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YAMAHA P80,KAWAI ES-1,OR TECHNICS SX-P50???any opinion?


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Yassu!

 

I´m not a very experienced piano player but I´ve tried all of those you mentioned. Here´s what I have found out:

The Yamaha P-80 is very popular and you can get it pretty cheap, also in Europe. It has a clavinova-type touch (that I personally don´t like). I think the sounds qulity and variety are OK.

 

The Technics SX-P50 looks like a toy, but in my opinion the action was quite alright and comparable to others in this class. It has a great variety of jazz organs, but the main piano sound I had to adjust to make it more pleasant. The sustain pedal that is included looked like a real toy so I tried it with a Roland pedal (by the way, have you tried the Roland RD-150? Quite nice action, no jazz organs though).

 

The Kawai ES-1 is in my opinion by far the best-looking and has no useless LED display. If you have use for built-in speakers, this is one of the rare options (Yamaha P-120 is in the next price level).

I liked the action too and limited 32 notes of polyphony made no difference to me. The sound category had very useful piano category and quite nice electric piano and jazz organ sounds but the rest would be useless to me. Too bad it´s missing bass sounds unlike the P-80 for example. The ES-1 seems to be a bit, maybe some 200 euros more expensive than the others mentioned, and that´s for the built-in speakers I guess.

 

As a conclusion I can only tell you that personally I moved in to a higher price category and will probably buy a kawai MP9500 in the near future. This is mainly because I don´t have an acoustic piano or any other piano-like keyboard at all but I want to learn to play piano, not a synthesizer with 88 "weighted keys" (and I want to do it at home, sometimes with headphones). I think it´s necessary to try these machines again and again until you get a peace of mind. And take your own headphones to the store, so the sounds don´t get spoiled just because of bad headphones from the shop

 

...how did I end up writing so many lines...

 

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Nuutti

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I own the (rather hard to find) Technics SX-P50, and I've found its action and sounds to be very playable. The jazz organs are fairly inspiring, and its piano sounds are very good for the price range. On the other hand, I agree with Nuutti. I have an old upright that I can work on in addition to the keyboard, and although the Technics has a good action, I wouldn't replace an acoustic piano with it. If this is going to be a primary source for practice and gigging, more money really will buy better playing. If money is an issue (it was for me :) ) then I'd go with the Technics.

 

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I've had the Technics P-50 for about a month now. It is a great keyboard, especially when you consider the fact that it has a weighted action and weighs only about 35 lbs!! Very easy for gigging. IMHO, the acoustic piano sounds are just about the best I've heard in a digital keyboard. I used it in a church setting for our annual youth musical production and was prodded by several in the audience to keep it there for our contemporary service, which I've reluctantly done. Lots of other usable patches as well, FM piano, organs, and a harpsichord so realistic, people will be looking around for the real thing. Check with Mike Golembeski at Caruso Music if you're looking to buy.
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I would save some more money and go for the Yam P120. I think that's the best compromise between sound and feel on one end and size and weight on the other. The action feels better, smoother than the P80 and the sounds are very full and realistic, especially the Rhodes! Piano could be a little less bright IMO but this one is so much better than the P80. I never saw the Technics or the Kawai. They are hard to find over here.

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Hey there, I recent bought the p80 on the advice of some forums. Now I wonder if I should get the sx-p50. I really like technics sound, especially the e-pianos!!

 

Do you think my accoustic sounds will suffer though.

 

Sell and buy sx-p50 or keep p80 ??

 

Help me out here. :freak:

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Originally posted by PaulSchwarz:

Hey there, I recent bought the p80 on the advice of some forums. Now I wonder if I should get the sx-p50. I really like technics sound, especially the e-pianos!!

 

Do you think my accoustic sounds will suffer though.

 

Sell and buy sx-p50 or keep p80 ?? Help me out here. :freak:

I think the answer to that lies in one question: how important is Rhodes to you? If it's really important, then I believe you will be happier with a Yamaha P120 than with either the Technics SX-P50 or Yamaha P80. The Rhodes patches blow on both those 'boards, IMNSHO. But the Rhodes on the P120 is among the top two or three Rhodes emulations available on the market at the moment. Actually, I think I might personally put it at #1.

 

But if only the acoustic piano sound is important to you, then you might as well stick with the P80, until you get a chance to audition the SX-P50 and P120, in which case, you can decide for yourself. If and when you listen to the P120, be sure to listen to it through a good sound system, as the built-in amp and speakers do not do it justice at all, they are useful but only in emergencies.

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Rhodes sounds have there place, but I have never cared for them as much as the DX7 type sounds. Seems like Technics p50 has nice ones. The Yamaha p80 I have has horrible E-piano sounds.

 

I just don't know, is it better to keep the p80 and add a module or sell it and buy the Technics. I really like there ep's but I forget if the accoustic is as good.

 

Which piano has the most sustain in the treble. That's important to me. :confused:

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I have the P80 and agree, but I'd suggest getting a module that has half decent elec piano sounds on it... you could even get a s/h sampler maxed out to 128MB Ram just for rhodes!

 

Originally posted by PaulSchwarz:

Rhodes sounds have there place, but I have never cared for them as much as the DX7 type sounds. Seems like Technics p50 has nice ones. The Yamaha p80 I have has horrible E-piano sounds.

 

I just don't know, is it better to keep the p80 and add a module or sell it and buy the Technics. I really like there ep's but I forget if the accoustic is as good.

 

Which piano has the most sustain in the treble. That's important to me. :confused:

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Well, I finally sorted this out. The P80 is the best deal. I Tried every digital stage piano out there.

 

Roland RD100/150/600/700/fp3, Kurzweil pc88/sp88/76

Korg sp100/200/500, Kawai Es1/Esx/9000

Yamaha p80/120/200, Technics p30/Sx-p50

 

I boiled it down to p80 or sx-p50. I finally put a good hour into each of these at the stores and realized that although they are both great pianos, the p80 excels for these reasons:

 

better touch

more dynamic range in accousic pianos

more punchy in the mid range and low bass

more solid design

better sustain pedal

2 head phone jacks (not 1)

 

Yet there is two complaints I still have about the p80. EP's are not good. And the settings don't stay when you turn it off.

 

I'm going to get a module for EP and I think I should be happy. :cool:

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can somebody please pass on some wisdom to me...I currently have a technics p50 and find that is a very sound digital piano. However, my eye has been caught by the kawai range (most noteable the mp4 as i can afford it)....is it good and where can i find one to play (i.e a specialist music store somewhere)
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Originally posted by PaulSchwarz:

 

Yet there is two complaints I still have about the p80. EP's are not good. And the settings don't stay when you turn it off.

EPs are rubbish, yes. But it will remember your settings. Read the manual. There is a configuration for storing settings when the instrument is switched off.
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Originally posted by digiology:

Originally posted by b3keys:

What about the new Yamaha CP33. I played one this evening. Very, very nice!

oooh tell us more! How does it compare to the P140,p250 ect (or any other keyboard for that matter)
I demoed the CP300 last week. The Grand Piano 1 and the keybed feel were excellent. The piano sounded much better that of the P120 nearby. But this thing is big; which would make the CP33 handy if all else is the same.

 

Bottom line is I liked the acoustic piano sound and almost failed to check the other sounds.

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Originally posted by digiology:

but the sound of the CP33 is the same as the p120?

I do not think the first piano sound is the same. I had the "WOW" feel when I tried the CP300 whereas I had played the P120 before. The CP sounded rich and more polished. A sound that I could play for long periods without getting tired of. To me it felt like there was more than a newer board or the bigger speakers.

 

Other sounds besides the first piano? Maybe they could be the same but I didnt spend time on them. I am curious to know what others who tried the CP think.

We have time, but none to waste.
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