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The college game is totally different at that position.
You got it, bub. And, I'll bet the speed of the game has got to confound running backs, too, guys that were used to outrunning linebackers in college can't do that anymore...

 

Deltha O'Neal is totally overrated. You are gonna see so many zones from Denver, it won't be funny. And guys will throw under the zone all night. Remember the Raiders/Steelers game last year (2nd or 3rd game , I think). Gannon picked us apart by doing this. Ditto the Patsies. Great cover corners in the NFL are few and far between, and basically the greats EARN their money.

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Originally posted by Biggus:

db- Are you screwin with me, or did you seriously not know the Bolts cut Seau in the offseason? ;)

I most likely heard about it at the time, I probably just forgot about it. I killed off waaaaaay too many brain cells during the '80s...that, plus I tend to focus on hoops (die, Lakers, die :D ) during springtime...

 

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And conversely, the Giants looked pretty bad. Fassel said he just wanted a solid effort - he didn't get one.

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Originally posted by coyote:

And conversely, the Giants looked pretty bad. Fassel said he just wanted a solid effort - he didn't get one.

Yeah, but...

 

If history has taught us anything, it's that great D is a (if not THE) major key.

 

Teams who are playing superbly on defense kinda have a tendency to make their opponents look as though they suck...

 

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Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

Originally posted by coyote:

And conversely, the Giants looked pretty bad. Fassel said he just wanted a solid effort - he didn't get one.

Yeah, but...

 

If history has taught us anything, it's that great D is a (if not THE) major key.

 

Teams who are playing superbly on defense kinda have a tendency to make their opponents look as though they suck...

 

dB

Indeed. And with a much more solid D, the Pats will inevitably look better on O. Last years run defense was embarrasing - here's hoping last night was the beginning of something great from N.E.! :freak:
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Originally posted by Biggus:

And the Bengals are going to be better than people think.
That's like saying, wow, Ishtar really wasn't that bad of a movie, when you think about it. ;)

 

Marvin Lewis is a great coach, don't get me wrong, but the Bengals are, well, the Bungles. How many 1st round quarterback busts do they need (oh Akili, Akili, where are you?)

 

They'll win 5 or 6 games. Ditto the Cards.

Well I think he was right, the Bengels will surprize a few people....maybe they win 7-8 games. This is the 1st year that they've replaced the just about the entire couching staff and increased the scouting ranks as well. Getting to .500 would be a hell of a starting point for them and Marvin Lewis. It did wonders for Jeff Fisher. We'll see.
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What ever happened to tough guys that let their on field actions speak for themselves? Intensity is a good thing and people like Sapp and shannon sharpe will uh liven things up a bit but shockey doesn't really know where the line is. The same thing with terrel owens.

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Originally posted by Biggus:

You know, the more I think about it, the Falcons are starting to seem more and more viable as a serious contender this year. Michael Vick is a freak of nature...

Agreed, earlier in the thread I mentioned the Falcons possible replacing the Eagles this year in the Championshipp game. The Eagles are testing the limits by constantly loosing there best players. In an Eagles fan but live here in Atlanta(16+ Mike Vick games a year..thank you god!) so I got to see a ton of Falcon stuff. For me it really comes down to a few things...

 

Can the Falcons protect Vick in this new "stay in the pocket" scheme with an iffy O-line? Is there D any better this year(playing badly late last season)? Are the Saints and there new "Vick proof" young defense gonna rise or fall? Especially in December. To me those factors remain the most important. Green Bay could easily enter the Championship race, but It's looking like Favre's bored silly with football of late. He may prove me wrong which isn;t a bad thing.

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Originally posted by thrashole369:

What ever happened to tough guys that let their on field actions speak for themselves? Intensity is a good thing and people like Sapp and shannon sharpe will uh liven things up a bit but shockey doesn't really know where the line is. The same thing with terrel owens.

Sapp's a gentleman at heart, Shockey's not. Shannon Sharpe is an egomaniac and T Owens may have issues. Trash talking has always been there, as they say Larry Bird was the best at it, but no one off the court really knew.

The difference is the media coverage. Many more mics, many more camera's and reporters and sports channels, but fewer real story's to cover. So they all migrate to the loudmouths.

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Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

Once a horse's ass, always a horse's ass... :rolleyes:

What an amazing idiot this guy is. As much as I criticize TO for his on-field antics, at least he keeps them mostly on the field.

 

And for all his homo bashing, perhaps Mr. Shockey has something in the closet he'd like to keep there, perhaps? ;)

 

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Agreed, earlier in the thread I mentioned the Falcons possible replacing the Eagles this year in the Championshipp game. The Eagles are testing the limits by constantly loosing there best players. In an Eagles fan but live here in Atlanta(16+ Mike Vick games a year..thank you god!) so I got to see a ton of Falcon stuff. For me it really comes down to a few things...

 

Can the Falcons protect Vick in this new "stay in the pocket" scheme with an iffy O-line? Is there D any better this year(playing badly late last season)? Are the Saints and there new "Vick proof" young defense gonna rise or fall? Especially in December. To me those factors remain the most important. Green Bay could easily enter the Championship race, but It's looking like Favre's bored silly with football of late. He may prove me wrong which isn;t a bad thing.

I think Philly is one of the most overrated teams. Yeah, Donovan McNabb is good, but... And Duce Staley seems to want no part of the team. Corell Buckwalter and the other guy aren't gonna cut it as feature backs... I'll be curious to see what Jon Ritchie brings to the table for the Birds...

 

The Packers. Probably win the Central, get booted first round of playoffs. Hasn't Farve had enough yet?

 

The Saints-- Hmm. They'll find a way to choke. Again. Which is a shame, cause I like Haslett as a coach. And, sorry, but Aaron Brooks ain't the man at QB...

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I don't think Philly WAS overrated last year; but I do think so this year. Losing Hugh DOuglas was only one of several major losses. That D kept them in a lot of games, and the heart and soul of it is gone. Sure, their starting corners are one of the best pairs in the NFL; but if either one goes down; the bench sucks.

 

Cincy MIGHT make 7-9; I think 6-10 is more likely. Marvin is worth 2-3 games, the improved receiving corps is worth a game or 2.

 

Do you think Houston improved their line enough to keep Carr on his feet?

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I wouldn't say the Eagles are overrated, maybe overachieving, but they do play furious intense football. If Donovan was 100% in the playoffs, they may have made it thru.....so much for "ifs" huh.

 

The Saints problems are Haslett, at least last year they were. Brooks is good, but was badly hurt. All they had to do was play the second string QB down the stretch. Haslett has no good answers as to why they didn't do that. Any backup QB short of Ryan Leaf is better than an injured one skipping balls off the turf. I do agree that they'll have there usual meltdown come December...It's getting so bad with them it's now like The Bills in the Super Bowl

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There are lots of athletes who are assholes.

 

Jeremey Schockey is an ass, but he may just mature. He talkes a lot, and he is an outstanding player, but he did nothing versus the 49ers as I recall in the playoff loss to us last year. Julian Peterson pretty much shut him down for most of 3 quarters. There does seem to be a bit of a homophobic theme in his stupidity.

 

Terrell Owens has issues himself. The incident on the "Star" in Dallas 3 years ago was stupid and childish, and still haunts him. It caused 2 years of acrimony between him and Coach Marriucci. Owens has a hard time backing down from stupid statements. His saying that Mooch took it easy on the Bears was assinine. I actually thought the "Sharpie" incident in Seattle was funny and Mike Holmgren way overreacted. It's not like he handed the ball to the CB - he gave it to a friend in the stands.

 

Bill Romanowski's spitting on J.J. Stokes was far more classless than anything TO has done.

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Originally posted by thrashole369:

Wow, i didn't think deltha had that bad of a year. The rookies are definitely a concern though.

Deltha got benched for the last few games of the season last year. I don't know if it was the defensive scheme or not, but he looked pretty confused at times.

 

The new defensive coordinator is betting the farm on a pash rush that has never been dominant in recent memory (even during the Super Bowl years). What I'm hearing from the coaching staff is that the reason the pass rush has been so unimpressive is that the front four have been given too much run stopping responsibility, that having four lineman and three linebackers keying on the run has been effective (what, they were fifth in the NFL last year against the run?) but overkill. So, this year the lineman get to pin their ears back to pressure the QB (and relieve pressure on the secondary) and linebackers will be relied on for their blazing speed to shut down the run. All I can say is "We'll see." The Bronco linebackers as a set are arguably the best in the NFL (though individually I don't know that any are in the top five). If this scheme fails, oh, boy, are the Broncos in trouble. All joking aside, the Raiders Monday night game is going to tell the tale.

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Originally posted by Jeff the Weasel:

Raiders are back, baby.

Yeah, I think the Raiders are (AFC) champs until someone proves otherwise. I still don't know what happened in the Super Bowl last year. It may have been Gruden, but it may also have been that the Raiders just didn't show up. People have forgotten, but they played dreadful football for four weeks in the middle of the season last year. Was that the team that showed up for the Super Bowl? Kind of looked like it.

 

Raiders fans better hope it was a let down and not Gruden's coaching. Otherwise, there's the danger that Gruden showed the rest of the league how to shut down that offense. Personally, I hope that he did, because when it's working, it's a mighty thing to behold.

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I didn't get to watch all of the games that iwould like. I listened to them on the internet but there is definitely something lost in the translation. I definitely think that the defense will make or break the broncos this year. I like the linebacking core though. letting the speedy backers like ian gold attack QB's should help out the secondary and cut down on the big pass interferance calls that killed them last year.

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Originally posted by thrashole369:

I didn't get to watch all of the games that iwould like.

As Dave Bryce and I have talked about before, it's the one great thing abou having no team in LA. We get no blackouts...three games televised every Sunday, with the local CBS affiliate covering most Raider games. :thu:

 

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Originally posted by Postman:

Originally posted by Jeff the Weasel:

Raiders are back, baby.

Yeah, I think the Raiders are (AFC) champs until someone proves otherwise. I still don't know what happened in the Super Bowl last year. It may have been Gruden, but it may also have been that the Raiders just didn't show up. People have forgotten, but they played dreadful football for four weeks in the middle of the season last year. Was that the team that showed up for the Super Bowl? Kind of looked like it.

 

Raiders fans better hope it was a let down and not Gruden's coaching. Otherwise, there's the danger that Gruden showed the rest of the league how to shut down that offense. Personally, I hope that he did, because when it's working, it's a mighty thing to behold.

Good points, keep in mind though that the Titan''s had that Offense in check in the championship game until there turnover meltdown before the half. The Titan's are my team but they were VERY banged up and shouldn't have even been able to even be on the feild with the Raiders in that game. That said, the Raiders did what they had to do and won.

 

There are blueprints for beating this team, but the Titan's have super-Steve, and realistically no one has near the defense of Bucs. Miami has to show me more in Dec to make me a believer.

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Originally posted by Jeff the Weasel:

As Dave Bryce and I have talked about before, it's the one great thing abou having no team in LA. We get no blackouts...three games televised every Sunday, with the local CBS affiliate covering most Raider games. :thu:

That's a lot different than when I lived there (early 90s). There was one game and one game only (the Raiders game). If there was a double header they wouldn't show the second game. :eek:
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Originally posted by Biggus:

You are gonna see so many zones from Denver, it won't be funny. And guys will throw under the zone all night. Remember the Raiders/Steelers game last year (2nd or 3rd game , I think). Gannon picked us apart by doing this. Ditto the Patsies. Great cover corners in the NFL are few and far between, and basically the greats EARN their money.

Actually, Denver is going to try to play man. If you really think you're going to get pressure to the quarterback, it's essential that the corners are all over the receivers to make it tough to get off line and run the quick slant routes.

 

Gannon is deadly if he's got time in the pocket. Great corner or no. And, yes, great corners are very rare.

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