schmoron13 Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 OK, so I was under the impression that the Karma is a supped-up triton, but why is it that it's always cheaper than a triton? Also, does the karma come in a rack mount by any chance? Lastly, does anyone have experience with the Karma, and what styles of music is it geared for? Thanks in advance
Intheether Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 The Karma uses the same sound engine as the triton/trinity series, maybe that's why you got the impression they were the same. That's really where the similarities end though. I don't own a KARMA, but from having tooled around with one, I didn't really care for the Generated fx. Although it's touted as not being an auto-accompaniment feature - I can't shake the feeling that it is. If that style is your thing though, the GE's may work to your advantage. The patches are pretty glossy and fit nice with pop, electronic and dance music. I don't care for the small screen interface on the KARMA, it made it harder to navigate through the sequencer window especially. The biggest advantage to buying a triton over the Karma would be IMO the on-board sampler the triton boasts. This is just speculation, but I think the Karma's price has been significantly lowered as of late b/c it wasn't the run away success Korg was hoping for. That's just speculation though, not fact. There's no rack mount KARMA that I know of, maybe it's in the works? Steven Kay did an interview with Keyboard last year in which he talked about KARMA software being released. That could be exciting if it comes to be. *
Dave Bryce Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 Originally posted by nelz: The Karma uses the same sound engine as the triton/trinity series, maybe that's why you got the impression they were the same. That's really where the similarities end though. Are you sure, nel? I was under the impression that it used the exact same sound ROM as well as the same engine...as I understand it, it's basically a scaled down Triton that features the GE trick...and not as nice a keybed... dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network
Michael Jones Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 Originally posted by Dave Bryce: I was under the impression that it used the exact same sound ROM as well as the same engine...as I understand it, it's basically a scaled down Triton that features the GE trick...and not as nice a keybed... dBKorg Karma......what a sore subject! The Karma is little more than an overpriced Casio with a fancy software program. The GEs in the Karma are fantastic and are very inspiring. They are also programmable and have a dedicated following: http://www.karma-lab.com/ "I may be a craven little coward, but I'm a greedy craven little coward." Daffy Duck
Michael Jones Posted July 31, 2002 Posted July 31, 2002 Originally posted by Dave Bryce: I was under the impression that it used the exact same sound ROM as well as the same engine...as I understand it, it's basically a scaled down Triton that features the GE trick...and not as nice a keybed... dBKorg Karma......what a sore subject! The Karma is little more than an overpriced Casio with a fancy software program. The GEs in the Karma are fantastic and are very inspiring. They are also programmable and have a dedicated following: http://www.karma-lab.com/ "I may be a craven little coward, but I'm a greedy craven little coward." Daffy Duck
Intheether Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 dB: ...I'm not sure, like I said I've only tooled around with one. The sequencer did seem different than the tritons, but that may have been b/c of the tiny screen. Are the patches identical? I didn't know that - just knew they were similar. I would definetly recommend a triton over a karma, but some people really do dig the GE's. *
Dave Bryce Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 Originally posted by nelz: Are the patches identical? I didn't know that - just knew they were similar. I don't know if the patches are the same, but I do believe the raw sound ROM itself is. I could be wrong...don't think so, though... dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network
Synthguy Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 The Karma and Triton share the same architecture, voice structure, effects and expansion, minus the sampling and ram part. The Karma is programmed a little differently in a couple of banks with some patches oriented towards techno or dance textures. But it's fully programmable and may take Triton patches. I personally like the keyboard but then I'm not a piano player. It's made by Fatar according to Keyboard. And of course I think it freaking rocks. This keyboard solo has obviously been tampered with!
Gus Lozada Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 From what I've experienced: * Same ROM * NO SAMPLING (quite a cut off) * No Touch Screen, like Triton SE * Terrible Keybed Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com
Synthguy Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 Okay, this server is beginning to irk me. At least I beat Gus by a few nanoseconds. And as I think MJ is getting at in the post below, another diff is the Karma GE system, which is like an arpeggiator/music accompaniment/algorithmic composer on steroids. That does look seriously intriguing... must save a few more pennies... This keyboard solo has obviously been tampered with!
Michael Jones Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 Originally posted by synthguy: The Karma and Triton share the same architecture, voice structure, effects and expansion, minus the sampling and ram part. The Karma is programmed a little differently in a couple of banks with some patches oriented towards techno or dance textures. But it's fully programmable and may take Triton patches. I personally like the keyboard but then I'm not a piano player. It's made by Fatar according to Keyboard. And of course I think it freaking rocks. Interesting reading........ http://www.karma-lab.com/KARMA/KARMA_PR.html#Anchor-49575 And.... http://www.karma-lab.com/KARMA/KARMA_PR.html#Anchor-47857 Plus this looks like fun!!!!! http://www.karma-lab.com/Files/KarmaMWBrochure.pdf Jonesy "I may be a craven little coward, but I'm a greedy craven little coward." Daffy Duck
realtrance Posted August 1, 2002 Posted August 1, 2002 There's a trick to using an arpeggiator to make it sound original and sometimes I can pull that off and take something relatively bland-sounding by default and really make some music with it. My impression early on was, if that's the case with a standard arpeggiation, think of what I might be able to learn to do with a GE! Unfortunately, I always come away from considering a Karma with three issues: 1) Eye-hurting display -- makes using it no fun; 2) Crappy keyboard -- makes playing it no fun; 3) too many notes. I just can't get over that last one, I always feel like, no matter how good the GE, the Karma's pushing me in the opposite direction from the one I want to go in. That's just me, I guess. I would see Karma as mainly useful for commercial music making, for ads, soundtracks, the like -- it's a useful way to increase the simulation of a wide range of instruments. I haven't yet found it really inspiring, though. rt
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