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[J0nathan]

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am 18 years old, and I have been playing piano, etc since age 3. I recently started to realize my dream of producing my own music, my own way (Techno, dance, etc). But, I have run into a couple of problems -I need a Korg Triton (or Triton Studio) before I can really do anything... Does anyone know where to get one ultra-cheap new (NOT ebay)? I also need to know where to start.... I have Fruityloops and I wonder if Cakewalk is better... Which is better? Also, how do I get started really producing my own techno etc. from scratch? ANY help would be GREAT! Does anyone know where I can get the full versions of the software to tide me over until I can purchase them all?

 

-Jonathan L.

[progfusion74]

Patience old chap!!

 

It's only been 15 minutes.

 

A Triton studio. You don't HAVE to have it. You can probably do fine without. If you have a good computer, I am not sure you need the studio version.

 

Cakewalk or Fruity. Totally different babies and you can make good dance music with both. I think Reason + Sonar (which supports rewire now I think) would probably make a good solution, or cakewalk and fruity as a VST using some adaptor.

 

prog

[J0nathan]

Hey! I really want to stay in contact with you! Thanks dude... Yeah, but still.. I mean the Triton Studio would be nice to have. Let's put it this way: When I was 11 I became obsessed with the concept of MIDI. I ate, slept, and drank MIDI. One problem: I have a (Blegh) Yamaha PSR-320 (puke), which I bought during this obsession. Such a fool I was.... Now there is a car, and Indonesian girl (cost-effective, and really sweet) and I have just about... 250 bucks left out of 2 months of paychecks. Yeah... I NEED that Triton.. I mean.. I really would like the samples and stuff.. Man.. like 0084 on the Triton.... Oooh..... That's a really sweet pad. Anyway thanks alot. MORE POSTS PLEASE.

[Rod S]

For $250 your best bet is probably REASON.

 

I doubt you'll get anything worthwhile for that price. Keep the yamaha as a controller and get some softsynths if you have a computer already.

[blinkman]

Originally posted by CyberDefender:

PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am 18 years old, and I have been playing piano, etc since age 3. I recently started to realize my dream of producing my own music, my own way (Techno, dance, etc). But, I have run into a couple of problems -I need a Korg Triton (or Triton Studio) before I can really do anything... Does anyone know where to get one ultra-cheap new (NOT ebay)? I also need to know where to start.... I have Fruityloops and I wonder if Cakewalk is better... Which is better? Also, how do I get started really producing my own techno etc. from scratch? ANY help would be GREAT! Does anyone know where I can get the full versions of the software to tide me over until I can purchase them all?

 

-Jonathan L.

The others are right--you DO NOT need a Korg Triton! Forget about what you "need" and concentrate on what you can do with what you have (and what you can get more easily). The Triton's not even all that cool anyway. I suggest you look for things that will help you to develop your own sound.

 

For what you're doing, software synths are really effective. You've already discovered Fruity Loops, which is a good start. Someone else suggested Reason which is great as well. There are many others, quite a few of which are very cheap or even free. Check out some demos and buy what you like. Cakewalk is a different kind of program entirely--it's a complete MIDI sequencing and audio recording/mixing platform. Sooner or later, you will probably want to make use of a program like this--but take a look at all your choices (Logic, Cubase, Performer, etc.) before making a decision.

 

Hope that helps.

 

-chad

[Steve LeBlanc]

When I was 11 I became obsessed with the concept of MIDI. I ate, slept, and drank MIDI. One problem: I have a (Blegh) Yamaha PSR-320 (puke), which I bought during this obsession. Such a fool I was.... Now there is a car, and Indonesian girl (cost-effective, and really sweet) and I have just about

How much time do you spend practicing on a real piano? Have you studied any music theory or learned any music pieces written by the masters?

 

How much did you spend on that Indonesian girl? I could really use one of those...I don't know where I'd keep her but it'd be really nice to have.

 

Sorry for all the questions...you don't have to answer.

[Intheether]

Cyberdefender:

What's your total budget (long term)? I agree that's there's no reason for a triton studio if you already have the computer. Just buy toast and a cd burner when you are at the burning stage. If you really like the triton sound, you can buy the LE for pretty cheap. Techno/dance music IMO lends itself more to the VA's than a triton. Check out all the novation series, the virus, waldorf, et al. Cakewalk SONAR has more features than fruity loops, but if you're most intersted in loop oriented music, fruity loops is a cool start. I'm not a Reason fan personally, but most people seem to love it, so that may be a good choice too. Listen to you favorite music. Lots of techno artists use a sampler and a drum machine along with their DAW. Do a web search of what tools they use. Read urb and remix and keyboard to see the current tools of the trade.

You may be suprised with how little $ you can spend to get a decent set up. Cool Edit Pro is another PC choice that you should look into.

And Steve:

How much did you spend on that Indonesian girl? I could really use one of those

That is too funny

[J0nathan]

Well gentleman, to answer simply: I didn't spend any money to get her. I just showed my heart through really deep poetry. At work, I handed her little love poems. Corny as that may sound, it's the way to do it. Also, I would like to state for the record... Reason seemed overcomplicated.... I just didn't like the interface at all. And by the way, no one ever told me two things: WHAT EXACTLY IS THE HARDCORE DEFINITION of a sequencer and what does LFO stand for?

 

-Jonathan

[Intheether]

I don't know how hardcore this definition is, but a basic definition of a sequencer is a device by which multiple tracks can be recorded, created, manipulted, editted, etc...For instance the triton has a 16 track sequencer. Most DAWS have unlimited midi sequence capabilties. LFO is low frequency Oscillator, I believe.

[J0nathan]

Thanks alot dude....

That helps.

What is DAW? Oops.. I have to get to a school event (senior now).

 

Oh, and more posts would be great guys.. Also, that Yamaha....well..let's say this... It's almost broken (buttons no longer function like they should), so I figure if I'm going to buy a synth, it might as well be one I would enjoy.

[K.C.]

Doing dance music with $250?

I suggest that you get the Propellerhead Rebirth .. it doesn't require a keyboard to create music!

[J0nathan]

K.C. I checked out your site. Nice music.

I need to ask you something, so please email me at CyberDefender2@yahoo.com

If I get anything from anyone else not related to my questions, I WILL simply block you and delete the person who does that.

 

-Jonathan

 

MORE POSTS PLEASE.

[Steve LeBlanc]

Jonathan...I would work in Fruityloops if I were you...it's very user friendly and cheap.

[J0nathan]

STEVE! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH! PLEASE EMAIL ME AT MY CyberDefender2@yahoo.com

 

YOU RULE !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

"Music is more than lyrics... If you look deeper than that, you might just discover a new song."

-Myself, 2002

[synthetic]

Another vote for Reason for creating techno on a budget. It's as complex as you want it to be - start with a mono synth and a drum machine and build from there. It's also probably the best software out there for teaching you how a studio works - there are little patch cords that you can plug into outboard gear, etc. The manual is really good, too.

 

But on to more important issues: Dude, did you really just quote yourself in your sig? You didn't think we would let you get away with that, did you?

[J0nathan]

Yes, actually. I was hoping you would. Lol.

Anyway, what's so great about REASON. Okay, I don't want mono crap. If I wanted that, I would use eJay (blegh.... puke). Okay, let me make this clear: I DON'T REALLY WANT REASON.

 

-Jonathan

 

 

[J0nathan]

Also, I need some drum loops, pronto!

HELP!!!!

[Intheether]

DAW = Digital Audio Workstation (i.e. Digital Performer, Cubase, Logic)

Just a suggestion - you don't seem exactly sure what direction you want to go in...why not hold off, save a little more $ and get what you really want. Maybe it is a triton, so save up and get one, don't squander the little $ you do have. Maybe do a little more research on DAW's, keyboards, samplers, etc...Okay, you don't like Reason (niether do I), check out Reaktor, Unity, Fruity...It's tempting to ask others what they'd suggest and to just go by that, but it's a decision you should ultimately make based on your needs and preferences. If you do start to really get into the music thing, I can guarantee you'll be spending a lot more than $250! Take it slow, assess your current and future needs before proceeding.

[Steve LeBlanc]

Reason has more of a learning curve than FruityLoops and Acid...I just get the impression you don't want to spend a lot of time learning anything.

 

FruityLoops is cheap and I'm pretty sure it will do everything you want.

[J0nathan]

You've been the most help so far in that aspect. I personally like Fruityloops. I just need to find a store that has it. We all know that you don't have to spend alot of money to get a really kick-a$$ product, though the makers of Cakewalk (NOT PLASMA) want you to believe otherwise.

Anyway,I hope everyone saw that Steve LeBlanc posted a message *very proud*. Also, I am planning to wait to purchase a Triton... Only thing is... What about being outdated? I really want a Triton Studio even with my machine because of the convenience and sheer POWER:

 

AMD ATHLON XP 1.6 GHZ (smokes the pentium 4 at 2.0 ghz because the athlon XP does more work per cycle).

Dual 512 DDR RAM (Equivalent of 2 gigs RAM).

GeForce 2

17 inch flat-glass monitor (18-19 inches really).

48x read, 16x write, 4x rewrite CDRW drive.

PPPoE DSL connection

 

-Jonathan

 

MORE POSTS PLEASE

[J0nathan]

Also, it might be important to mention that I have no direct MIDI IN on my machine. I run it through a gameport adapter.

[Steve LeBlanc]

 

Dude you're a trip man

 

Best of luck.

[progfusion74]

Originally posted by CyberDefender:

You've been the most help so far in that aspect. I personally like Fruityloops. I just need to find a store that has it. We all know that you don't have to spend alot of money to get a really kick-a$$ product, though the makers of Cakewalk (NOT PLASMA) want you to believe otherwise.

Anyway,I hope everyone saw that Steve LeBlanc posted a message *very proud*. Also, I am planning to wait to purchase a Triton... Only thing is... What about being outdated? I really want a Triton Studio even with my machine because of the convenience and sheer POWER:

 

AMD ATHLON XP 1.6 GHZ (smokes the pentium 4 at 2.0 ghz because the athlon XP does more work per cycle).

Dual 512 DDR RAM (Equivalent of 2 gigs RAM).

GeForce 2

17 inch flat-glass monitor (18-19 inches really).

48x read, 16x write, 4x rewrite CDRW drive.

PPPoE DSL connection

 

-Jonathan

 

MORE POSTS PLEASE

I'd stick with the Fruity download version since I think the boxed version does not include free lifetime updates (I could be wrong).

 

As for equiment, I am still not sure what advantage the Triton Studio gives you. If you must get a Triton, do so, but with the compute power you have, a dedicated sequencer + a triton (regular, not the studio version) would be a KILLER combo. Use the remaining money to get a KILLER audio interface, which is a necessity if you want to hook up your triton to your computer.

 

prog

[DJDM]

Originally posted by CyberDefender:

Yes, actually. I was hoping you would. Lol.

Anyway, what's so great about REASON. Okay, I don't want mono crap. If I wanted that, I would use eJay (blegh.... puke). Okay, let me make this clear: I DON'T REALLY WANT REASON.

 

-Jonathan

 

 

Reason Rules J man! Its not mono, (it's a fully stereo + app), and it is good enough that the Berklee College of Music uses it as a teaching tool!

I have been using it for a little over a year and I have to say that as an all in one music creation tool it is hard to beat!

Sure Frooty is easier to learn but it has some very serious limitations. If you are really serious about devloping your skills take the time, spend the $$ and get Reason.

If you want to check out some tunes that were created using just Reason go to my site at the link below.

My $.02,

- DJDM

[Superbobus]

Here's a Reason to not go for the Triton studio. First of all, you got a CD burner in your PC, right? Second and most important, it's an all-in-one unit! And if one little thing in your all-in-one unit gets toast, you'll have to bring the whole unit in for service and that really sux!

I have made great - stereo - stuff with Reason, a Yam CS6x and a Nord Micromodular. Don't let yourself get fooled by commercials and all that "this I really need" stuff! Before you know it you'll be spending tons of money, getting yourself a loan and paying tons of interest too and nobody wants that. I hope I don't sound like a grandpa too much. Good luck!

[jzero]

* Fruity Loops is the bomb. (online purchase

w/LifeTime free upgrades) $99

* Pick up Linplug's FreeAlpha for phat analog

sounds. $0.

* Learn how to program and layer the 3xOSC for huge leads. 0$

* Learn how to use the Peak Controller for

syncopated rhythmic chords

* Grab some drum samples demos from www.e-lab.se 0$

* Conquer the world!

[J0nathan]

Thanks, but that site (even after registration) is amazingly restricted. Steve, have any suggestions?

[J0nathan]

MORE POSTS PLEASE!!!!!!!!

[DJDM]

Originally posted by CyberDefender:

MORE POSTS PLEASE!!!!!!!!

[J0nathan]

I just realized that A SINGLE POST HAD BEEN MADE! WOW! NOW I'LL ACT EXCITED. ALSO, my computer science instructor passed away due to a relapse of cancer. He had a double-major in astropysics. He was one of my close friends.

 

MORE POSTS PLEASE!!!!

 

-Jonathan