Buddtopps89 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Hey, everyone. I'm new here. I need an organ module to go with my keyboard. Which one do you think is the best for less than $1000? Thanx a lot! Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowly Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by Buddtopps89: Hey, everyone. I'm new here. I need an organ module to go with my keyboard. Which one do you think is the best for less than $1000? Thanx a lot! Hey Buddtopps89, Welcome to our forum. Click here to read the B3 shoot out. Kcbass "Let It Be!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Just to clarify the link given above, after you go to that link click on Features (on the left side) and then to 'B' to find the B3 Shootout. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyMan035 Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 I got the Roland module (VK8-M) for less than $900 a short while ago and I've been very impressed with it's performance so far. Strong points are: Vib/Chor authentic tone good action on the drawbars dial in distortion/overdrive 4 types of amp simulation 3 "vintage" simulations with variable leakage Weakest point: Leslie - but passable in a live situation. If you're recording or playing solo, you may want to enhance. IMO, it compares very favorably with Voce V-5 and has more balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petros Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Aren't those reviews out of date? Electro, Korg CX3, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowly Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by petros: Aren't those reviews out of date? Electro, Korg CX3, etc.The equiptment is still around, and the state of the art in this area hasn't changed much. The current version of the Korg has some pretty nice improvements in the Leslie simulation department, otherwise, this shootout is pretty much up to date. There are some good soft synths available, with the 'Native Instruments' B4 being the top runner. Kcbass P.S. Some of the synths in the shoot out are no longer available or might be hard to find. "Let It Be!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowly Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Originally posted by Dave Horne: Just to clarify the link given above, after you go to that link click on Features (on the left side) and then to 'B' to find the B3 Shootout.Thanks Dave, I copied that link from the address bar when I was on that page. Any idea how to get it into the link. Kcbass "Let It Be!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Originally posted by Kcbass: Originally posted by Dave Horne: Just to clarify the link given above, after you go to that link click on Features (on the left side) and then to 'B' to find the B3 Shootout.Thanks Dave, I copied that link from the address bar when I was on that page. Any idea how to get it into the link. KcbassNope, there's no direct link to that page. I'm sure someone can explain why that is, but I can't. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddtopps89 Posted August 3, 2003 Author Share Posted August 3, 2003 Thanx, guys for the links and all the information. The shootout included some very helpful info. Thanx, again! Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidLifeCrisis Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 I just went through the same analysus myself. I have an M3 and really wanted that raw sound live. I was looking for a mpdule not a keyboard. I played the Voce, the Roland VK-8, the Hammond XK-2 and the Korg CX-3. After playing the "new" CX-3 I just couldn't live without it. The B sound is awsome (so is the Voce). The decing factors though for me were the ergonimics and the amp selection. Everything is controlled by analog devices which are in the exact same position they are on a B. There are no menus to walk through to switch settings. Everything is on it's natural position on it. It is the same experience as playing a B. The Amp simulations on it are great. You can spend days just experimenting with the overdrive and extended drawbar features. You can use the second set of drawbars to create custom Hammond sounds that are unavailable even on a real B. Today at a recording session I switch off my real Hammond and played the Korg because the overdrive settings produced a better version of the sound I was looking for. Steve A Lifetime of Peace, Love and Protest Music www.rock-xtreme.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddtopps89 Posted August 3, 2003 Author Share Posted August 3, 2003 So do you think the Roland VK-8M is better than the Voce V5 (with Spin II) or vice-versa? These are the main two modules i'm battling over. Thanx! Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidLifeCrisis Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 I liked the Voce better. I suggest you spend at least 15 minutes playing each. I found a lot of the sounds on the Roland to be a little too Farisa-ish for my tastes. But everyone has something different in mind when they think Hammond. Steve A Lifetime of Peace, Love and Protest Music www.rock-xtreme.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 I have been through this, too. I settled on Voce a while back. I traded in (e-bay) my V3 with the extra drawbar controllers, etc. for a V5, less complicated with better percussion and, to me improved sound including being less noisy. I also had a micro b that I wish I hadn't sold. IMO you can't beat a V5 - I agree with the review. Hook it up to a real leslie, Motion Sound KBR amp, Pro-3t & Low pro {or good bass amp}, or a spinII and you're all set. Midi it through your present keyboard or get something like a SL161; or you can hook up swell and a chorus manuals with foot pedals. The V5 will play upper and lower keys and footpedals, if that's your pleasure. If you want it that complicated you can go that way; if you just want to use one keyboard and control the organ sound through midi, you can do that. Lots of flexibility and control. I haven't heard a better B3 unless it's a B3. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddtopps89 Posted August 3, 2003 Author Share Posted August 3, 2003 Similarities/differences from VK-8M (or VK-8) owners, refering to the previous post? BTW, I will be using the organ module either on my Roland XP-80 or RS-5. I know the VK-8M would be compatible, but would the Voce? Thanx! Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 I used to have an xp60 but I never controlled the V5 or v3 with it - never hooked it up that way. "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Irok Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 Well, I still love my E-Mu B-3...No drawbars, no tube sim or leakage, but it still sounds great regardless. Especially live. Although....It's not so bad recorded either...try listening to the "Phender Bender Phunk" demo on my web page at jeffsheamusic.copm . I'd say it's biggest weakness is the transition from non-leslie to leslie...The unit doesn't emulate a leslie; it simply plays samples of leslies. So if you're playing a non-leslie sound and turn the mod wheel (as long as a leslie sound is programmed to play) it 'phases' between the two. You can get away with it live if you're playing stuff like classic rock. But for recordings, I don't think it would work out as well. I got mine for $400. I think it goes for around $350 now, although they might be harder to find. (You can always get another E-Mu Proteus 1000 or 2000 family module and simply buy and plug the rom into it.) Check out my band's site at: The Key Components! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Fiala Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 Love my V5!!!! It rocks! To be fair though, the new Roland module does sound pretty good too. Probably couldn't go wrong with either! Tom F. "It is what it is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyMan035 Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 You'll find more opinions on the Voce V-5 since the Roland module is relatively new - within the last year. I've RARELY heard a negative comment about the V-5. It's a very good B3 emulator. I went with the VK8-M since it had the sound I wanted, built in Leslie, and it's not orange. The VK8-M has ALOT of balls on amp simulation III and IV. The overdrive is killer. If you're looking for a Deep Purple or Steppenwolf grinding organ, you'll have no problem. It can also sound very sweet and mellow with a little perc. The Vib/Chor is dead on - a weakness on some of the other clones. Again, the Leslie leaves something to be desired. But it's not bad and will carry you live with no problem. If you're deciding between the Voce and Roland - I don't think you can go wrong with either. The Roland fit in better for my taste; I'd recommend comparing them side by side before you make a decision to see what's best for you. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddtopps89 Posted August 4, 2003 Author Share Posted August 4, 2003 KeyMan035, can you change the leslie controls on the VK-8M? I believe you can do this on the Voce with the Spin II, right? (Sorry 'bout all the questions) Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick K. Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 How do you feel about the size of the vk8m? I'd sure like to have a relatively small unit for stage work that would fit on top of a controller. From the pics, the vk8m seem rather large. What do you think? Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrdman Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 Originally posted by KeyMan035: Weakest point: Leslie - but passable in a live situation. If you're recording or playing solo, you may want to enhance. .I am quite happy with the Leslie sim on my VK8 when run in stereo (through pair of SRM450s) In mono its rather flat but then that is to be expected. The difference is enough to make me carry the extra speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Fortner Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 That's the thing about the V5... compact as hell. But hey, I carry a VK-7 and a Leslie 142 around. The V5 has no onboard Leslie simulation, but paired with something like a Pro-3T you've got bang for the buck without the pang for the back. Stephen Fortner Principal, Fortner Media Former Editor in Chief, Keyboard Magazine Digital Piano Consultant, Piano Buyer Magazine Industry affiliations: Antares, Arturia, Giles Communications, MS Media, Polyverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opp Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I am trying out a VK 8M and it sounds great to me very organic and big I used it live the other day and it sounded great both mellow and rockin,even the digital distortion.The leslie to my ears just needs to be tweaked, slightly slower rise and fall times.It looks bigger in the pictures than it is 9-3/4 W , 10-7/8 D, 3-1/16 H.I have yet to compare it to the korg cx3 which I'll have to do before I commit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddtopps89 Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 Originally posted by Rick Kreuzer: How do you feel about the size of the vk8m? I'd sure like to have a relatively small unit for stage work that would fit on top of a controller. From the pics, the vk8m seem rather large. What do you think? RickThe VK-8M is not that large. I can work with it's size. Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddtopps89 Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 Originally posted by opp: I am trying out a VK 8M and it sounds great to me very organic and big I used it live the other day and it sounded great both mellow and rockin,even the digital distortion.The leslie to my ears just needs to be tweaked, slightly slower rise and fall times.It looks bigger in the pictures than it is 9-3/4 W , 10-7/8 D, 3-1/16 H.I have yet to compare it to the korg cx3 which I'll have to do before I commit.Can the leslie sim. on the VK-8M be tweaked? Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opp Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Yes there are 13 parameters you can adjust for the leslie ,just globally though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahoo Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I just realized that organs are the coolest keyboards ever. Well , not really, but I hope to one day have one. If I do get one , I'd get that new Roland module. it looks so cool , and you could liek whip it out in a dennys and say " okay , everybody, let's just play it cool. I'm passin around a hat now . I want your jewles, your wallets, your rings, your pinky rings , your baby rings"{ people would see that thing , and think it's a bomb Um, one time, we was in Denny's , and the lights went out, and I said " okay , this is a motha F**kin stick -up! I'm passin round the hat . I want you jewles, your wallets, your rings, your pinky rings , your baby rings. And, like all my friends thought it was funny, and one of em remonds me and says it in liek a funny voice liek "I Want you baby rings( originally taked from a Red man song) So, yeah, ultimately the organ mosule is a very good, versitile if you will piece of machinery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyMan035 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Roland's VK8-M, which is larger than the V-5, wouldn't fit well atop most controllers - I bought the stand that Roland sells seperately to mount it. The leslie CAN be tweaked globally. These parameters can be edited for the woofer and tweeter individually: volume rise time fall time spread slow speed fast speed virtual distance from leslie to mic irregularity of rotation timing sync to either woofer or tweeter Hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddtopps89 Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 Thanx, KeyMan. I was waiting for that. Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddtopps89 Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 ^ Sorry 'bout that. Well, the Voce V5 with the Spin II would cost $1150 and the VK-8M with the bracket would be only $875. In my first post, I said that I would like to have something under $1000. I would also like to have something who's leslie can be tweaked, who can fit, who sounds good, who's easy to use, and all this is really the VK-8M. Plus it gives me other things to lust over, the D-beam, reverb, amp types, 36 user registrations, and a bunch of other things that the Voce doesn't contain. So, I think I've made my decision and that is the VK-8M. I'd like to thank everyone who posted in this thread, whether you were quoted or not, for trying to help me out and helping me come to this decision. Thanx a lot! Keep the music flowing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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