Tusker Posted November 9, 2001 Share Posted November 9, 2001 I was watching the Yanni Live at the Acropolis video, yesterday..... Actually there was an attractive synth sound on it.... of the polyphonic plucked variety. (acoustic guitar meets dulcimer) It sounded like it had been done with FM. Quite nicely textured for an FM sound. The echoing resonance sounded quite rich. Anyone know what instrument he uses for that sound? (I spotted an Emulator III on one side of his rig. There were two stacked synths on the other side. It was triggered from the higher of the two stacked synths.) Thanks in advance, Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 Okay, that's IT, Tusker! You're banned from the forum until you renounce this Yanni fixation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: Okay, that's IT, Tusker! You're banned from the forum until you renounce this Yanni fixation. Oh, my goodness, yes... For your penitence, you have to listen to Tarkus three times in a row...even "Are You Ready, Eddy"... dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 Yawni.... Originally posted by Dave Bryce: ...even "Are You Ready, Eddy"... dB My God, I forgot the existence of that song... a close tie with the Beatles' "All Together Now" for worst song of all time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 10, 2001 Author Share Posted November 10, 2001 So I take it none of you guys saw the video. I have had the video since it first came out. Saw it once.... yawned.... put it away. Yesterday I looked for some "Daddy-music" for my toddler, and other than Pat Metheny, I don't have anything that's completely aggression free and wholesome. So that's how I was listening to it (you believe me right?) Actually for a keyboardist, it's a decent show. He has a simply wonderful violinist playing on the show (Karen Briggs) and the percussionist and bassist are actually pretty good. Ok, so every other song is a string pad (Am, Dm, E7 with arpeggios on top).... but there were three or four songs with lyrical melodies and at least three with quirky time signatures. (He does ruin a pretty nice Delibes song from Lakme by modernizing it though.) So my secret is out Does anyone know about this plucked sound? Wanna check it out? Be very careful. You might see the video and like it. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 10, 2001 Author Share Posted November 10, 2001 Originally posted by marino: Yawni.... My God, I forgot the existence of that song... a close tie with the Beatles' "All Together Now" for worst song of all time... Giving those songs a run for their money: "Who Dunnit" by Genesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 And so the "new age artists you could do without" thread begins... 1. Yanni (is "Yanni" Greek for "pompous buffoon"?) 2. John Tesh (you should have quit after "Tour de France" and the "NBA on NBC" theme) 3. Andreas Vollenweider (I had to listen to this crap daily while working in a record store in '84) Hall of Fame: Zamfir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zvenx Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 ok, I admit I have seen two tv broadcast of his shows... BUT I swear it was because of Karen Briggs. I have never like a solo violin before I heard her play. Loved it in an orchestra but as a solo instrument it did to me what Kenny G does to me ALL the time :-) rsp richard sven sound sculptist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenthplanet Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 Stop picking on Yanni! Go get a copy of "Keys To Imagination" and see what the man is capable of. For your penance in the meantime; you must listen to "Bohemian Rhapsody" 5 times in a row and sing along! Wait...that's too harsh....make it four times with the singaong. Michael Q:What do you call a truck with nothing in the bed,nothing on the hitch, and room for more than three people in the cab? A:"A car".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfjazz Posted November 10, 2001 Share Posted November 10, 2001 actually,he should listen to a pucini opera while playing a bach concerto and at the same time trying to figure out what yannis pad is. actually, though, i saw the acropolis video-not bad cinematically(i am a videographer,too) and he does do sum nice stuff-i really dig that karen briggs and her chops-i think if someone was to watch that video again(ha!)they may see that the keyboard he is playing is either an alesis or korg. yell at me if im wrong.... surfjazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangee_77 Posted November 11, 2001 Share Posted November 11, 2001 I'm pretty sure it's either the Korg M1 or 01W/fd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlsy Posted November 11, 2001 Share Posted November 11, 2001 The music of Yanni, did inspire a few musicians here... It was alleged that back to the days when Yanni was feeding his first album, he couldn't even play the piano simultaneously with 2 hands! But well, his music is ok for TV commercials, public entertainment and music education. (I learned a lot from him!) Applauses should go to the band members (see the solos by the drummer, the bassist and gosh, the violinist?) and the arranger that actually orchestrated the concerts whether it be in Greece, China or India. For many, Yanni concerts are more like a show of musical instruments: orchestral, digital, ethnic, etc. I agree Yanni and his band are quite into Korgs & Emus. The Chinese keyboardist that toured with him in India and Beijing used THREE 88-key Trinitys on stage! This guy is good--if you have the Tribute album, see how he soloed on the Korg(with a B3 sound)in Dance with A Stranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted November 12, 2001 Share Posted November 12, 2001 Wasn't it a DX7 or DX7II? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 13, 2001 Author Share Posted November 13, 2001 I guess it could be a dx series synth. I didn't realize they could do such effective plucked string sounds. Most of my experiments with fm based attack segments have yielded "ugly" harmonics that we more suited to being tuned higher like the attack of an electric piano. This was both forceful and sweet. Anyone done any fm based plucked string sounds? Thanks everyone. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 *they only have ham or cheese Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roto Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 Originally posted by mzeger: And so the "new age artists you could do without" thread begins... 1. Yanni (is "Yanni" Greek for "pompous buffoon"?) 2. John Tesh (you should have quit after "Tour de France" and the "NBA on NBC" theme) 3. Andreas Vollenweider (I had to listen to this crap daily while working in a record store in '84) Hall of Fame: Zamfir I gotta let John Tesh continue playing for 2 reasons: 1: Have you ever seen him on the Conan O'Brian show? They are merciless with the guy, yet he comes back and plays a duet with Dweezil Zappa. (If someone could remind me what song they played I would be grateful!) Tesh can take a joke and knows who he is. 2: This is basically the same as number 1, but anybody who I've ever heard say that they have met him or known him say that he is the nicest guy in the world and they feel awful for poking fun at him afterwards. (They still do it tho ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliver Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 Originally posted by mzeger: And so the "new age artists you could do without" thread begins... 1. Yanni (is "Yanni" Greek for "pompous buffoon"?) 2. John Tesh (you should have quit after "Tour de France" and the "NBA on NBC" theme) 3. Andreas Vollenweider (I had to listen to this crap daily while working in a record store in '84) Hall of Fame: Zamfir Can't agree with you regarding Andreas Vollenweider. His music is all but the crap. I think it's absolutely unique, beautiful blend of world rhythms, jazzy improvisations and... yeah, new-age sounds. His harp playing is simply out of this world and arrangements are brilliant. I think man is pure genius! Hope you just got an overdose of his music in that store thus you listed him here as well... Vladislav [ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: Gulliver ] I am back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big K Posted November 13, 2001 Share Posted November 13, 2001 well sorry to say I like yanni , even been to on e of his live shows in town here (it was great!) also of mention is one of the trumput players ... incredible tone..... mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm good..... sorry no idea what synths he uses. his latest cd is mostly synth work .. not as good as the prevous ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Tesh is a good pianist, at least. Yanni is just a hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Yanni is Liberace for the '90s. Is there room for a candelabra on a Triton? (Leave the sexuality jokes out of any responses, OK?) If Tesh is so self effacing about his public image, then he can come off this list. Sorry, but Andreas Vollenweider stays. Musical Haldol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobro Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 For a long time I thought Yanni was some kind of religious leader, then I heard that he was the Mozart of our time. It actually took a little effort to listen without the wacky images. There was a piece in 7/4 so that was pretty catchy...otherwise it was basically elevator music I thought. But there's a lot worse that's for sure. Come to think of it, I still think he's some kind of religious leader. I'm going to cast my vote with you guys for Andreas Wollenweider. Probably not a shock to learn the music's not exactly to my taste, but he's very good at what he does and an originator of the style AFAIK. The tunes I heard had cheerful bounce, dynamics and some kind of "handmade" feel to them. Anybody can look cool hitting a barre chord on a Les Paul, but being a harp player in this day and age takes some real hipness. -CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roto Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Originally posted by Bobro: ...otherwise it was basically elevator music I thought. But there's a lot worse that's for sure. -CB So would that make him the Herb Alpert of the piano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Azzarello Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: Okay, that's IT, Tusker! You're banned from the forum until you renounce this Yanni fixation. You know, it could be worse. Tusker could have asked about a "John Tesh" sound. John Tesh = Yanni for Wimps Pat http://www.patazzarello.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 14, 2001 Author Share Posted November 14, 2001 So, should we believe that "good" musicians have "good" sounds and "bad" musicians have "bad" sounds? What an original idea. Whatever happened to eclectic taste? If you have heard the plucked string synth sound I am talking about, I would appreciate any tips toward how to construct it. Particularly the tuning and design of the attack harmonic (FM, I think). Thx, Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormac Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Hi Tusker I've created a patch to emulate the one Yanni use in the video.I don't have a FM synth, so I combine 2 sound elements to create the program: one acustic guitar waveform and one synth vox waveform ,with some resonance of the vox.Then in the EFFECT block,the guitar sound through a ENHANCER, a Celeste, a DUAL DELAY, and a Exciter; the vox sound through to Delay and Exciter. Finally both combined into Reverb and a 7-Band Graphic EQ, with 100/200/1k/2k/4k cut and 450/8k boost. Btw, I did this on the KAWAI K5000W,using the substractive block to make the patch.K5000W is my master KB(I like the key touch), creating sound on K5K is handy (hope you can understand my poor english ) [ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Cormac ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 14, 2001 Author Share Posted November 14, 2001 Originally posted by Cormac: Hi Tusker I've created a patch to emulate the one Yanni use in the video.I don't have a FM synth, so I combine 2 sound elements to create the program: one acustic guitar waveform and one synth vox waveform ,with some resonance of the vox.Then in the EFFECT block,the guitar sound through a ENHANCER, a Celeste, a DUAL DELAY, and a Exciter; the vox sound through to Delay and Exciter. Finally both combined into Reverb and a 7-Band Graphic EQ, with 100/200/1k/2k/4k cut and 450/8k boost. Btw, I did this on the KAWAI K5000W,using the substractive block to make the patch.K5000W is my master KB(I like the key touch), creating sound on K5K is handy (hope you can understand my poor english ) [ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Cormac ] Bro, I can definitely understand your English. It isn't in the least bit poor. Thanks for sharing. That's a pretty elaborate patch. It makes sense how you did it the way you did. Lots of processing to get the two waveforms to blend together (that's what I hate about romplers... getting things to blend). I suspect that the synth vox waveform on the K5000 is more of an analog pulsewidth modulation waveform than a breathy samplerish one, since you are boosting at 8K. Would that be correct? Did you have to do anything special with the attack portion of the envelopes? Thanks again, Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormac Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 hi, tusker Yes, the synth vox I choose is more pluse-like and have a hard attack.I'm now trying to create the Yanni patch with K5000W's Additive engine, since there're some patches have similar pluck character and sound fatter, using the ADD to blend with PCM seems make sense Btw, I have a Roland JV-1080 as well and I've just tried to make a Yanni patch on it, guess what ? The Roald JV engine sound too "sweet" and "hollow", hard to get the sharp sound with enough body.I think it's easier to create the sound on a Trinity/EX5 or Kurzweil. Randy [ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Cormac ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 14, 2001 Author Share Posted November 14, 2001 Originally posted by Cormac: Btw, I have a Roland JV-1080 as well and I've just tried to make a Yanni patch on it, guess what ? The Roald JV engine sound too "sweet" and "hollow", hard to get the sharp sound with enough body.I think it's easier to create the sound on a Trinity/EX5 or Kurzweil. Randy: I got a bunch of ideas from your discussion of the Kawaii patch. I agree the JV engine is too bright (lacking mid-range detail) for most of this. I too, thought of the Kurz (using the hi-freq-stimulation thing) as a natural for this. Somehow, samples mix musically inside that engine. Dunno why. (Hey GAS, down boy.) However, I went ahead and took a stab at it on my xp50. I would have preferred to do it using simple FM on a VA, so I could make the sound more morphable. I may try that next, though I expect to be frustrated with the ADSR envelopes. Try the sysex below on your JV1080 if you can. (It will wipe out your other patches, so you would want to backup first, of course.) http://www.tuskerfort.com/YanniPluck.syx Here are some of the ideas I used from the discussion so far: - I used the spectrum EFX to blend the samples together, similar to the way you used EFX processing in your patch - I used the ring modulator to sharpen the attack (not quite fm, but it improves the bite) It's not exactly THE Yanni sound. I'd love to get any feedback on the patch, particularly ideas for improvement. Also, if you do some improvements on it (there's lots of room for that), I'd love to get a copy. Thanks, Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted November 15, 2001 Share Posted November 15, 2001 There must be something wrong with me. I can listen to ELP tonight, and watch the Yanni video tomorrow. And then follow it by listening to Alice in Chains. Genesis (later stuff especially) puts me to sleep though. Originally posted by PatAzz: You know, it could be worse. Tusker could have asked about a "John Tesh" sound. John Tesh = Yanni for Wimps I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blab Blab Bla Posted November 15, 2001 Share Posted November 15, 2001 Back in the 80s I really dug Tesh's Tour De France CDs along with Garden City... then I got seriously into jazz funk and straight ahead modal jazz and couldn't bear to listen to those old Tesh techno Synclavier tracks of old. I went to tesh's site the other day just for a laugh... lots of big images of him and soundbites.. nothing much has changed though... very talented guy.. but doesn't push my musical buttons any longer. But he makes a lot of people (esp Women!) very happy! As for Yanni... I could never get into his music.. it sounded very wishy washy... but Andreas Vollenweiders CD 'Down To The Moon' used to make me smile a lot back in the 80s. best progressive techno jazz Cd I ever heard was Eddie Jobsons Theme of Secrets... some wonderful chords and time signature changes all done on a Synclavier back in 85. Peace Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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