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JP8000 - worth it?


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Hi y'all....just wanted to know if the JP8000 is a worthwile 'board to own. I already have a Korg WS-ex, an MS-2000, a Quasimidi Polymorph, a W'dorf Microwave I. I'm into machines that go borderline when pushed to the limit (i.e. a reverse cymbal 4 octaves down), or anyway that can be twiddled at a deep level.

Thank you from Switzerland!

Paul

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I have a JP8000, and although i really like it, it has its faults. It makes an annoying click if the attack is set to 0 (which is why I usually use it for pads), and it's pretty annoying to use as a master controller. It does make some cool sounds, though. but I don;t think I'd classify it in the "machines that go borderline when pushed to the limit" category. Plus, you'll probably find a lot of overlap with your MS2000. What about the Waldorf Micro Q? It's cheaper, and a lot more flexible.

 

 

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....and then there's that Andromeda thingie... http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/happy/flash.gif

 

If you really wanna tweak at a deep level and truly love the analog thing, Andy is quite a bit of fun, and well worth the cash. Tough to find one, though...

 

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Weeeellll... that pretty much sums it up.

DB: are you sure that the Andromeda falls into the same price category?? I had the feeling it was one of those $2-3k kinda machines...

'coz then since I'm a sorta Korg fan, I would test my luck with some Karma... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

Borderline thanx from Swissyland!

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DB: are you sure that the Andromeda falls into the same price category?? I had the feeling it was one of those $2-3k kinda machines...

 

It is. You didn't say anything about price.

 

Andromeda is the most powerful polyphonic analog synth ever built. It's worth it. Go play one (if you can find one). If you're like most people that I have watched test-drive Andy, you will lose your mind. If you've never played a real analog synth, you may be shocked at just how much of a difference there is. If you're looking for something that can go "borderline when pushed to the limit", and "can be tweaked at a deep level", Andy may be just what you seek.

 

'coz then since I'm a sorta Korg fan, I would test my luck with some Karma... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

Another fun toy, but not anything like the JP8000, is it? I thought that you were looking for a subtractive (analog-style) synth, based on your asking about the JP. My apologies if I was in error.

 

Also, as always when I talk about Andromeda, I have to put a disclaimer that I am one of Andy's daddies; and, as such, tend to be very proud of her.

 

Your mileage may vary - but I'll bet that it doesn't... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

 

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Hey,

 

I Love MY JP8000! It's plenty of fun and sounds great! I haven't put it against an MS2000 however.

 

BTW, Dave, that manic smiley face a few posts up is freakin' me like an old Wang Chung video! :-)

 

 

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deebee... you are right...I didn't talk about prices... and I had started out with that ol' piece of Roland...

I just asked 'bout the JP8000 because "over here" it's not one of those items that usually pops up in ads all over.

Having said this, I do confirm that I'm interested in machines that go screeech, booooing, woooosshhh, &%*(&, and in the case of keyboards, it's always worth exploring what came out in the pre-VA era...you never know.

I'll try to get my hands and ears on an Andromeda...they're around $2.7k here in Switz.

What's this noize about Alesis going Chapter11 BTW?

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The JP is a solid, reliable virtual analog synth, a good value for the money. The architecture is a little confusing, because it has both programs AND performances. No surprise there, except that the performances contain their OWN programs, and the programs in the Program banks are different programs, i.e. you can add them to any performance you want. These stand alone programs are better than the performances in my opinion. It's even more confusing when you realize that you are ALWAYS in some performance, even when you're playing these programs. The performace controls the current values for the effects, arpeggiator, etc. It takes a little while to get used to this setup, but it's worth it, because it's a sweet sounding machine. Easy to program, too.

 

Andromeda?? Sure, I'm banking on the fact that it's going to be a killer machine, but I ordered one three weeks ago, and I'm told that the dealer isn't going to get any until May 2nd. Is this because of the Alesis restructuring crap? I'd kind of like to get my hands on one before I retire. This is really starting to tick me off!!!!! Alesis, get off your asses and send me my Andromeda!!!!!!!!!! I've said lots of nice things about your MasterLink on these forums. Cut me a break, already! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif

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I believe the JP8000 is out of production, but you can get them really cheap wherever they're being sold. The main drawback to the keyboard is the fact that the factory patches suck... they're nearly all sandy sawtooth pads or crappy arpeggiated sounds, none of which show off what the synth can really do. It's a pretty powerful VA synth, but it fell out of popularity pretty quickly. The rackmount/tabletop version is actually more powerful because it has a vocoder. In addition, the vocoder can send signals to the synth section to control filter cutoff or other parameters, which is a feature unique to this synthesizer.

 

The main thing I hate about these two roland synths, though, is the fact that the filter cutoff and resonance are controlled by sliders. That may be authentic in comparison to old Roland synths, but I think that only envelope parameters should have sliders.. filters should have knobs, damnit!

 

And speaking of Karma has anyone seen one in a store yet? I went to both SamAsh and GC and they were sold out http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif

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Thanx for all the feedback, guys. I guess I'll just take it for a spin and decide on the moment...

Re. Karma: I listened to a couple of demos on the Korg site and what really p****d me off is that they always sound like some CNN jingle or whatever, with bombastic drum fills everywhere - like the worst of progrock genetically spliced to Tv jingles.

Just will have to try to test one "over here" (wonder when that'll be possible).

Paul

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If I already owned an MS2000 I wouldn't bother w/ the JP8000. But I didn't own either, and when I compared both in the music store I liked the JP8000 better. I'm very happy w/ the JP8000.

 

Originally posted by JingleJungle:

Hi y'all....just wanted to know if the JP8000 is a worthwile 'board to own.Paul

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I remember the day I walked into Manny's and played a nord, an AN1X, a JP-8000, a Virus and a MicroWave. The JP was the warmest, by far. That's what sold me, and I've never regretted owning mine. Later, I bought an 8080 to keep it company.

 

I wonder if Roland has a new VA (or just an A) up its sleeve. If the Andromeda does well, you can bet that Roland will be looking closely at the polyphonic analog market. The JP-8000 was Roland's response to the nord, as I recall.

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I hope so, and I hope they retain the basic layout of the JP8000 if/when they do (while perhaps adding another octave of keys and additional LFO patch routing & waveform flexibility). In addition to the great sound, I found the user interface of the Roland a bit more natural than the Nord and vastly preferable to the Korg - at least for live performance.

 

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I wonder if Roland has a new VA (or just an A) up its sleeve. If the Andromeda does well, you can bet that Roland will be looking closely at the polyphonic analog market.

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