I want the new Roland analog modeling synth

[Yahoo]

there was the jupiters, the junos, and the JP-8000. But where's the new one??

I've been waiting years for it.

No ,No ,not no V-synth menue dive jobby, I'm talking the one with all the knobs and sliders, the performance synth! WHERE THE HELL IS IT?

OOh, I don't care how much it costs, as long as it's under 3 grand, I'll sell everything I could to buy it.

P.S . If anyone here's with Roland, make it bright green or orange!!!

[Stephen Fortner]

I'm not affiliated with Roland, but there's the SH-32, which is a little tabletop module. Lotsa knobs and sliders and a very aggressive sound for a few hundred bucks. Hours of fun. Got to try an Alesis Ion today. Very cool as well.

[Yahoo]

I didn't count the Sh-32.

Becasue it dosen't have keys , and it's so CHEAP.

I actually forgot about it.

It seems like something they quickly whipped -up

I remember when it was released , though, on another forum ,we were talking about it , and I stated that I wouldn't buy it because I interpreted it as a sneak peak at what Roland was Brewing -up, thinking that in only a few months, the big boy would be released.

Oh, well, beggers can't be choosers.

[coyote]

There is no new Roland analog modeling synth.

 

There ARE a slew of fairly new analog modeling synths from other manufacturers which you may choose from. Novation, Alesis, Access... why bother waiting for Roland to release another one (especially since it may never happen)?

[Tusker]

I read an interview with the head of the Roland design team (just before the SH32 came out), where he said they felt the VA model was limited. Roland would try to provide the same benefits in other ways rather than simply modelling the analog synths accurately.

 

With the advent of the SH32 and now the V-Synth we can see where they were heading. The SH32 provide (IMO) sample accelerated waveforms that could be modulated in a few ways.

 

The V-synth provides some sample morphing abilities at the waveform level (e.f. sync) but also provide modelled oscillators. Additionally the DSP's are more general-function, rather than the traditional osc => filter => amp => efx model of the VA model. The integration of the Variphrase serves only to highlight Roland's committment to the sample + dsp model.

 

This would allow them to make the best of their investment in samples, and reframe the playing field so that broader technologies (rather than modelling skills) compete together.

 

For these reasons, I don't expect to see a true Roland VA ever again. The VariOS emulations are as close as they will get.

 

Best,

 

Jerry

[Yahoo]

As long as it sounds good, who cares about the engine, right?

 

And, one more thing. I wish that companies would make more than one board every 3 years!

Like, I like the Roland and Korg synths a lot , and who is probobly my fav. key player uses JP8K and MS2K , so when I play with these boards, it sound sso relative to his music. Well, ultimately , it's because he uses only presets

But, seriously, would it huret to give some type of variety? We don't need a black MS2K or a microkorg (just a MS2K but mentally challenging to play with 2 knobs and todler keys) , we need one or two other Korg synth out there right now.

They got the metal to make em over there at KOrg, right? what's the wait? I know that synths aren't the most popular thing out there, but don't you agree that the wait for new boards is long, and the way that a company releases boards that aer just variations of others is a let down( Novation K stuff , access indigo)?

[skyy38]

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[Raymar]

I'd like to see them put out a modular VA, not the Nord type, but a real full on modular.

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by galiwaves:

And, one more thing. I wish that companies would make more than one board every 3 years!

Like, I like the Roland and Korg synths a lot , and who is probobly my fav. key player uses JP8K and MS2K , so when I play with these boards, it sound sso relative to his music. Well, ultimately , it's because he uses only presets

But, seriously, would it huret to give some type of variety? We don't need a black MS2K or a microkorg (just a MS2K but mentally challenging to play with 2 knobs and todler keys) , we need one or two other Korg synth out there right now.

They got the metal to make em over there at KOrg, right? what's the wait? I know that synths aren't the most popular thing out there, but don't you agree that the wait for new boards is long, and the way that a company releases boards that aer just variations of others is a let down( Novation K stuff , access indigo)?

You don't even want to know how much work is involved with putting out a new board, especially when it has a new platform/form factor/operating system.

 

Concept, feature set planning, industrial design, board layout, mechanical planning, firmware and software planning (not to mention writing and troubleshooting), and sampling (in the case of ROMplers) - which, of course, is it's own little hell...you have to plan for and then do the sampling, then sort through, edit, and level the samples, making sure that the ones you want all fit neatly onto whatever amount of ROM you've been alloted...suffice it to say that's kind of a daunting task.

 

They also have to decide on and order the parts that they'll need way in advance of when they plan to start building. Next, they have to build and test prototypes, make revisions, and test those. Then there's the program writing stage, followed by the beta testing stage. Oh, yeah - someone has to write a manual, too...

 

..and somewhere in there, someone has to do some market research to try and get a handle on whether or not it's a good idea to build the thing...

 

...you get the idea...and I'm sure I'm leaving a bunch of things out.

 

Also, all of this R&D has to be paid for, so it usually doesn't make financial sense to develop a new platform unless you're going to be able to spin several products off of it.

 

dB

[Monkey Mouse]

You don't even want to know how much work is involved with putting out a new board, especially when it has a new platform/form factor/operating system.

 

Concept, feature set planning, industrial design, board layout, mechanical planning, firmware and software planning (not to mention writing and troubleshooting), and sampling (in the case of ROMplers). They also have to decide on and order the parts that they'll need way in advance of when they plan to start building. Next, they have to build and test prototypes, make revisions, and test those. Then there's the program writing stage, followed by the beta testing stage. Oh, yeah - someone has to write a manual, too...

 

...you get the idea...and I'm sure I'm leaving a bunch of things out...

 

Also, all of this R&D has to be paid for, so it usually doesn't make financial sense to develop a new platform unless you're going to be able to spin several products off of it.

 

dB

Dave, I have to agree that there is a lot involved with bringing a new synth to the market, but it seems to me that most manufacturers (the large ones anyway) are more interested in making money than making great equipment. I think this for one reason - Korg and Roland sell a lot more synths than Access, Clavia, or Waldorf; but the prices are about the same and the first two are not as cutting edge (usefull) as their low volume competitors.

 

Think about it this way, for $2,000 you can have a Triton KB or a Virus C KB. Some may gravitate toward the Triton for musical reasons, but the Virus can make sounds and do things that the Triton can't. Not to mention the fact that there are probably a couple hundred thousand tritons out there compared to a few thousand Virus Cs. If my economics memory is correct, the Triton is either overpriced or the Virus is underpriced. Apparently I am wrong becuase both companies are profitable and have good sales years after the first models appeared.

 

I will say that the V-Synth is one hell of a machine, as is the Vari-OS, but that is the first step, Korg has nothing new except for a re-release of the MS2000 with a microphone. Same goes for E-MU (and it have a P2K).

 

All you have to do is think of all the successful syth companies from the 70's and 80's to remember that even the best products do not mean longevity (ARP comes to mind).

 

My 2 cents

[Basketcase]

I think the V-synth is awesome! I'd love to have it as an extra piece in my arsenal. I'm happy that Roland has gone the route. The V-synth is a great combination of synthesis and features that give it a unique character. I'd rather not see another JP8000 same old thing kinda synth.

[RABid]

Originally posted by Monkey Mouse:

... Think about it this way, for $2,000 you can have a Triton KB or a Virus C KB. Some may gravitate toward the Triton for musical reasons, but the Virus can make sounds and do things that the Triton can't. Not to mention the fact that there are probably a couple hundred thousand tritons out there compared to a few thousand Virus Cs. If my economics memory is correct, the Triton is either overpriced or the Virus is underpriced. Apparently I am wrong becuase both companies are profitable and have good sales years after the first models appeared.

...

You have to remember that while the Virus C can do things the Triton cannot do, the Triton can also do many things that the Virus cannot do. Where is the sampling, the sequencer, the big screen, expantion slots, larger keyboard, etc. In fact, the Triton can do a lot more than the Virus and cover a much broader variety of music. If the Triton sales were as low as the Virus then the Triton's cost would be much higher. The Virus C, Andromeda, Nord Modular, VK-8 and many other low run keyboards play to a speciality market and will never match the sales figures of the mainstream ROMplers. Not to say these are not great. They are. I love my Nord Modular and plan to pick up a Virus C. But if forced to choose one and only one keyboard I would have to choose a good ROMpler. You need the cake before you can add the frosting.

 

Robert

[skyy38]

dB[/QB]

 

Dave, I have to agree that there is a lot involved with bringing a new synth to the market, but it seems to me that most manufacturers (the large ones anyway) are more interested in making money than making great equipment.

 

I have to disagree just a tad with the above.

Casios a "large company" and most everytime I turn around,they've come up with yet another innovative keyboard.I don't mean "change the world innovative"(thats a little lofty) but innovative in the way that they seem to sense their customer base and their wants/needs.If I didn't know better,I'd swear they've got mind taps

out on said customer base.

Of course it helps a lot that Casio really isn't at the top of the heap as far as "Pro Equipment" is concerned because their stuff, technically speaking,is "home keyboards".Of course that doesn't mean you can't use their home stuff for pro applications.So,the pressure is off of them and on the "bigs" because the "bigs" have a rep to maintain.Heavy is the head that wears the crown(s).So Casio can wake up every day,whistle on their way to work,and not have to stop by the local watering hole,after work, to die of alcohol poisoning,because...no pressure!Hey if the MZ2000

sounded killer but still died because of the price tag-no problem!We'll ramp it down(while simultaneously taking a few more baby steps forward) and come out of the gate ready to do it again.It's all right!

Thats what Casio does and they do it better than most anyone else.....

[Jeebus]

Is it just me, or does skyy38 seem to be pushing casio products in each and every one of his posts? He recommended Casio to someone who was trying to decide between an S90 and PC2X, and 2 of his 3 desert island synths were Casio!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

 

'Fess up skyy38, you're a minion sent to us from Casio. Your writing style has marketing weasel written all over it.

 

"Check this out for a reasonable approximation of what you can expect from Casio nowadays.Portable keyboards are no longer"kids stuff"-some of the units border on the pro side."

 

[felix.]

Originally posted by Basketcase:

I think the V-synth is awesome! I'd love to have it as an extra piece in my arsenal. I'm happy that Roland has gone the route. The V-synth is a great combination of synthesis and features that give it a unique character. I'd rather not see another JP8000 same old thing kinda synth.

But I'd personally like to have seen Roland either:

a) keep making the JP8000, or

c) have released the SH32 in keyboard form, or

b) come out with a VA derived from the V-Synth, without the sampling, touch screen, etc. (just the VA), for under $1000 street price

[Jeebus]

Originally posted by felix.:

b) come out with a VA derived from the V-Synth, without the sampling, touch screen, etc. (just the VA), for under $1000 street price

Bingo.

[skyy38]

Whooooaa! Jeebus!Better cut down on the Skittles and Mountain Dew!!

Yeah,I know it's hard to believe that someone in this day and age is loyal to *whatever* without getting paid for it.But in my case it's true.

 

In fact if Casio offered me a job tomorrow,I'd have to turn 'em down because then I'd have to stop hanging around the 'boards due to my lack of objectivity(or is that subjectivity...hmmmm wheres my pills?)

 

Anyhoo,If I can help someone whose pockets aren't so deep,so much the better....

[skyy38]

FYI Jeebus:

 

http://www.mz2000.com/