JFK

[Dan South]

It's hard to belive that it's been almost forty years.

[Jotown]

There is a new book out about him, I saw the author on Charlie Rose. JFK was in pain most of his adult life. Pretty amazing stuff. So where were you 39 years ago?

[tnb]

Originally posted by Jotown: [quote] So where were you 39 years ago?[/quote]I would have been sitting in my high chair drooling.

[Wow]

I was a nasty thought in the back of my dad's head. :freak:

[Jotown]

I was in the second grade at St. Stanislaus elemetary school in Detroit. The nun's made us kneel and pray for the president. It was the first time I saw a nun cry.

[Dan South]

My parents didn't tell me what was going on right away, but I noticed grave looks and whispers when my mom talked with the neighbors. I remember watching the funeral, possibly because I remember seeing little JFK, Jr. on TV. He and I were born in the same year. Days later, my Dad tried to explain who Jack Ruby was, but the situation was too complicated for my three-year-old brain to comprehend.

[Nawor]

So... who DID kill JFK??? ;)

[Tedster]

I was in first grade at Stewart Tuckahoe Elementary School in Arlington, VA. My father had died just a few months before...also a homicide. Then, they were talking around the school that the President had been shot...which is ambiguous, shot and killed? Shot and wounded? No one seemed to know. And I remember getting off the school bus, walking home, and my Mom was standing by the side of the street to meet me, probably crying, and we all went in and watched TV. And there was nothing on TV but coverage of the assassination. No commercials. That was in the day that there were mainly only three TV stations, maybe four, and they used to sign off at midnight. But not then. Three days of continuous, no-commercial coverage. And it seems like I was watching the TV on a morning a couple of days later, watching them lead this Lee Harvey Oswald fellow out into a parking garage, and right there on live TV, heard the shots and saw him double over. And of course the questions remain. Who really did it and why? Was it Oswald? Did Ruby kill Oswald to shut him up? Ruby lived for years after that before succumbing to cancer, but I don't know that they ever got any answers out of him. All this stuff about multiple gunmen, grassy knolls and conspiracies...I believe there are people that know the truth, but, either no one believes them, or they're not talking.

[jeffbayson]

My parents hadn't even met yet. So I can't contribute much to this discussion. I just thought my avatar belonged here.

[Tedster]

[quote]Originally posted by eljefe: [b]My parents hadn't even met yet. So I can't contribute much to this discussion. I just thought my avatar belonged here.[/b][/quote]And right you are. But, I'm sure you can relate. An appropriate question for you would be "Where were you when the Challenger blew up?"...or "The Murrah building in Oklahoma City?" or, of course, more recently "Where were you on Sept. 11, 2001?" The effects were basically the same. The world seemed to stop for many...in that these were tragedies that touched most of us, at least Americans. And for those who had experienced personal tragedy, the national ones seemed to mirror their personal loss.

[Bob Keelan]

I was a third-grader at Sacred Heart grammar school in Trenton, NJ. We had heard that he was shot but it wasn't until I got off the school bus and my mom was waiting for me in the car bawling like a baby that I knew he was dead. Other than that, alot of what Ted said. The ONLY thing to do for the next 3 days was to watch the coverage on TV. When we got home from church that Sunday my dad told us that he saw Oswald being shot on TV. When you're 8 years old your parents are supposed to have ALL of the answers. It was a bit scary to realize for the first time that they didn't always have an answer. I'll be a senile 98 year-old and still be able to tell you about that weekend. bob

[Dan South]

I don't know if the world "stopped" per se. More like it changed suddenly, shockingly, and permanently. Hmm, I wonder whether anyone on this forum remembers Pearl Harbor. That used to be the BIG EVENT that everyone remembered. Hey, eljefe! Cool! Is that like elbeje? ;)

[jeffbayson]

[quote]Originally posted by Tedster the Pilgrim: And right you are. But, I'm sure you can relate. An appropriate question for you would be "Where were you when the Challenger blew up?"...or "The Murrah building in Oklahoma City?" or, of course, more recently "Where were you on Sept. 11, 2001?" The effects were basically the same. The world seemed to stop for many...in that these were tragedies that touched most of us, at least Americans. And for those who had experienced personal tragedy, the national ones seemed to mirror their personal loss.[/quote]Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I live within clear sight of the WTC - it literally rained ash in my neighborhood - so you can imagine what 9-11 was like for me. [quote] I don't know if the world "stopped" per se. More like it changed suddenly, shockingly, and permanently. [/quote]Let's only hope the changes turns out for the best in the wake of our most recent national tragedy.

[Hippie]

I was about a year old in Nov. 63 so I don't remember it. However, it amazes me how many people do remember, with such detail, what they were doing when they heard the news. JFK's 'Rice University' speech ('We choose to go to the moon...') is probably one of my all time favorite speeches, right up there with the Gettysburg address. I can't think of any presidents that have made plans for huge projects that will not 'pay off' during their presidency. JFK was a real visionary, IMO. Matt

[Joachim P. Dyndale]

I'm only 21 years old, so... I think that the movie JFK might actually be very near the truth. The classified documents are supposed to be released close to 2050, right? I'll bet they will say this when that day comes: "I'm sorry, but we seem to have lost them..." September 11th 2001... Well, I had just gotten the pizza out of the oven and gone to the tv-room at my school to watch some tv. There were a couple of people sitting there watching BBC. I thought "Oh, give me a break! Please find something better to watch.". Then I saw the WTC on the screen, with lots of smoke. It was live, right after the first plane had crashed. My jaw dropped. I was stunned. It couldn't be real! So I spent the rest of the afternoon/evening watching BBC and saw the second plane crash and then the two towers collapsing etc. I was in shock,and I'm just a Norwegian all the way over here in Scandinavia. I couldn't begin to imagine what it was like for the citizens of New York City, Washington D.C., not really for the rest of the American population either. I've lived in the U.S. for two years when I was a kid, so I felt more involved than most Norwegians i guess. I'd been to New York City right about one year earlier. I thought about being by the WTC with a friend of mine, taking pictures, having a good time. The WTC, gone! Crazy. Then the U.S. government went crazy. Bush snapped. He just went mad. I sort of understand, but I don't think there's any excuse for his actions after that.

[Dan South]

[quote]Originally posted by JoachimDyndale: [b]I'm only 21 years old, so... I think that the movie JFK might actually be very near the truth.[/b][/quote]Unfortunately, the tragedy of Oliver Stone is that people actually believe him. Joachim, I believe that there's more to the story than we've been told, but please, don't take Oliver Stone seriously. That's like taking WWF wrestling seriously. (HINT: It's only entertainment.)

[Wow]

[quote]Then the U.S. government went crazy. Bush snapped. He just went mad. I sort of understand, but I don't think there's any excuse for his actions after that. [/quote]Get use to it, the war just started. and its not a liberal , conservative thing.

[henryrobinett]

I was 6 years old and I was in the 2nd grade. Or was it the 1st? It was morning in California. I was with my class and we were waiting to enter the Book Mobile when a woman, who was apparently a neighbor, came overto tell our teacher something. Our teacher suddenly burst in to tears. The children were nervously laughing while rumors were passed down the line about overhearing that the President had been shot. We were led back to the class room without going into the Book Mobile. The prinicpal soon came into the classroom to tell us what had happened and our parents were being notified to take us home. I spent the rest of the day watching TV about it with my Mom and Doris the cleaning lady. I too saw Lee Harvey shot and killed live on TV. It was an angle I've only seen once or twice since. For some inexplicable reason that day is burned into my soul. I can even smell the starch Doris was using as she ironed the clothes.

[whitefang]

I was in the seventh grade. Didn't hear about it until after school. And for many months afterward, we all heard about Oswald's service record and that he had the lowest scores on marksmanship in his outfit. And that the rifle he used was the most innaccurate ever made. And yet, thirty years later, he was being referred to as an EXPERT marksman, and the only person involved. And all without provocation on the subject. Made me wonder... Coincidentally, it is also the third anniversary of my Mother's death. At her passing, I mused that she always WAS a JFK supporter! Whitefang

[miroslav]

Funny...as I'm reading this thread, I'm also watching trhe movie JFK with Kevin Costner. I don't know if Oliver Stone was just providing entertainment...many of the facts in the mnovie are...well, facts...Stone didn't just make them up. The movie is quite good though...even from an entertainment perspective...but I find much of it very possible and believable.

[henryrobinett]

The movie does actually present a lot of facts. It also provides plenty of supposition. I think everyone should check out Jim Marrs book on JFK. I don't recall the title just now and can't find it in my bookcase. He presents the various theories and facts in a straight forward manner, letting the reader decide. I great read IMHO.

[Wow]

I have no proof what so ever but JFK was killed by more than one man. Remember "back and to the left" . I saw the mcgruder(sp) tapes(as did everyone) and his head plainly goes BACKWARDS when it was hit. Was it the first shot? I dont know but there was more than one person. Why do you think Oswald was killed so soon after.

[whitefang]

Yes, it did seem from all the film I've witnessed over time that several people were looking in the opposite direction of where Oswald was supposed to have been. And I saw a filmed interview with a man who was standing towards the front of the car that he heard a bullet zing from over his left shoulder. He was in the army at the time, home on leave, and was surely familiar with the sound. I'm not trying to settle anything here, just passing info. I often wonder if all the truth of it will come out in my lifetime... Whitefang

[Wow]

There were a lot of people that came foward and said that they heard the shot from the front. Everyone looks to the front left of the car right when his head snaps back, you could not sinc that with Pro Tools any better today if you tried. Does this make any since at all. I'm drunk. :D

[Bob Keelan]

I have a tape of the NBC "as it happened" report. I find it curious that within 2 hours they had Oswald's picture up on the screen. I mean, how long did it take to catch the Maryland sniper? bob

[Jazzman]

I was 13 yrs old when JFK was shot. There was a special on TV this morning that showed one of the Kennedys visiting the couple of the natives that saved JFK's life in the Pacific when PT109 was broadsided. JFK told the people that saved him that he would be back some day. Well he never did, but one of the kennedys did and met both men after all of these years.......they broke down and cried, I couldn't watch it anymore. In the same newscast a salvaging ship found PT109 at 1300 feet at the bottom of the sea. They saw the torpedeo tube extended out from the silt. What a site that was. I too was in a Catholic in grade school called "Sacred Heart in Pittsburgh Pa when JFK was shot. I was in a department store getting something for my wife at lunchtime in Fort Wayne Indiana when I was looking at a TV set in the store and saw the explosion of the Challanger for the first time. I was shocked and thought it was a test of some sort that went bad, then I heard the newscaster say that it appears that there is a problem with the space shuttle. Really sad to see this on TV with the world watching too. 911 will always be in my mind....I couldn't stop the tears from flowing......I couldn't believe after all of the help we give to people overseas that someone did this to us and now it is payback time. I was at work in Flint MI overseeing a construction project as manager of a 14 bay building addition at a General Motors truck facility. This..... I will never forget or forgive. We are not the only ones that have these tragic events. I just wish it would just stop. It will take a space invasion to link us all together as friends to save mankind. I can't wait for that day to happen. Maybe some good will come out of it. What's next....... Jazzman :cool:

[michael saulnier]

My birthday is November 22. I was 4 when JFK was shot, too young to appreciate much accept everyone was sad, and my birthday party was cancelled. I do clearly remember the funeral, Jon-Jon, and all that. I've always felt a little "connected" to JFK's death, and followed many of the theories... I don't think the TRUTH will EVER be known. Soon, everyone who DOES know will be dead. And anyone making a deathbed confession will not be believed. It's mythology now. The TRUTH is long gone. On the subject of "where were you moments" my FIRST adult one was John Lennon's murder. I heard the rumor he was shot from a friend, turned on the radio in my dorm room... and waited like everyone for updates. Sad. Unfortunately I have a bad feeling that we may see WORSE than even 9/11... Is it likely that we will ALWAYS be able to keep the wacko's from doing something REALLY horrible... well, I don't see how we will stop every attempt. Always. Forever. Sad. guitplayer

[Wow]

[quote] I have a tape of the NBC "as it happened" report. I find it curious that within 2 hours they had Oswald's picture up on the screen [/quote]Two hours back for the news was like 4 days now.Although I don't think the conspiracy was that big, unless someone sent the pic in . Where did the pic first appear(NBC,ABC), they should have someone who knows where it came from. They are probably missing just like all of the other shit in this case.