burningbusch Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 For a specific live situation, I'm in need of finding VSTis that respond to MIDI program change commands. So far I've found the NI stuff: B4, Pro53 and FM7 but little else. It would be nice to find a sampler that does this (I know GigaStudio does). Thanks Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
progfusion74 Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 I know the RGC audio stuff does. Other than that not so sure. http://www.indiegrooves.com/dnm/images/dnm_small.gif My Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Sadly many developers do not yet understand that all users don't have mouse when creating music. I have asked a few to add the next/previous patch change ability to their software. It is amazing how many never considered that possibility that people would want to scroll through programs while usiing their keyboard controller. As Prog said, rgcAudio works with bank and program change. They also give you a lot of banks to access this way, unlike some others that limit the number of programs to 50 and require you to load each bank manually. I really hoped that the update to LoungeLizard worked better with patch change. It is a natural for live playing. Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundscape Studios. Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Yea, it sucks BAD having to get up and mouse every single freakin' time to change a patch. Absynth and D'cota work. Edirol Super Quartet, Orchestral - nope. Atmosphere, Trilogy and Stylus also don't - I'm thoroughly surprised that such well put-together soft synths don't have this basic feature. They are really amazing synths, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The piper at the gate of d Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Concerning the Spectrasonics stuff (Atmosphere, Trilogy and Stylus), I think it takes too much time for the VTSi to load a patch as they load big samples into memory. So even if they would respond to MIDI program change commands, it would not be useable in a live situation. Piper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted September 5, 2003 Author Share Posted September 5, 2003 Thanks for the input so far. I did discover that Halion does respond to program change which means it will replace Kontakt for my use. As a side note, after really looking into Halion it looks as though it is FAR better suited for using converted Giga instruments than Kontakt or anything else I've tried. It allows filter and envelope settings at the sample level and key trigger of different samples. This is a very good sampler. I agree that the time lag on Atmosphere is an issue, though I think it could still be usable. So far, with the soft synths that I'm using, it is seamlessly fitting into my live setup. I use Master mode on the S90 which gives you four zones for external/internal MIDI control. I have a preset that is just the Halion streaming piano, others that are three-way B4 splits and most others that integrate the S90 sounds with soft synths. But you press a preset on the S90 and it's there instantly. Sometimes I get fooled and have to pull down the main volume on the S90 to assure myself that the sounds are coming from the soft synths. I rarely have to touch the computer. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundscape Studios. Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Originally posted by The piper at the gate of daw: Concerning the Spectrasonics stuff (Atmosphere, Trilogy and Stylus), I think it takes too much time for the VTSi to load a patch as they load big samples into memory. So even if they would respond to MIDI program change commands, it would not be useable in a live situation. Piper.I would have to agree to that - most samples take an average of 5 sec. to load up on my system, which is relatively powerful. Though even in a studio setting, when I'm looking for sounds, it sucks to have to get up every time to change a patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
progfusion74 Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Originally posted by burningbusch: So far, with the soft synths that I'm using, it is seamlessly fitting into my live setup. I use Master mode on the S90 which gives you four zones for external/internal MIDI control. I have a preset that is just the Halion streaming piano, others that are three-way B4 splits and most others that integrate the S90 sounds with soft synths. But you press a preset on the S90 and it's there instantly. Sometimes I get fooled and have to pull down the main volume on the S90 to assure myself that the sounds are coming from the soft synths. I rarely have to touch the computer. Busch.Now I need to figure how to do that efficiently with a QS7 http://www.indiegrooves.com/dnm/images/dnm_small.gif My Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Azzarello Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 (Soundscape Studios in reference to Atmosphere's load time) ...I would have to agree to that - most samples take an average of 5 sec. to load up on my system... I completely agree with Busch on the patch change issue. It should be part of every softsynth. We're already seeing hardware that takes advantage of the soft-synth technology... it's just a matter of time. As for load times, it's a trade-off that each of us has to make and plan ahead for. Back in the day (I'm apparently old enough now to say that ) you would load samples for the next song at the end of the current song, use a free hand to change patches (and I don't mean hit a preset button; I mean move sliders and dials), and orchestrate your movements accordingly - or hope your singer could keep the crowd interested while you made changes. How I miss my Emulator II... A bag full of 5 1/4 disks, 512k or RAM, 12-bit sampling, a full metal case that weighed a ton (but still fit in my ex-OB8's Shuttle bag) and at least looked formidable and out of the price range of my clients, plus the bonus of a 30 second load time for samples so I could hit the bathroom ... We've come a long way, but we still have further to go... 18 months ago there was thread on using a notebook for live performance and we weren't even close to considering it plausible (stability being the big issue). Pat http://www.patazzarello.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted September 6, 2003 Author Share Posted September 6, 2003 You can add SampleTank 2 to the list. It looks like they've done a nice update to that product. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 Originally posted by Soundscape Studios: Yea, it sucks BAD having to get up and mouse every single freakin' time to change a patch. Absynth and D'cota work. Edirol Super Quartet, Orchestral - nope. Atmosphere, Trilogy and Stylus also don't - I'm thoroughly surprised that such well put-together soft synths don't have this basic feature. They are really amazing synths, though.Just found out that Edirol Super Quartet 1.5 and Hyper Canvas 1.51 do support program change as well as lots of other MIDI improvements. Looks as though Orchestral has not been updated. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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