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Republicans. Democrats. Makes no difference to me. Both parties are full of self centered individuals who are out for power and glory. Sadly, to have a chance in a race means making deals and raising money from people who expect something in return. That "something" always seems to involv government contracts that push us further into debt. Basic Democratic or Republican ideas are secondary. They cannot even pass a bill anymore without half a dozen special interrest attachments. Democrats are supposed to be libral but we have never had more minorities in positions of power within the White House. Republicons are supposed to be fiscally concertive but we have never had more spending as we do now. Robert

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Yeah Wrave, I saw that piece also. "Now", with Bill Moyers is the most informative hour of televisioin that you will see in any given week. There was also a segment about a conservative think tank that is in an ongoing legal battle with the Bush administration regarding Cheney's energy summit. Seems they can't understand why the Bush camp thinks that they are above the law. And these are conservative replublcans mind you.

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[quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]Real interesting how the volume starts to get shrill when the libereral community finds an opening. Usually instead of a dialogue we get name calling.[/b][/quote]Name calling? You mean like "Bubba" or "Slick Willie?" That kind of name calling? Or "that bitch Hillary?" Is that the kind of name calling you're talking about? I don't hear Democrats calling Bush names. "Coke Boy." "War Monger." "Dumb Ass." Do you hear these kinds of names? I don't. Name calling is a Republican sport. As for "shrill" dialog, that's the legacy of two men, Gingrich and Limbaugh. Today there are tons of Limbaugh clones propagating the politics of character assassination. Clinton was never attacked for not doing a good job. It was always personal. Some supposed deal with his personal finances that eight years of close scrutiny failed to uncover. Some quirk in his love life. Venom. Hatred. Anyone who runs an issues campaign these days is running at a disadvantage. You have to perfect the fine art of making your opponent look unpatriotic if you want to get ahead in the political today's political climate. - You voted against the war in Iraq! - You failed to provide evidence that a war was warranted. (Which one makes a better sound bite?) - You opposed the Homeland Security bill! - No, I opposed the pork that was added to the bill. (Which one plays better on the O'Reilly factor?)

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[quote] That's a very presumptuous statement, to assume what others would be thinking and saying - and besides, it ignores the fact that it's not just visiting aliens, but residents and citizens of the US that this is happening to. Ethnic and religious profiling cannot be deemed acceptable just because you don't happen to fit the profile. [/quote]Profiling is a evil that we must use. Up until the 90's there was no problem with this(pc crap). Everybody thought the sniper was going to be a 20 - 40 year old white guy, I did not get offended by this, its just a fact. If we dont look at the fact that the very people that are trying to kill us all have the same thing in common then we are just asking for it to happen again. JOTOWN [quote]There was also a segment about a conservative think tank that is in an ongoing legal battle with the Bush administration regarding Cheney's energy summit. Seems they can't understand why the Bush camp thinks that they are above the law [/quote]The White house does not have to reveal everything they do to the public. Democrats turned this into something its not. So what, he met with the people from Enron, there were 20 other energy companies there also. You are trying to make an argument out of something that is not there. Enron went out of business AFTER the White House said they would not help them. The very guy that made the call to the W.H. and asked for help(on behalf of Enron) worked in the clinton administration, what does that tell you?
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[quote] I don't hear Democrats calling Bush names. "Coke Boy." "War Monger." "Dumb Ass." Do you hear these kinds of names? I don't. Name calling is a Republican sport. [/quote]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LOLOLOLOLOLOLO HAHAHAHAHA YOU ARE KILLING ME, did you see Hitlary on Hardball last night, for an hour she chewed Bush's ass and said everything in the book. [quote] As for "shrill" dialog, that's the legacy of two men, Gingrich and Limbaugh [/quote]I suppose that daschile compairing the Rush listeners to the talaban is just good politics?
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[quote]Originally posted by Rabid: [b]Republicans. Democrats. Makes no difference to me. Both parties are full of self centered individuals who are out for power and glory. Sadly, to have a chance in a race means making deals and raising money from people who expect something in return. That "something" always seems to involv government contracts that push us further into debt. Basic Democratic or Republican ideas are secondary. They cannot even pass a bill anymore without half a dozen special interrest attachments. Democrats are supposed to be libral but we have never had more minorities in positions of power within the White House. Republicons are supposed to be fiscally concertive but we have never had more spending as we do now. Robert[/b][/quote]You're so right Robert. I'm sick as hell of this whole game. That whole conservate-liberal, Republican-Democrat mind-set has become a way to [b]distract[/b] us from what is really going on. I expect my government to work for ME, not vice versa. Is that not the way it's supposed to be in a Democracy? The government is supposed to work for the people. I don't see that happening...... which means something is very, very, wrong.
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JOTOWN quote: -------------------------------------------------- There was also a segment about a conservative think tank that is in an ongoing legal battle with the Bush administration regarding Cheney's energy summit. Seems they can't understand why the Bush camp thinks that they are above the law -------------------------------------------------- CM says: The White house does not have to reveal everything they do to the public. Democrats turned this into something its not. So what, he met with the people from Enron, there were 20 other energy companies there also. You are trying to make an argument out of something that is not there. Enron went out of business AFTER the White House said they would not help them. The very guy that made the call to the W.H. and asked for help(on behalf of Enron) worked in the clinton administration, what does that tell you? Sorry CM, but in this case they do. And you should read the article. It is a [b]Conservative Republican[/b] group that is taking the Bush administration to task here. Not so called whacked out liberals. Check your facts before you attack.

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[quote] Sorry CM, but in this case they do. And you should read the article. It is a Conservatice Republican group that is taking the Bush administration to task here. Not so called whacked out liberals. [/quote]Is this the same guy who filed 500 law suits against Clinton in a 8 year span?
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[quote]Originally posted by C.M.: [b]posted by wewus [quote] Is that not the way it's supposed to be in a Democracy? [/quote]We are not a democracy , we are a republic. The talaban was a democracy(majority rule).[/b][/quote]Majority rule? What, are you living in some kind of Information Free Zone or something? First of all, Afghanistan is a culturally diverse country. There really isn't a majority in the country. It's not even so much a country as a collection of tribal provinces. Secondly, the Taliban started in Pakistan. It was a cult of militant fundamentalist students. The Pakistani Secret Police (SSI) saw the Taliban as a weapon that they could unleash on their neighbor, Afghanistan, so they trained the Taliban and gave them money and weapons and sent them across the border. The Taliban gained political power through bullying and intimidation in a war torn country with, as noted above, no strong central government. The Taliban was in no way, shape, or form a democracy. It was a totalitarian dictatorship, an example of elitism. The Taliban picked up supporters in Afghanistan - some willing, but mostly just people trying to avoid trouble - but the original leadership was made up of foreign nationals. If a small faction of Mexican terrorists took over the United States and implemented a totalitarian dictatorship, would you call that a "democracy," C.M? I marvel at your logic.

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[quote]Originally posted by Dogfur: [/quote]God help us all if we should ask you for spacifics. We would not want that.[/qb][/QUOTE]For those of you interested in specific reporting of money at the expense of human rights being an ignored but driving factor in the Bush administration's current increase of hostilities worldwide, as well as supression of non-affluent citizens domestically - VP Cheney's ties: http://www.icij.org/dtaweb/icij_bow.asp?Section=Chapter&ChapNum=2&Page=2 http://www.sfbg.com/36/31/cover_soldiersoffortune.html Bush I's most obvious defense spending tie, The Carlyle Group: http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html Here's a good page showing the incestuous relationship to Bush I's Carlyle Group and several of the corporations recently in need of Govt' help to protect illegally siphoned money from employees and shareholders. http://www.hereinreality.com/news/axis.html Man, this just scratches the surface, this stuff goes on and on... Let's not pretend it doesn't happen, OK? We'll all be better off in the long run with some reality in the discussion. Best, Dogfur[/QB][/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is saying the Bush family is not tied to big business and in many cases may acutally benefit from increased defense spending. But the implicationt that they're promoting war to fatten their bank accounts is pretty disgusting. Next they'll be telling us that Ford and GM bank rolled the bombing of Pearl Harbor to capture the American auto market. It's easy to make those assumptions when we forget about tragedies like the World Trade Center, Beriut, Yemen, the bombing of embassies in Africa, and the countless civilian bombings in Israel. Rob

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[quote] Do you mean what liberties have you or I personally lost in the last couple of years? If that is what you mean, I would say none -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for a honest answer. finally. [/quote]So I take it you in favor of or at least ambivalent towards anyone else's civil rights being violated as long as yours are protected. I would then ask you why anyone else should care when your civil rights are violated? [quote] quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Americans, foreign nationals, resident aliens and permanent residents or middle eastern descent have been annonymously detain (arrested) and held (imprisioned) without charges. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I remember correctly, this is the way the 9-11 hijackers got into the country(aliens), if the gov. had not detained these people then you would say that they are not doing anything to protect us. [/quote]I believe all or most of the 9-11 terrorists entered the country illegally. I am talking about the detention of legal aliens, citizens and permanent residents. Surely you can understand that there is a difference. By the same token, should Americans living (expatriat) or travelling abroad be subject to random detention, search and seizure or harrassment? This does happen, but when it does we the State Dept and the US press tend to get involved and make a lot of noise about the unfair or abusive treatment of Americans. [quote] quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Three medical students have had their residences canceled at a Florida hospital because (encouraged by the Bush administration) a nosey old lady said she heard them planning to bomb a building. Turns out they were talking about bringing a car down from Chicago to Florida. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont remember the Prez. doing anything with this. The FBI checked these guys out because they were fuckin with a lady at lunch. The media ran with this story and blew it up big time. How is this losing our freedoms? [/quote]Rumsfield has advocated a citizen's network and an FBI tip line to assist people with spying on their neighbors. This women just took him at his word. The 3 medical students were not messing with this lady. They noticed her staring at them. She was evesdropping on their private conversation in a diner. Had they not looked like Muslims she probably would not have noticed them. She associated Muslim/Arabs with terrorists, heard a few fragments of conversation (the phrase "bring it down") and assumed they were going to blow up a building. The FBI detained them for a couple of days and then released them. The Hospital cancelled their residences because of bad PR. But I guess as long at this doesn't happen to you ..... no harm no foul. [quote] First they came for the socialists, And I did not speak out - Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, And I did not speak out - Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, And I did not speak out - Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - And there was no one left To speak for me. -- attributed to Pastor Martin Niemoller who spent time in a Nazi concentration camp --- [/quote]
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[quote]Originally posted by robmix: I don't think anyone is saying the Bush family is not tied to big business and in many cases may acutally benefit from increased defense spending. But the implicationt that they're promoting war to fatten their bank accounts is pretty disgusting. Next they'll be telling us that Ford and GM bank rolled the bombing of Pearl Harbor to capture the American auto market. It's easy to make those assumptions when we forget about tragedies like the World Trade Center, Beriut, Yemen, the bombing of embassies in Africa, and the countless civilian bombings in Israel. Rob[/QB][/quote]I agree that the implication of the current administration's war-mongering for profit is disgusting, but well-earned and widely documented ( if not reported ). To not question the alterior motives and designs of the current ( or previous )administration in light of these facts would be simply foolish, and irresponsible as a citizen. I have not forgotten about the tragedies you have listed - I do recognize that Americans and our national interests are threatened and should be defended. I do question the policies that brought on the horrible events that you listed.
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You said it Dogfur :thu: And of course the only responses you'll get arguing with you will be more Democrat vs. Republican nonsense which only serves to distract from the real issues at hand. IMO this 'good cop vs. bad cop' dichotomy is being used to disctract the masses into a stupor, or just get them to give up on politics completely and become apathetic. The truth is the Dems and Repubs are both in the pockets of Big Money. The system needs to be changed.
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I have seen posted "as long as your rights arn't put apon" . I am not saying that anybody's rights should be violated BUT you must remember we are at war at it is not pretty. Some of the american citizens that are being detained were not citizens until a month ago, a year ago, and so on. They have taken advantage of our system and gotton citizenship because our INS sux. [quote] Americans, foreign nationals, resident aliens and permanent residents or middle eastern descent have been annonymously detain (arrested) and held (imprisioned) without charges. [/quote]Who? [quote] By the same token, should Americans living (expatriat) or travelling abroad be subject to random detention, search and seizure or harrassment? [/quote]this does happen. [quote] And of course the only responses you'll get arguing with you will be more Democrat vs. Republican nonsense which only serves to distract from the real issues at hand. [/quote]Why does this apply to me and you guys kick the shit out of YOUR very own Prez. EVERY chance you get.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by C.M.:Why does this apply to me and you guys kick the shit out of YOUR very own Prez. EVERY chance you get.[/QB You, as am I, are simply a member of an online forum with opinions that aren't always popular amongst its members. You obviously care enough and are articulate enough to enter the discussion. The President holds an office of unparalleled power that was not rightfully obtained. He requires both dis-information and suppression of information to maintain his illegitimate strength in the office. Alot of people rest comfortably in either ignorance or denial of what is going on both at home and abroad - I feel it my duty to at least expose those who would listen to the less popular facts surrounding his occupation of the White House, as well his cronies actions. It is in these facts you may make your own judgement as to any agenda that may or may not be in place. At least you can ponder it, alot of folks are too complacent to bother with a discussion of it.
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