Llarion Posted January 6, 2002 Share Posted January 6, 2002 NEW: I found nicer brass patches and redid all the high brass, and I added a cello part doubling part of the melody, and a 2nd snappy acoustic guitar part doubling other parts of the melody, and adding chordal texture elsewhere. I bumped both keyboards up a little bit and changed some of the sound placements. Overall, I think it's a HUGE improvement, but I'm biased. Is it better? My favorite part is the last hit with the huge hall verb dropped on it, and the guitar strum rolling off to fade... And you get to hear it early! After an abortive previous attempt at a complex Barry Manilow piece, (London, for you historians) I scrapped that and decided to return to my roots, and cover the guy who's responsible for me getting into Jazz in the first place, Chuck Mangione. If you're familiar with his work, you know that Children of Sanchez is an intense, emotional piece, and it's very challenging. So, I did it. There are 23 separate tracks on this work, 10 of drums (2 kits, 5 mics each), 7 brass parts, flute, stereo piano, Rhodes, Bass, and acoustic guitar. No sequencing here, every note is meticulously and manually played. I was shooting for a very loose, "live" feel. I think I got it pretty well. My drum rudiments need a little work, and I wish I had better staccato trumpet patches, but oh welll.... The brass and flute is a mix of Triton and Proteus patches, the piano and Rhodes are RD-500, the drums are real, as is the bass and acoustic guitar. Lemme know what you think! Dave, the WAV will be on it's way shortly... It's EXACTLY 5:00. Children Of Sanchez 4.6mb MP3 Children Of Sanchez NEW MIX 4.6mb MP3 [ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Llarion ] Cheers! Phil "Llarion: The Jazzinator" Traynor www.llarion.com Smooth Jazz - QUESTION AUTHORITY. Go ahead, ask me anything. http://www.llarion.com/images/dichotomybanner.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted January 6, 2002 Share Posted January 6, 2002 Originally posted by Llarion: Dave, the WAV will be on it's way shortly... It's EXACTLY 5:00. Phil, don't send me a .WAV unless you have to. I would prefer it if you could please burn me a redbook CD, or send me a DAT. Looking forward to hearing your tune - that'll take the compilation up to three entries - yours, mine and Dano's. Thanks, dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted January 6, 2002 Share Posted January 6, 2002 Great job Phil. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llarion Posted January 7, 2002 Author Share Posted January 7, 2002 Thanks Steve! I'm gonna try to remix a bit, and find better patches for the upper brass.. Dave, I'll send you whatever you want, redbook is cool too... Cheers! Phil "Llarion: The Jazzinator" Traynor www.llarion.com Smooth Jazz - QUESTION AUTHORITY. Go ahead, ask me anything. http://www.llarion.com/images/dichotomybanner.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cg1155 Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Absolutely fantastic. -C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.C. Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 it is really great .. .. good work man live with music, die with music www.mp3.com/K_C_Lau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenthplanet Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Very nice Phil! I like the way you didn't sequence it, it really sounds like a keyboardist and a drummer playing together. Michael Q:What do you call a truck with nothing in the bed,nothing on the hitch, and room for more than three people in the cab? A:"A car".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llarion Posted January 8, 2002 Author Share Posted January 8, 2002 Wow, thanks guys! I'm considering redoing the melody on classical guitar, add a little mystery; think it'd be a good idea? I'm a little frustrated with my upper brass patches... Cheers! Phil "Llarion: The Jazzinator" Traynor www.llarion.com Smooth Jazz - QUESTION AUTHORITY. Go ahead, ask me anything. http://www.llarion.com/images/dichotomybanner.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llarion Posted January 9, 2002 Author Share Posted January 9, 2002 Boinking for new mix! See first post! Cheers! Phil "Llarion: The Jazzinator" Traynor www.llarion.com Smooth Jazz - QUESTION AUTHORITY. Go ahead, ask me anything. http://www.llarion.com/images/dichotomybanner.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cg1155 Posted January 10, 2002 Share Posted January 10, 2002 The new mix is definitely better than the first, and I thought that the first was great. Already added it to my MP3 collection. -Casey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenthplanet Posted January 11, 2002 Share Posted January 11, 2002 Phil: This mix is nice too and i do like it a little better than the first one, but they're both good. Michael Q:What do you call a truck with nothing in the bed,nothing on the hitch, and room for more than three people in the cab? A:"A car".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted January 11, 2002 Share Posted January 11, 2002 There's a flugelhorn player from here in Rochester that would probably love to hear this! Really nice work, especially the drums. I play trumpet & flugelhorn, and I wish there was a way for me to record quality samples of various articulations and send them to you. I, too, get frustrated over the realistic articulation of horn samples. Those staccato passages include a lot of double tonguing (no jokes, please). The effect is rhythmically alternating hard and soft attacks on the notes. If you just play the staccato parts with the same sample, you get the same single, tip-of-the-tongue articulation on each note. Maybe this would work: - create a duplicate user location of your trumpet sample program, but with a softer attack on the copy - create a keyboard split, put the hard attack sample on one zone, the soft attack on the other, and make the 2 zones the same pitch - play those staccato lines with alternating hands like you would a drum pattern. I've never tried this, but it seems like it should emulate the articulation you want. Good luck, Mark [ 01-11-2002: Message edited by: mzeger ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llarion Posted January 12, 2002 Author Share Posted January 12, 2002 Originally posted by mzeger: There's a flugelhorn player from here in Rochester that would probably love to hear this! Really nice work, especially the drums. I play trumpet & flugelhorn, and I wish there was a way for me to record quality samples of various articulations and send them to you. I, too, get frustrated over the realistic articulation of horn samples. Those staccato passages include a lot of double tonguing (no jokes, please). The effect is rhythmically alternating hard and soft attacks on the notes. If you just play the staccato parts with the same sample, you get the same single, tip-of-the-tongue articulation on each note. Maybe this would work: - create a duplicate user location of your trumpet sample program, but with a softer attack on the copy - create a keyboard split, put the hard attack sample on one zone, the soft attack on the other, and make the 2 zones the same pitch - play those staccato lines with alternating hands like you would a drum pattern. I've never tried this, but it seems like it should emulate the articulation you want. Good luck, Mark [ 01-11-2002: Message edited by: mzeger ] Wow, thanks guys! Mark, you make two fatal assumptions: 1) that I'm a good enough keyboard player to execute what you suggested with these lil' ol' chops... (NOT! ) 2) That I know enough about my equipment to be able to set my stuff up that way. I actually played those staccato horn parts by hammering the keys like drums with my two index fingers. I'd NEVER manage it over a split. Keyboard is not my main instrument, I just comp chords. I'd rather just fly you (or Chuck, heh heh heh) down here! It was a labor of love though, Chuck has been a huge inspiration to me compositionally and from an arrangement perspective, and two of his quartet members were huge influences to my playing (Charles Meeks on the bass and James Bradley Jr on drums, if you didn't guess.. ) Have you ever met Chuck? He released a Latin-influenced album last year that was really nice. if you haven't heard it, the song Aldovia is on Chuck's MP3.com site. Cheers! Phil "Llarion: The Jazzinator" Traynor www.llarion.com Smooth Jazz - QUESTION AUTHORITY. Go ahead, ask me anything. http://www.llarion.com/images/dichotomybanner.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted January 12, 2002 Share Posted January 12, 2002 Originally posted by Llarion: Have you ever met Chuck? No, but I've met his keyboard playing brother Gap, who is a strong player with a regular Sat. club gig. Chuck must be around here regularly because I recently attended a charity auction that had an autographed collection of his CDs. There's another local resident that could help you with your drum tracks. I've seen him at my neighborhood Starbucks. Steve Gadd. The talent that comes out of the Eastman School of Music here is huge. I studied there while attended the Univ. of Rochester, but I'm not that caliber of player on any instrument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llarion Posted January 12, 2002 Author Share Posted January 12, 2002 Steve Gadd is a GOD... a human metronome... I'm originally from Syracuse, so I'm familiar with the Rochester scene, at least the scene as it was 20 years ago... I gigged in Batavia a few times too... I wanted to go to Eastman, I have friends that went there in the mid 80s... One, Wayne Killius, went on to tour with the Glenn Miller Orchestra... Well hell, point Gap at that link if you're so inclined, that'd be fun to get shredded by a Mangione family member... [ 01-12-2002: Message edited by: Llarion ] Cheers! Phil "Llarion: The Jazzinator" Traynor www.llarion.com Smooth Jazz - QUESTION AUTHORITY. Go ahead, ask me anything. http://www.llarion.com/images/dichotomybanner.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llarion Posted January 19, 2002 Author Share Posted January 19, 2002 Final *boink* for reference from another thread... Cheers! Phil "Llarion: The Jazzinator" Traynor www.llarion.com Smooth Jazz - QUESTION AUTHORITY. Go ahead, ask me anything. http://www.llarion.com/images/dichotomybanner.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.