mbl Posted November 30, 2002 Author Share Posted November 30, 2002 So far Felix is the only one who gets it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyphus Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I agree that ticket prices are absurd, but that isn't just Macca, that is a problem that is plaguing the whole industry. I simply won't go to concerts that cost more than $30, and I don't pay TicketMaster inconvenience fees. Hence I don't go to a lot of concerts. Whatever...the best shows are usually in smaller venues anyway. Still, you've got to give the man credit. He just put out one of his most interesting albums in a long time (Driving Rain), when he could have just as easily put out any old load of crap and it would have sold. And at his age he is still getting out there and making people happy. Like others have said, what will the rest of us be doing at that age? Sure, the exploitation of the 911/patriotism thing is lame, but that is another example of something that is being done all over the place. Why single out Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by gmd: [b]If they want to pay $300 to sit and cry through an oldies show, what's it to you?[/b][/quote]Actually,front row for the Knicks is a lot higher than that,just ask Woody or Spike,but be polite, and ask them when they're finished crying. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by mbl: [b]So far Felix is the only one who gets it...[/b][/quote]Congratulations, you have found someone as wrong as you. :p In two days, it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbl Posted November 30, 2002 Author Share Posted November 30, 2002 Paul is the worst example of what I mean by these sixties phonies peddling their corporate nostalgia. He's made billions off his fans, and should be playing for them for free. He could afford to do that for the rest of his life and still be a billionaire. He's not the only one by a long shot. Add Santana, Rolling Stones, The Who, and all those other former "anti-establishment" hippie rebels to the roster. Racking in billions suckering their fans. As for "Driving Rain", what I heard of it made me want to vomit. He couldn't write a good song now to save his life. It's pathetic music, and it's hard to believe that the same guy wrote such great songs when he was younger. (Maybe he had a "ghost" writer like some novelists.) He's like a punch-drunk former boxer trying to make a comeback. They need to get the hook out like in Vaudeville days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyvommit Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I think in about 20 or 30 years us gen-X'ers will be paying $300 and sobbing our eyes at Dave Matthews concerts and youngsters will be telling us how much they think he sucks. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Hey MBL-Wait a minute. Felix is not the only one who "gets it". I agreed with you that Paul is pure "cheese". too. Give me some credit here! (Where's the love, man?) You also forgot to mention the third-grade level poetry he's been hawking all over TV the last year or two, not to mention his third-grade level "paintings". This is a man with a serious self-love thing going on. His ego is so out of control that he CAN'T retire. (I guess all that adulation must be addictive.) Anyway, you list Aerosmith as another 60's corporate cheese-rock band, and I'm pretty sure they're a 70's corporate cheese-rock band... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix_dup1 Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by jonnyvommit: [b]I think in about 20 or 30 years us gen-X'ers will be paying $300 and sobbing our eyes at Dave Matthews concerts and youngsters will be telling us how much they think he sucks. What do you think?[/b][/quote]Sure - Dave Matthew, U2 ... oh wait, that's already happening ;) . Hell, looks like it's begun to happen with Bon Jovi :p . Nostalgia is a powerful thing. I'm sure that will continue to be the case in the future. Gen-Xers won't be catered to quite so much, as they're a fairly small generation, and the capitalist gears will already be turning for Gen-Y (which is even larger than the baby boomer generation and thus represents more money to be made). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtrmac Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I met Bob Clearmountain around the time he was mixing the previous live McCartney album and he said that Paul was the corniest person he ever met. I still love the Beatles stuff and so do my kids though. We missed the shows but I might get the DVD to make up for it. Mac Bowne G-Clef Acoustics Ltd. Osaka, Japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techristian Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I saw the show. I always liked the Beatles stuff. The only real criticism I have is that Paul should stick with songs that he can sing TODAY. He tried singing real old ones from the 60's and nearly popped out his vocal cord. Dan http://musicinit.com/pvideos.html TEACHMEDRUMS.COM My Music Videos RED PILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by jonnyvommit: [b] in about 20 or 30 years us gen-X'ers will be paying $300 and sobbing our eyes at Dave Matthews [/b][/quote]I think crying at a Captain Beefhart show would be a tad more houmorus. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanner Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 so much evilness bein pumped here! i saw the original post and thought 'no one will reply to this guy's obviously baiting tone'- but i return and see all this ruckus good music will always rule bad music will always suck paul mc cartney has proven himself. if ya want controversy mbl, find a better subject for bait. sez me! s :cool: AMPSSOUNDBETTERLOUDER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. Ehl Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by mbl: [b]I have come to the conclusion that he is the most cheezy, embarassing figure in rock.[/b][/quote]you are an idiot. [b]has always been like this, but that John and George managed to keep him from ruining the Beatles.[/b] you are an idiot. [b] It's ironic that the two intelligent, witty and iconoclastic Beatles have gone and left us with the two who have none of those traits...[/b] idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. Ehl Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by mbl: [b]I think he was the "Wayne Newton" of the group, meaning he was much more into the phoney showbiz stuff than the others.[/b][/quote]still an idiot. [b]nostalgia. I wasn't there in the 60's, and I sick of them being re-gurgitated all the time. Stop living in the past. Today's music is much better anyway...[/b] id i ot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. Ehl Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by mbl: [b]Paul is the worst example of what I mean by these sixties phonies peddling their corporate nostalgia.[/b][/quote]backpeddle [b]He couldn't write a good song now to save his life. [/b] idiot. [b]some novelists.) He's like a punch-drunk former boxer trying to make a comeback. They need to get the hook out like in Vaudeville days...[/b] id-ee-ut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. Ehl Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by mbl: [b] His overweight, over-playing drummer kept speeding up, mainly because he is such a ham he doesn't pay attention to what the others are playing. [/b][/quote]if that was abe laborial jr. i dont have to hear it to be able to say again you sir are an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotown Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 There should be a new rule here. If you haven't submitted a couple of your songs for review, you are not allowed to piss on people music who's ass you couldn't even sctatch. [quote]It's ironic that the two intelligent, witty and iconoclastic Beatles have gone and left us with the two who have none of those traits... [/quote]The whole Paul vs John thing is so bogus. They were both great writers and they broght out the best in eachother. Paul worked his ass off, and has continued to be a viable artist for almost 40 years. He was every bit as talentd as his former songwriting partner. If you can't respect that, you must be a mortician. Or a lawyer. [quote]There is one handful of artists out there who are writing classic songs today. B. Joel and Elton were two of `em but even they have lost touch. Rob Thomas comes to mind and Alanis are still writing quality. Even the Boss has lost touch. [/quote]Elton Johnd doesn't write lyrics, so you can't compare him to Paul, but even musically the beatle gets the edge. The fact that you think that Rob Thomas and Alanis are good writers makes it very easy to discount your musical opinion as one of someone with no ear for it. I saw Matchbox 20 on Carson Daley tonight, and you know what he sang? Don't let me down, by the Beatles. The boy got lucky with the Santana thing and hasn't proven anything since. [quote]The Beatles were larger as a sum than individual parts. John and Georges post-Beatle stuff wasn't all that great either. [/quote]Georges post Beatle stuff was better than most of his Beatle stuff. And John wrote Imagine after the beatles. What have you done? [quote]I didn't think it sounded good, I didn't think the performances were inspired... sure it appeared to be an emotional, fun nostalgic trip for many of the people in the audience (and make sure to get them on camera so everyone will know, damnit), but it wasn't for me. [/quote]The sound on the TV special was bad, I don't know if it was a bad mix or what. I saw him live this May in Michigan and he was just awesome. I'll bet that you got laid while listening to your favorite music too, and I am certain that when you are 50 Justin Timberlakes voice will still bring a tear to your eye. [quote]He couldn't write a good song now to save his life. It's pathetic music, and it's hard to believe that the same guy wrote such great songs when he was younger. (Maybe he had a "ghost" writer like some novelists.) He's like a punch-drunk former boxer trying to make a comeback. They need to get the hook out like in Vaudeville days... [/quote]I this one I must concur with a previous post about you: [b]IDIOT![/b] [quote]I saw the show. I always liked the Beatles stuff. The only real criticism I have is that Paul should stick with songs that he can sing TODAY. He tried singing real old ones from the 60's and nearly popped out his vocal cord. [/quote]Refer to my post above. He sang every song when I saw him in the original key. He nailed every note. Maybe he was having a bad vocal night when they taped the special. That happens to singers, but they go and do the job anyway. Not great but he did the job. You probably wouldn't understand that. I am sure that you can't hit every note in that Shakira song every night on your karaoke machine either. Jotown:) "It's all good: Except when it's Great" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Studio Pet-Rock Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Yeah, um, to echo what others have said here: Let's here some of YOUR music, mbl! Come on. It'll be fun. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. Because after all, who are you? Obviously nobody. Today's music is much BETTER??!! WTF! If it was so hard for you to watch, why didn't you just tune out? When your 60, I suspect you will be "living in the past" to some extent as well. Try not to let it get you down when nobody pays attention to you - crankin' out your dated little ditties - in the corner of some dirty coffee house. :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I second the idiot comments. ID--EEEEEE---OT ! ! ! So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmadude Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 If mbl is in the music business or perhaps a bedroom 'artist-poser-type', he is going to go far in life with an attitude like that meant to cause sensationalism only unto and towards himself. What an ass! JS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Idgit idgit In two days, it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Let's see, one TV special is enough to judge Macca's career? Let's hope none of us get judged on that 4th grade essay we didn't spend any time on. :rolleyes: Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendrix Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Both "sides" have valid points here. Paul has written some of the most successful and critically acclaimed tunes in the universe and no one should belittle this fact. Its also true that his newer stuff doesnt hold a candle to his vintage material. Some of it is actually bad. However, I must say he does not take advantage of his fans. They are quite happy to pay the price and enjoy the concert- they are not feeling violated one bit.- So, I think its inappropriate for someone else to label them as victims. One thing about the current tour that impressed me is that the sound is very guitar driven - and the guitar has got some edgy rock tone happening. I would not have expected this from Paul. It brought some real energy to the set/songs. I give Paul a gold star for that. Check out some tunes here: http://www.garageband.com/artist/KenFava Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I have to defend MBL here. He has valid points about the blind worship given to sixties icons like McCartney. I've read a couple of other posts here where everybodys tripping over themselves to gush about the ABC special. What's wrong with MBL having the opposite opinion? He's obviously younger than most of us here, saying "he wasn't there in the sixties". I don't know if that's why he has this outlook or not. His point about guys like McCartney promoting themselves as "rock 'n roll rebels" through the sixties and seventies while being as corporate as Wayne Newton rings of truth. It still goes on today with these phoney "gansta" rappers, and is the ultimate tool for promoting music to a youthful audience. As for guys like T. Ehl, why are you wasting time with your silly posts of "idiot"? If you disagree let's see a better reply than that. Same with Hippie and the other posted replies that just dismiss him in juvenile one-word terms. Put your brains to work with a little more substance in your posts, please... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by mbl: [b]So far Felix is the only one who gets it...[/b][/quote]So what? You like what you like. You might not like mayo on your sandwich. That doesn't mean mayo sucks, it just means that you don't like it. I saw Paul's show live, and it was perhaps the best concert I've seen, but, I'm a Beatle fan. A Hoobastank fan would probably not have liked it (I like Hoobastank, BTW). And, BTW, Elton John is a lot more corny as far as I'm concerned in the pop world. At least McCartney doesn't wear duck costumes, or Louie XIV costumes, or whatever... And I'll add my vote to the (Ren voice) "YOU EEEEDIOT!!!" "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by jonnyvommit: [b]I think in about 20 or 30 years us gen-X'ers will be paying $300 and sobbing our eyes at Dave Matthews concerts and youngsters will be telling us how much they think he sucks. What do you think?[/b][/quote]Abso-frickin'-lutely! :D :D "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by jonnyvommit: [b]I think in about 20 or 30 years us gen-X'ers will be paying $300 and sobbing our eyes at Dave Matthews concerts and youngsters will be telling us how much they think he sucks. What do you think?[/b][/quote]We don't have to wait 30 years for someone to tell us that Dave Matthews sucks. He sucks now. ;) Not quite as much as Phil Collins, but he's working on it (BTW - Dave try an autotune on the violin, PLEASE.) :freak: :freak: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by gmd: [b]...Hippie and the other posted replies that just dismiss him in juvenile one-word terms. Put your brains to work with a little more substance in your posts, please... :D [/b][/quote]Your right, I apologize for any insults. Everyone has a right to their opinions. I'll argue a few points, with more substance. :) Not true, there was more 'camera time' on the band/stage. Check it for yourself. <$80.00 dollars for NOSE-BLEED seats? $300 for the floor? How much more money does a billionaire need?> Ticketmaster is more in control of the prices of tickets than Paul. You are right, Paul doesn't need the cash, I take that as proof he's dedicated to the music. Were you alive in the 70's when The Wings had multiple hits? -Jet, Junior's Farm, Let me Roll it, Band On The Run, Live & Let Die, Venus & Mars/Rock Show, etc... or the 80's? - Ebony & Ivory, Silly Love Songs, Coming Up, his work with Jacko, etc. (OK, it's not my 'cup of tea', but apparently *some* people liked these songs, as they were number 1 hits) ..and that's just the songs off the top of my head, there are many more. Actually, the Beatles were marketed as a pro-establishment act. Brian Epstien was a stickler for promoting a positive, clean image. The suits, bowing after each song, no drinking, smoking, swearing on stage...they were 'establishment' enough to play for the royal family, back in the day. They didn't have to resort to rebellious marketing tactics; The Beatles had the talent. A blanket statement, pigeon-holing the boomers. I'm a 'last year' boomer, I've never owned an SUV and normally I'm not into nostalgia, -just quality music. Also, insinuating the rebellious angle is cool? Uhh, that's a young man's game, carry on. I seriously doubt anyone will be 'shedding a nostalgic tear' for Dave Matthews in 30 years; he'll be a long forgotten 'blip on the musical radar' by then. Matt In two days, it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmd Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Hey "HIPPIE"-Excellent post! (That's what I was looking for, actually.) If you disagree with the guy, present your side of the arguement in a detailed, concise way. I think MBL was pretty articulate with his writing. He has some real insightful points, although I don't agree with all of what he says. It seems to me that he IS a Beatle fan, just not a McCartney fan. Maybe he's disappointed in the current McCartney not being true to his "sixties" roots. (The whole love/peace/anti-establishment thing.) Lighten up MBL, heroes are hard to find, and you won't find many true ones in rock music. The average "rock star" of today (or any other era) is so used to being catered to, slobbered over and worshipped that they have no sense of reality. Looking for your heroes in people like Paul McCartney, Bono, Dave Matthews, etc. is a recipe for disappointment... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty Planet Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 It's a bit beyond the pale to think Macca was milking 9/11. Skepticism is all well and good, but you can get quite lost in your cynicism, you know. Has it been pointed out that his dad was a fireman? Do you really think he's that soulless? I also really don't think there's much weight behind the "Macca's taking advantage of his fans" argument. It sounds to me like the naive idiocy behind the "spiritual books should free" argument. The simple fact is, it's energy for energy. I don't care how rich you are, you put something out, you get something back, that's the way it works. The responses of people who saw the show seem to show he priced the tickets rather well. And as to his being a shameless promoter, yup, that's for sure, but he's also a performer unashamedly in the tradition of British music hall. And what's wrong with that? Sure it's a bit old-fashioned, sure it's not the proto-Kurt Cobain School that Lennon seemed to belong to. So you're saying your favorite Beatle is John? This whol thread sounds like adults arguing with teenagers.... :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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