Mark Zeger Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 OK, so I'm not fluent in identifying all the genres of current electronic styles. But many of you on the forum are. I've got a commercial soundtrack project where the client is looking for something, for lack of a better way of putting it, in a "European electronic" style. So I played them Everything But The Girl's "Walking Wounded" album, and that example hits the nail on the head (Fatboy Slim was too "edgy"). I think what I'm looking for is "Drum & Bass", right? I need a sample CD-ROM to give me the rhythm loops in this style. Kurzweil/Akai will work, as will any audio I can import directly into Digital Performer 2.72. Any suggestions? My other solution is to work with Twiddly Bits' Programmers Toolkit for the MIDI loops, and my Proteus 2000 for the samples. Help! and thanks! [ 12-28-2001: Message edited by: mzeger ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intheether Posted December 28, 2001 Share Posted December 28, 2001 Walking Wounded (Omni Trio Mix) is 100% drum & bass. The original mix though, I think some might call 'trip hop'. It's hard to keep up with the genres and subgenres of electronic music....if it's over 136 bmp with breaking beats, I call it d&b. (But it used to be called jungle. Check out this and break beat as well. If it is trip hop you're looking for, try acid jazz, too). ~nel * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Empress_Scorpio Posted December 30, 2001 Share Posted December 30, 2001 Jungle forever! I really adore the hard edged -- crunchy, thrash/crash type beats and mostly raga jungle anthems. Or else something more smooth and gliding d&b stylies, like "a guy called gerald" or some of Amon Tobin's works (really intricate and textured samplings, brilliance). -- But (and that is a big BUT); the least amount of lyrics as possible in drum and bass IS BEST.. or else it just sounds like another cheesy house track --*loves tribal and hard house tho*~. I respect the spoken words type lyrical styles than that flamy "wanna bouce and dance you up all night" sort of bullshhhhh-t. I can not, simply can not stand any sort of repetitive "tech-step" d&b. The progression and aggression is so unapparent. Or "jump-up". Doesn't groove my booties. Keep it real with the old-school Jungle reedims! vi www.mp3.com/just_vi_an enjoy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Empress_Scorpio Posted December 30, 2001 Share Posted December 30, 2001 Nelz, Hello there! I wanted to ask -- for producing d&b, jungle or breaks (instead) of using software and samples to produce loops (because I am really poor at it); what would you -- or other memebers suggest for me (if) I wanted to produce them on my keyboard??? I know Roland put out a Techno Expansion Board -- but it just briefly touches upon the Jungle genre (might I say -- woah it was really great), I would purchase the Board just for that to expand my Fantom; except it's too costly -- if just for that patch. I have often wondered, I mean -- all the expansion board sounds are derived from the original wave forms already in my Fantom (or factory ones) right? If only I could find the right co-ordinates and settings for each drum sound in the Jungle Kit, then I guess I could have my very own! Just by listing in very carefully and then tweaking at the settings, while editing the drums individually on my Fantom -- is really tedious and sometimes exhausting. However, I am gaining some progress -- with do-able Jungle-like drum sounds! It's really intricate and very precise - Jungle, it's math basically. And, I am so poor at math. I like just to tap on the keys and produce rhythms, so I have to do it the hard and sometimes impractical way. But it's so satisfying! Is there such thing as downloadable edited patches? For example, if I edited a patch and a friend really likes how it sounds (over the net), can I upload it to him via internet? I really would like the Jungle kit in that techno expansion board for my Fantom. I'll get it one of these days if I'm confident enough. But for now, the proccess of making my own drum sounds is really exciting and challenging! I like that. Does anyone here know if Roland is soon to release any new Expansion Boards??? I visited a store here which specialized in their products -- but the guys in there are *hmmmm* snobbish? They really give off a "we don't have to help you if we so chose not to"... It's too bad, because if you get me interested enough in a product -- you are gonna get the sale! Oh well, there are other places and other people. Like here! Hope you can find some responses and resources for me, that would be so greatly appreciated. Vi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolColJ Posted December 30, 2001 Share Posted December 30, 2001 To produce Drum and bass, all you need is a good drum loop/beat, chop it up into small sections eitehr 8ths or 16ths and re-arrange them in a stuttered fashion, do odd triggering etc. Add extra percussion on top for extra spic. You don't have to use loops - you can program your own beat, loop that in your sequencer, and then chop that sequence into small sections, and re-arrange etc, and then put that in a folder track, and play that from another track , stuttering etc. Sequncers that operate in a linear fashion are not suitable however There are plenty of sample CDs out there dedicated to drum and bass - scope em out. Then you need a nice bass sound, I only recommend analog bass, FM bass or live bass type sound. For some classy Drum and Bass, check out AdamF - its got a well produced smooth sound - in fact he did a few Everything but the Girl remixes. Some of his alternate mixes of his tracks have some extra groovin funky live bass tracks! [ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: CoolColJ ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted December 31, 2001 Author Share Posted December 31, 2001 Thanks for all the responses. BTW, the track on the EBTG album I used to demonstrate the music style is "Before Today", the first track on the record. That's the feel I'm looking to emulate (no sampling pun intended). At this point, I have a few resources to put the tracks together. The Twiddly Bits Programmers Toolkit has all the snare rolls I need, along with a serviceable drum pattern. The Proteus 2000 has the right drums, analog bass, and synth pads. I might throw in elements from a Liquid Grooves loop. But if I wanted to make my life easy, is there a CD/CD-ROM anyone could recommend that would have well produced loops? I've looked at the titles available from Big Fish Audio and East-West, but I can't afford the time or money of buying CD/CD-ROMs that don't fit what I'm after. The music is for a commercial, so I'm trying to produce a D&B track that's more mainstream than edgy. Again, thanks for the education. [ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: mzeger ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intheether Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 Empress, To produce d&b, I would highly suggest a drum machine over a keyboard to create the beats. I use a yamaha rm1x for percussion b/c I think you've got way more control over the pads with hands on or grid/step recording. Also, the 'breakin' beats' can't be created on most workstations. You need to find a drum machine with a beat stretch knob. You mentioned Amon Tobin - who I consider acid jazz - but either way, he doesn't play a single instrument. He samples all his sounds and tweaks them - including drums. So do most ninja tune artists - dj food, funki porcini etc...if you really want to make this style of music - invest in a good sampler. Check out the akai mpc2000 xl or yamaha rs7000. ~nel * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris c Posted January 2, 2002 Share Posted January 2, 2002 Although I haven't heard it, there's a sample CD out now called Drum & Bass Journey to the Light, produced by Jamie Myerson, that is supposed to lean towards the smoother, jazzier flavor of drum and bass (as opposed to the edgier two-step, tech-step, "neurofunk", dark or whatever (how many sub-genres can a genre have!)). Might be worth checking out. Also, if you don't want to shell out for a full price smaple cd for one project, there are at least two volumes dedicated to drum and bass in the Pro Samples series from Zero G, which run about 50 bucks, and are multi-format (akai, wav, aiff ...) check them out at www.sounsonline.com. chris c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombastique Posted January 3, 2002 Share Posted January 3, 2002 AMG makes some great drum n' bass cd's, as well as some funk and r&b ones that make great d&b loops when you speed them up. I use them all the time with Reason linked thru Logic - Reason is fabulous for working with loops, replacing sounds, doing the 'stuttering' effects, volume fades, pans and layering your own drum loops over it using Redrum. There are, literally, hundreds of great CD's out there - www.soundsonline.com has some great deals, as does EastWest and several others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted January 4, 2002 Author Share Posted January 4, 2002 Thanks to everyone for the info. In addition to the East-West material, the other inexpensive resource I found was Big Fish Audio's Soundscan Vol. 5 Explosive Jungle CD-ROM. As it turns out, I took the Twiddly Bits' Programmers Toolkit + Proteus 2000 route, and managed to create tracks that credibly deliver a mainstream drum and bass groove. Added some warm analog pads, a nice resonant bass and percolating synth patch that fades in and out (both from my K2500), a CP70 sample for a melodic line, and there you have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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