only see as a headphone jack or on consumer-grade cards. I've heard it said that RCA connectors might actually give you the most contact area for their size and therefore the most reliable connection. I've run sound before, and grown not to trust adapters; they're the weak link in a sound chain. Buying cables is a pain, especially when they start getting hard to keep neat, but they're something where you just have to bite the bullet and equip yourself with good quality connectors to carry those beautiful sounds from your JP-8000. BTW, I answered your question on the other thread. To make sure I was giving you an intelligent answer, I downloaded the Audiophile manual myself and referenced it. I don't at all mind answering your question, but there's no reason for you not to be able to find answers that way, and you'll be a lot better off if you can develop that skill. i NEVER THUNK i WOULD ASSOCIATE SUCH hassles with making music! Tell me about it. Using computers with music does that to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 Yes, the card uses RCA jacks, why ?? To keep wieght off the card. You plug a 1/4 plug into a card, and just the length of it, coupled with a little bump, could damage your card. I'd say stay away from adapters anywhere near the card, and get cords with the proper connections, and lenghth. I too have a JP-8000 and tons of cords going from it to a Mackie 24x 8 mixer, then out of the mixer, down from 1/4" jacks to RCS jacks, and it works perfectly. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shniggens Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 I have that card, too. It's a good card, and has very little noise. Here's how I have mine setup: I connected the IN RCA left and right to the RCA left and right on my mixer. It's just a el cheapo little Behringer mixer (about ~$70 I think I spent on it). I plugged my keyboard via 1/4" cables into a mixer channel (stereo). This makes it easier to patch the cables, plus if another musician joins you, you can plug them directly into the mixer. Of course, with this card you don't have bussing options, since it all comes into one channel (stereo). But hey, you usually record instruments one at a time anyway, right? Then just use the OUT RCA jacks back to the mixer, and out the mixer to your speakers/monitors/PA/headphones (I use a headphone amp, also, so that my band can hear). Hook your keys up to the MIDI jacks and you're ready to go. I kept my old crappy soundblaster in my system with the Audiophile so it can play all the Windows system sounds through a sepearate set of speakers. Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 7, 2003 Author Share Posted September 7, 2003 cool . thanx. i just went to BC and got all the cords.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Originally posted by galiwaves: i NEVER THUNK i WOULD ASSOCIATE SUCH hassles with making music! Seriously, I get one more lead/good synthesizer( XTK or KB) and I'm done with this mumbo jumbo tech stuff which I hate! I don't think I''ll ever move on from fruityloops and cool edit pro, since I'm so used to them. take care,, have a good one..You do realise that one more keyboard means you have to get a mixer, don't you? Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 8, 2003 Author Share Posted September 8, 2003 no, i don't HAVE to get a mixer, i'll just unplug and plug Maybe Gus L can hepl me on this one, or anyone familiar with the 2496.. I just went and got all the proper cables to hook up my headphones and synthesizer to the 2496. I use an adapter that i plug my phones into and then it goes into the cards stereo output with a R and L. Now, my only problem is my synthesizer isn't coming through! I mean, I really think it should, becaue I have the synths R/L oing into the cards R/L input(matched up correctly). I'm thinking maybe I didn'y install teh drivers properly or that maybe I have the cards -properties- set up wrong , since there are 2 choiecs i can choose from 1-multichannel 2- S/PDIF. I have it on multichannel. Here's a pic i made explaning the 2496 : http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/375746/701341.jpg Like i said, my headphones are into the YELLOW . I went 1/4 R and L outa my synth into the cards PURPLE part. I have no ide what those stereo jacks are (blue and GREEN) . the manual affiliates them with DAT transfering. PLEASE HELP ME, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Spend 60 USD and get a little Behringer mixer (forgive me GM, I have sinned). That'll give you a headphone amp and a more accessable interface to your soundcard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 I own two 2496 cards. They're good cards for a very affordable price. I would suggest you get something for your headphones... those jacks you're using are LINE LEVEL output jacks, and you really need something better to monitor off of. There are various headphone amp options - the Samson C Control ( http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1650&brandID=2 ) runs around $99 street and would allow you to do lots of things, including plugging your headphones and speakers into it and have more control over everything. You have the keyboard plugged into the proper place... but you need to make sure your system monitoring is set up properly. While most of this can be saet up via the desktop applet / control panel for the 2496 (check the manual), I need a bit more info here. What are you running for your software? What computer - Mac or PC? BTW, the "blue and green" jacks are DIGITAL S/PDIF in and out ports. If you have a DAT, or CD player with a digital out, or a digital mixer, etc. you'd be using these jacks. Otherwise, unless you have a digital out on your keyboard (or something else), they are really of little use to you at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Phil, that seems like a good product idea. http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/C-control.jpg Have you tried one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 You may have to go into your Windows mixer and select the sound card. I would suggest selecting the A/P mon or something similar to that. You should also go into your bios and turn off the onboard card. Do not select the S/PDIF as that is for the S/PDIF cables that input a digital signal form a digital source such as a DAT, CD player ect. To get the synth going you are wired correct. For the headphones though, that is where your line outs are, and can be connected to a stereo, your computer speakers, or a mixer or a headphone amp. Also, go into your computer's control panel and look for the M-Audio logo, and create a shortcut to your desktop. Click on the logo and you'll see the various pages that come with the card, and the different selections you can make. Make sure the volume is up on all volume controls as their default is set to 0. , and make sure nothing is muted. On the second page, select mom to mon, the third page make sure that S/PDIF is NOT selected, and your music should start to happen. If when you go into the control panel and the M-Audio logo isn't there, then go into "set up new hardware" and have the computer look for the device, and set it up manualy, and when prompted for driver location browse into the CD-rom and look for Delta 2496 drivers, and the computer will then load them. If all else fails re-boot and Windows should find the card automatically, then set up the driver. Hope this helps. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 8, 2003 Author Share Posted September 8, 2003 wow, you guys are just the best. I figured it out via the Maudio icon now in my controll panel, which I didn't know existed. The reason why my synth wasn't making sound was because on the 2nd page of the M audio Delta controll panel (the thing djwayne suggested using) , i had to switch the selected Wav out 1/2 to the one below it, Moniter Mixer. Now, alls I gotta do is make sure this thing is working properly, because I feel liek something's wrong , since a new sound card is something I can only hear to know if it's working properly. Should I not worry that the drivers were installed properly or not? I mean, there was some small text about installing it on my win XP, but if I go to my hardware list , i see the M audio stuff. Another thing , the MAster voluem slider is inactive and dull , like I can't use it WHy? Any suggestions on me making sure everything is ready and good to go with my new card? !thanks a million! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Not knowing all the details about your computer or XP, as I'm running ME, all I can do is give you a few pointers. First off, go into the M-Audio mixer screen and see if your synth is getting into the mixer. You should see the level meters bouncing around. Go into any editing program you have, and make sure the inputs and outputs of the audio card are selected. Play with it and experiment with the settings, to see what happens, you really need to know the screens and how to set them up, once you do it though, they're very stable, and you shouldn't have to change them. If I'm having any audio loss at all, the first thing I check is the level meter, to be sure they haven't changed back to zero, and to check for a level. When all else fails read the manual, then experiment some more, then go back to the manual for reference. Most answers are there somwhere, but you need to become familiar with the manual and various screens. It may look complicated at first, but it's really simple after you become familiar with it all. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 8, 2003 Author Share Posted September 8, 2003 thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 Great- another problem. Now that I'm running everything into my PC using stereo(R and L cables) the sound is so low in volume. Before I go tmy good sound card and didn't care that much about the sound quality , I just ran one cable from my synth's phone jack, because that way I got a loud sound. With all PC volumes up and the synth's volumes up, I barely can hear my synth through my Pc. Can someone tell me how I can get the volume up? To my understanding, synths aer at a level where they don't even need to be preamped to be ran into a PC. Do you suggest I need a preamp? I hope not. What do I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I don't think you'd need a pre-amp. I'm running mine thru my mixer, but even with my gain controls way down I get a strong signal. I would suggest checking your levels in the sound card's monitor section, are you getting a good level there ?? Be sure and check input and output levels. What program are you running it into ?? Is there a volume control or input selector in there that you missed ?? I would double check the output of the synth with headphones also. Did you turn off the on board sound card in the bios section ?? Are your speakers hooked up to the sound card and not the computer's old outputs ?? You do have your output going to an amp of some sort don't you ?? Either headphone amp, stereo amp, or powered speakers ?? I hope this helps..... Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 djwayne, the levels are all all the way up, even though it says the highest it can go is to zero . zero is at the top, and everything lower in volume says it to be negative! There;s not much rendering withing the level moniter that I can find. HMMM... thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Originally posted by galiwaves: djwayne, the levels are all all the way up, even though it says the highest it can go is to zero . zero is at the top, and everything lower in volume says it to be negative! There;s not much rendering withing the level moniter that I can find. The level meters should be bouncing around the -3 level, you should have a big green signal there, if not, it's something before the sound card, like in your cables or where your plugged in to the synth, or in the synth. Let me ask you a question, when you play any sound or cd thru your computer, do you get a strong output level coming out of the card ?? HMMM... thank you. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I would check your output from the JP-8000, you should be coming out of the Left(mono)/ Right jacks then into your computer. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 Yes, I have the red in my JP's right and the grey cord in my JP's L(mono) , then this cord goes into my card's appropriate jacks. I can only connect to my sound card with two stereos , but I know if i used a coupling adapter, the n go into the card mono, the synth would sound much louder, but I would be sacraficing stereo sound quality.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Originally posted by galiwaves: Yes, I have the red in my JP's right and the grey cord in my JP's L(mono) , then this cord goes into my card's appropriate jacks. I can only connect to my sound card with two stereos , but I know if i used a coupling adapter, the n go into the card mono, the synth would sound much louder, but I would be sacraficing stereo sound quality..Naaaa you should be able to go into the card in stereo, and come out in stereo to a power amp or powered speakers, and it should be loud in stereo, something else must not be right. Do you have another sound card installed in the computer ?? Again, what are the green meters in the M-Audio screen telling you, level # should be -3 to -5 in both the input and master output meter. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 Naaaa you should be able to go into the card in stereo, and come out in stereo to a power amp or powered speakers, and it should be loud in stereo, something else must not be right. Do you have another sound card installed in the computer ?? Again, what are the green meters in the M-Audio screen telling you, level # should be -3 to -5 in both the input and master output meter I Do have it hooked up correctly in stereo. JP-8000 into the Pc with stereo and out stereo to my powered moniters or headphones. Everything is loud , except for my synth being played. Like , i try and play along with audio my PC is playing, but the JP is so quiet. I don't think my old card is a factor, because I can't even see when i go to audio properties and select the card to use. The green meters you're talking about, are you refering to the M Audio Delta Controll Panel? When i go to this and use the tab of the Moniter mixer, i can see the sound in meters. if i make any of these 5 meters( master volume , wave out 1/2, wave out S/ PDIF, H/W in S/PDIF , and H/W in 1/2) to the maximum volume allowance, they read 0! If i make them quiter, they go into the negatives. As for which program I'm playing my synths into, I'm just playig them whenever and wherever i am on my Pc, liek right now I would play. LIke I said, this was the same way with my old card and old PC, th estereo wasn't loud enough , so i sacraficed volume for using mono( actually i ran a wire from the JP's headphone jack into the PC), but now that I want good stereo recordings with my new card, I don't wanna even try the mono jacks.. also, lemme just tell you, I love this card. I didn't notice anything especially great while just playing my synths through the P Cat any time, but earlier, I made a wuick recording , and it sounded great to me. I don't know if I'm fooling myself into thinkig that th erecordings sound better now, but i certainly aren't experiencing any cracklings liek before , and the recordings sound just liek as if I were playing the synth live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 The level meters in the M-Audio should be showing between -3 and -5 that's right, in the negative territory, Zero is the point you want to stay under to eliminate any overdriving or distortion. -3 is the highest you should record at, especially with digital recording. I'm not sure why your volume is low on the synth, I would e-mail M-Audio tech support on this. It may take awhile to get an answer. Yes, you will get great recordings with this card, with a much quieter noise floor level than the onboard card. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted September 11, 2003 Author Share Posted September 11, 2003 this pisses me off nicely. I 'm about to take up acoutic guitar and smach my PC liek the fax machine in officespace movie. I can't hear shjt!!! Nothing works, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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