hangee_77 Posted September 21, 2002 Posted September 21, 2002 I am planning to buy an analog synth and what come up in my mind right now are the Access VirusB, Nord Lead2, & Korg MS2000. Do you guys have any suggestion? Thanks. Hanjaya C.
Pim Posted September 21, 2002 Posted September 21, 2002 These are no analogues... Go to the shop and just listen. Take your time, do not decide in a few hours. Make some programs yourself on these synths and see if they give you what you expect. If you don't understand a function, ask the salesguy or ask for the manual. Remember: synths are supposed to be fun! My Music I always wondered what happened after the fade out?
Superbobus Posted September 21, 2002 Posted September 21, 2002 These are no analogues... That's right, they're called VAs or virtual analogues, using digital techniques (physical modeling?) to get that analogue sound. Remember that analogue or not, it's the sound that has to turn you on. The only new analogues, AFAIK, are Andromeda and Voyager. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life.
burningbusch Posted September 21, 2002 Posted September 21, 2002 Acutally, there are quite a number of new analogs available. Here's a sampling. There are probably an equal number that I forgot. Studio Electronics - ATC, SE-1, Omega8 (my favorite) Future Retro - FR 777 Macbeth Systems - M3X Jomox - SunSyn and others Synthesizer.com - Modular Analogs Technosaurus - Inexpensive Modulars EMS - the VCS3 and others Analogue Systems - Modulars Dave Smith Instruments - Evolver...coming soon Busch.
Pim Posted September 21, 2002 Posted September 21, 2002 Don't forget Andy... Alesis Andromeda My Music I always wondered what happened after the fade out?
synthetic Posted September 22, 2002 Posted September 22, 2002 If you're gonna include Evolver as an analog synth then maybe you should include the Waldorf Q+ as well: Waldorf Q+ Both have DCOs/and analog filters. The Q+ web page doesn't say anything about VCAs, does the sound get filtered analog then converted back to digital for envelopes? That seems a bit silly. Maybe the rule should be if two out of three of the Osc, Filter and Amp are analog then you can call it an analog synth. Would it really be so expensive for Roland to ship a Super Jupiter with programmer in 2003? More than the $2k they're getting on eBay these days?
burningbusch Posted September 22, 2002 Posted September 22, 2002 I disagree on the Q+. I believe it is an analog modeled synth (VA) with analog filters only. An analog oscillator that's controlled digitally is a very different technology from one that's modeled via software. The Q+ is a hybrid to be sure and fairly unique in that regard. Busch.
synthetic Posted September 22, 2002 Posted September 22, 2002 I just looked at the Evolver site and saw that it has analog and digital oscilattors. I'm still not sure what you would call a DCO synth. I remember when wavetable synths were called digital in the 80s (DW-8000, PPG Wave/Microwave, etc.) but these days people like to call them analog. I guess it's all about marketing, whatever's hot at the time.
Superbobus Posted September 22, 2002 Posted September 22, 2002 Apparently I have to learn something about the new analogs. http://www.bobwijnen.nl Hipness is not a state of mind, it's a fact of life.
aeon Posted September 22, 2002 Posted September 22, 2002 synthetic said: I just looked at the Evolver site and saw that it has analog and digital oscilattors. I'm still not sure what you would call a DCO synth. I remember when wavetable synths were called digital in the 80s (DW-8000, PPG Wave/Microwave, etc.) but these days people like to call them analog. I guess it's all about marketing, whatever's hot at the time. Huh? A DCO is analog, so a synth with an analog signal path with DCOs is an analog synth. Yes, the Evolver has analog (probably DCO) and digital oscs. It has analog and digital filters. It is truy a hybrid synth. As it concerns wavetable synths like the DW-8000, PPG Wave 2.x, ESQ-1, K3, etc., those are hybrids in that the oscs are digital...no one that I know of calls those synths analog. Marketing aside, you call it what it is. MiniMoog = analog Q+ = hybrid Nord Modular = digital cheers, aeon Go tell someone you love that you love them.
Max Ventura Posted September 22, 2002 Posted September 22, 2002 Aeon, not exactly. The middle '80s wave of hybrid synths such as the PPG, the DW8000, the last JX Rolands, were truly hybrids, but are commonly regarded as belonging to "that" analog world of yesteryear instead of "this" world of today digital machines. You may call them the "mutants" among analogs, but after 1986, "digital" synths were jumped straight to PCM engines WITH digital filters and envelopes, whereas those above employed digitally-produced table of waveforms but then passed them thru analog filters and envelopes. Today's physical-modeling (or virtual-analog in particular) synths can be defined as "digital" only in the broad sense of the world, but we dealers define them just as "virtual analog", a category of their own, whereas we call "digital" synths only those that employ classic PCM engines or, a few exceptions, such as the Waldorf Microwave XT that use a peculiar variant of the PCM engine and employs analog circuitry at some stages, thus falling back into the "hybrid" category. Max Ventura, Italy.
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