attn: moderator/disappearing topic threads?

[george costanza]

Lately a posted topic "Occidental blank post" keeps disappearing.

It's certainly "OT" but considering the amount of goofin'n'jokin' that goes on overall, I wonder why this one seems to be targeted (if it is) for removal...?

Can't really think of anything offensive about it.

 

More info:

when searched (&found) the archives show this posted 8-17-02 (by me) ut clicking on that record brings up "I need help" by 1stBass ?!

 

also a previous version of the same named topic posted 8-14 by d shows up onsearch but when called up yields the message "does not exist" ?!

[Dave Bryce]

Yeah, George - I took 'em off.

 

I would really prefer not to have the "goofin' 'n 'jokin'" type threads done here. I politely asked you guys to stop in the accidental meaningful post thread (which resulted in Wewus pouting at me up in SSS), and I've just deleted the two that I saw afterwards. They both happened to be on that same subject. Nothing personal at all...I was way into your Beatles thread, as you saw. I prefer not to participate in the the OT posts in SSS, and I reserve the right to request that they not happen here.

 

Anderton's forum is clearly the most informal and liberal of all of the forums - it's the whole open mic thing. Is it really a problem to keep those posts up there?

 

I'd really appreciate it...

 

Thanks for understanding,

 

dB

 

P.S. - as always, I respect the will of the forum over my own wishes. If you guys are okay with the OT posts, please say so...

[Steve LeBlanc]

Well yeah I agree with you Dave...

 

As long as we can keep our Basketball and Football threads!!

[Dave Bryce]

Sports are on topic here - it's in the description of the forum...

 

...at least, the football is...

 

dB

[Slowly]

Dave, you`re the Boss here and I think the Keyboard Corner is the best bulletin board I could find. But we do have the basketball and football threads that do pop up from time to time. I don`t have much to say at either of those. I come here to read about keyboards and keyboard related items only. But sometimes I like to talk about my car, wife, kids, online handles, etc. Give us a little freedom, but when you as Moderator say "That`s enough", we should just tuck it in and knock it off. Kcbass

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by Kcbass:

I come here to read about keyboards and keyboard related items only. But sometimes I like to talk about my car, wife, kids, online handles, etc.

I have no problem with those threads. By and large we're friends here, and it seems to me that it should be okay for us to share aspects of our lives if we want to. The ones that I am trying to avoid are the free-form word-play ones, like "Occidental blank post". I just don't see the point...

 

...I dunno, maybe I'm just short-sighted control freak interfering with people's creativity...

 

dB

[Rod S]

I think there's a difference between OT threads and non-sense threads.

 

The nonsense threads just get annoying, and seem to spin out of control pretty quickly. Suddenly every goof ball wants to top of the previous one.

 

We've had plenty of OT threads for a while, but they stay in check, and usually don't get out of hand. Can't say about the rest.. hence SOS... which IMHO (I say again IMHO), kind of got out of hand.

[Valkyrie Sound]

THANK YOU DAVE!

 

Now... can we give a hint to Craig.....?

 

Valky

[Bartok]

Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

...I dunno, maybe I'm just short-sighted control freak interfering with people's creativity...

 

dB

you could always get help from that "creative options" guy... what's his name? I simply forgot

[soapbox]

I'm fine with OT threads; I've certainly started my share of them. I think that our relationships have grown enough here that we want to share more than just music.

 

At the same time, I'm comfortable with the choices that Dave is making. As moderator, it's his job to comb through every thread and every post. Why not let him set some mild parameters on what he has to read?

 

Also, as pointed out above, Craig Anderton has provided a venue for silly posts at Sound, Studio, and Stage . People who want to post that way already have a place to go at this site, so while freedoms are being directed, they're not being denied.

 

This is a topic specific forum. While it's good to allow some OT discussion for reasons given above, I've also read many posts voicing the desire that OT threads shouldn't crowd out the reason we came to this site in the first place: to discuss music.

 

IMHO, Dave has found a great approach to this dilemma. This post is my long-winded thumbs up!

[Wewus432]

Dave, I wasn't pouting, I just thought you were kind of dismissive in your approach. Please, Thank You, whatever. It's your forum. We've had this discussion multiple times in the SSS and I think most people realize by now that the Off-Topic and On-Topic feed on and bleed into each other, and that's why the SSS is so popular. So if you've got any piano questions come up there and find me, I won't annoy you any more.

[Rick K.]

Good call, Dave! I agree with you and trust your judgement. When I feel like screwing around or getting into senseless discussion, I go up there. When I seek more focused discussion, I come down here. Thanks for keeping it relatively focussed.....

 

Rick

[Tusker]

Originally posted by Bartok:

Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

...I dunno, maybe I'm just short-sighted control freak interfering with people's creativity...

 

dB

you could always get help from that "creative options" guy... what's his name? I simply forgot

ROFL! Now see what you made me do to my coffee.

 

Dave, I admire your choices. This place has a different vibe than SSS. They are both valid and both different. Different is good in my humble opinion.

 

Jerry

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by TheWewus:

Dave, I wasn't pouting, I just thought you were kind of dismissive in your approach.

I wasn't trying to be, We...I just didn't want to get into it. I said, (IIRC) Stop. Please. I really thought that was to the point. I didn't mean to be dismissive. I just didn't want to get into a debate.

 

...and c'mon, you were pouting a little...what did you say - something like "you were called in front of the class"? Pout-free? Hmmmm?

 

It's your forum. We've had this discussion multiple times in the SSS and I think most people realize by now that the Off-Topic and On-Topic feed on and bleed into each other, and that's why the SSS is so popular.

 

...and why SSS is SSS, and this is the Keyboard Corner. Craig's forum description says open mic. It's supposed to be like that up there. Down here, it's just a bit different, that's all. It's why we have multiple forums in the first place, yes?

 

Secondly, nonsense posts are different than OT posts. We have plently of OT posts down here. As I said earlier, I don't have a problem with them - we're friends here, and we sometimes like to talk about what's going on in the world, or share something that's happened in our lives with each other. I am quite happy to have that happen here.

 

I'd also like to add that as someone who was a member back when it was on AOL in the mid-90's, I can safely say that SSS was pretty darn popular before the nonsense posts started...

 

So if you've got any piano questions come up there and find me, I won't annoy you any more.

Naaaah - you're not pouting...

 

You're more than welcome to hang out down here, Wewus. Your insights into software have been a welcome addition to the forum as has your piano expertise. However, if you're that bummed that you don't want to hang because I prefer not to have nonsense posts in the Keyboard forum (when a perfectly suitable venue is literally one click away), I guess I understand...I am truly sorry that you feel that way, though...

 

dB

[meccajay]

Dave Rules!!!!! And...

 

Dave's rules!!!

[Wewus432]

Just Yakking Dave: Things are cool they way they are. This is all george's fault anyway. kick him out! check you later.

[Pim]

It is hard to tell before hand what exactly an unwanted OT is. For instance, the postings about the September 11th attacks were as OT as possible.

But we all had our emotions, we all needed to be together with our friends...

 

T.m.h.o. Dave did the right thing with the "Occidental blank post". There are better places on the web for "goofin''n jokin'" and other interesting subjects.

 

We, the keyboard forum are here for about two years. That's a huge time for cyberspace!

To maintain our presence here the moderator has to show a firm hand sometimes... Not in HIS interest but in OURS.

 

I know the man - our moderator - he's doing great! And so is OUR forum.

 

Thank you Dave, thank you my other cyberbrothers, I am really proud to be a member of this remarkable community.

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by TheWewus:

Just Yakking Dave: Things are cool they way they are.

Cool! I really do like having you hang down here...

 

This is all george's fault anyway. kick him out!

Naaaaaaah - I've only ever had to kick two guys out of here - that was no fun at all...me no like be bad guy.

 

I hope that George will stay, too...however, if he starts posting mp3s and asking us which one is real, and which one is samples...

 

Glad we're cool,

 

dB

[Cowfingers]

posted by Dave Bryce:

I hope that George will stay, too...however, if he starts posting mp3s and asking us which one is real, and which one is samples...

Out of intreast did you kick that guy out or just give him hell?

I did agree about your first reaction, but at least the guy appologised.if you compare it to 'Parisongs' in SSS the guy was a true gentleman (even if he did spam!) he didnt get abusive or anything.

but as everyone says "your the boss"

 

...now i hope Parisongs doesnt read this and start on at me...

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by Cowfingers:

Out of intreast did you kick that guy out or just give him hell?

Actually, it got worse (in a different thread that I'd rather not dig up), and I ended up asking our webmaster to remove that gentleman's access. He registered under another name, but he doesn't post down here any more.

 

I still feel badly about that. I'm sure that he is a nice enough guy, and that he makes fine samples. I just wish he had chosen a different approach.

 

dB

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

It's completely Dave's call to moderate his forum in the way he sees fit (hence, that wacky "Moderator" title he has).

 

There have been threads on the TASCAM forum I've had to kill (and forum members, rarely, that I've had to remove access) for a whole variety of reasons. Although I like the occasional goofy-ass thread, there are always other places that are more receptive for those.

 

I always treat forums like I do someone's house. Sometimes you go somewhere and they don't want you to wear shoes inside. Other places have small kids or religious beliefs that cause you to moderate your use of salty language. In any case, it's up to the visitors to respect the house rules...nothing wrong with that.

 

- Jeff

[Dave Pierce]

As a long-time netizen, I am thrilled to see Our Local Moderator stepping up and asserting the right of the board to limit discussion. After participating in usenet and mailing list discussions for several years early- to mid-90s, I got severely burned out on them when the slashdot syndrome started taking over everything. Ad hominem attacks, flame wars, really poor signal-to-noise ratios, who needs it?

 

I lurked here for a while, and read a lot of the archives, before I felt comfortable chiming in. The moderated tone, and the great people who practice netiquette, are a big part of why I decided to do another online community. This is the first time in about three years for me, BTW.

 

--Dave

[Dan South]

I applaud Dave's judgement on this issue. The KC has a good balance. A little sports and an occasional thread on outside interests seems like more than enough lattitude. No additional silliness needed - unless Dave starts another "flaming contest," that is.

 

P.S. I can't believe that Valky - the WINNER of the flaming contest - is knocking Craig for silly posts.

[Valkyrie Sound]

Originally posted by Dan South:

P.S. I can't believe that Valky - the WINNER of the flaming contest - is knocking Craig for silly posts.

I ain't knocking Craig! As far as I'm concerned, I was on topic for the contest!

 

Maybe if some of those OT posts were just a little more like my Trombone thread.... Hmmm...

 

 

Valky

[marino]

I am personally grateful to Dave for not encouraging nonsense posts. I'm pretty loose regarding OT things, but sometimes you find about half of the threads being non-music related, and that's a bit disappointing to me. I already have a difficult time dribbling all the football, basket et al threads and landing on something about keyboards...

[RABid]

While SSS may have bigger numbers Keyboard Corner is the best place for information. I think Dave has achieved a very good balance. I, for one, hate to post a question on SSS only to see it washed away in a flood of nonsense posts. Right now I just dont have time for that, but it is nice to know that I can load up Keyboard Corner, do a quick scan, and catch up on keyboard information.

 

Robert

[george costanza]

For anyone who wonders, I've communicated to DB that I'm completely OK with his decisions.

My question was partly about the fact that the topics could still be found in the archives but called up (as mentioned originally) odd results...making me wonder if the new web supervisors were snafu-rific .

(at least they finally got the home page/registration, etc., functioning again)

 

As to the OT post question, all of us might have a different idea of what's too OT, but I have no quibbles with any moderator's decisions.

 

For those who haven't seen my serious side in other posts/forums, I'm a semi-retired bassist (w/some keyboard skills) & have worked in a variety of band/styles/studio situations (gee, now I sound like Wewus when he took his "vacation" ---he knows I'm kidding---or P********'*...)

 

If I do post any mp3s, they'll be no trick quizes involved!

[-_dup1]

Originally posted by marino:

I am personally grateful to Dave for not encouraging nonsense posts.

Same here. You'll probably be seeing me hanging around this forum more often, at least until SSS's signal to noise ratio changes a bit... I don't mind some silliness (and I admit I am sometimes a contributor to it), but frankly, I hang around these forums because I want to read about playing/recording music...

[whitefang]

Hell, I don't even PLAY keyboard, but I DO come in here at times for those posts that address music in general. Or if I wish to find out whatever became of....?

 

I hope I'm not considered too much of an intruder.

If you think so, I apologize. And just kindly let me know. I never INTENTIONALY get cranky!

 

Whitefang

[Gus Lozada]

Originally posted by whitefang:

I hope I'm not considered too much of an intruder. If you think so, I apologize. And just kindly let me know. I never INTENTIONALY get cranky!

 

Whitefang

After 400+ posts, dude, you're really a part of this family...

 

Personally, I HAVE to accept some -or many- OT threads at my forum. It is necessary because since there's only one Spanish place to hang out, we're keyboardists, engineers, guitarists, drummers, soundmen... so diverse, we have to find a common topic which most of the times the main thread gets twisted to another entire conversation.

 

It's a part of belonging to a very diverse community, but we feel at home