guestuserguestuser.com Posted November 16, 2000 Posted November 16, 2000 If anyone from Yamaha reads this, here's a suggestion: Please make a PLG150-B3 card, to go in the CS6x, S80, MU128, and all the other Yamaha synths and modules that those PLG cards fit into. It would be sort of the "guts of a Roland VK7". Wait, make that, the guts of a Korg CX3, that's more likely since Yamaha owns Korg. Adding one of these and a PLG150-AN to an S80 would make a hell of a machine. It would help if you could better integrate the PLG150-AN into the operating system though. Email me if you don't know what I mean. rsw@accessv.com
Dave Bryce Posted November 17, 2000 Posted November 17, 2000 Originally posted by guestuser@guestuser.com: It would be sort of the "guts of a Roland VK7". Wait, make that, the guts of a Korg CX3, that's more likely since Yamaha owns Korg. I don't believe that is correct. To the best of my knowledge, Yamaha invested in Korg at one point during the 1980s which resulted in things like the Korg 707 (which, if I remember correctly, was basically a four-operator FM synth like the DX9), but I don't believe that they ever actually owned Korg. Additionally, I do not believe that this relationship (as such) still exists today. Does anyone know the specifics? dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network
fjzingo Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 And the yamaha sy22....and M1... from wikipedia Yamaha Corporation has always been a major partner of Korg, supplying them with circuitry and mechanical parts. In 1987, shortly before the release of the M1 Music Workstation, Yamaha acquired a controlling interest in Korg's stock. The takeover of the company was amicable, with Kato drawing up the terms, and the two companies continued to independently develop their product lines and compete in the marketplace. After the following 5 very successful years, Kato had enough money to rebuy most of the Yamaha share back in 1993. /Fred /Fred Cantaloop Soulfetch Soulbox
fjzingo Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 That was an old post /Fred Cantaloop Soulfetch Soulbox
JohnH Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 The PLG boards are done...there won't be anymore (there haven't been any in 5 years).
Threadslayer Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 A modeled B3 emulation would have been a cool one though. I wonder if they ever considered it? Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain
Floyd Tatum Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 Guestuser@guestuser.com here (my old moniker) - that was my suggestion - it seemed like a good idea at the time! I never did get an email from Yamaha, I'm afraid (no surprise there)... It doesn't matter to me any more - I sold my CS6x years ago
Mark Schmieder Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 I was too busy to respond before, but others have already stepped in and straightened out most of the confusion. Yamaha stated categorically there would be no more new PLG boards, as they were so disappointed at the limited return from the serious investment of research, development, and customer inquiries related to the much-demanded PLG-150AP board. As for Korg and Yamaha, one must remember that the Japanese business model is one of coopetician. I have worked directly as partners of Japanese firms in the past, and it is intriguing how they operate. It works for them, but would be foreign to us. Yet some firms have more traditional (from a Western point of view) rivalries, such as Yamaha v. Roland. No love lost there! The ownership aspect of Yamaha w.r.t Korg was sorted out in an earlier post. It's amazing that that brief period keeps getting dragged up as though it's current. And frankly, much of what that was about was Yamaha keeping Korg alive to prevent Roland from walking away with the grand prize (Monopoly), which was quite a danger right after the sheen of the DX-series had finally worn off. Yamaha knew Korg could react more quickly than they could themselves. But going into this in more depth would be hard for those who don't understand how "coopetician" works. I have no doubt that there is still likely some level of cooperation on certain levels between the two firms, but there is also heavy competition in the workstation space and a few other areas. This is more common in American business than many people realize as well, but it isn't as publicly acknowledged as we have a "fight to the death" mentality that is supposedly at the heart of capitalism. Yamaha makes drivers for quite a few loudspeaker manufacturers out there (we were once one of them, but that's a long time ago by now). They are a heavily diversified company, whereas Korg has only in recent years begun to stretch beyond the MI market with their innovative DSD streaming recorders (MR1000, etc.) and other technologies not used exclusively by performing musicians. Smaller companies like Korg are rarely able to do everything in-house, but to me their longevity, along with Kurzweil's, is one of the amazing success stories in the industry. Both companies have gotten considerably stronger and more independent in the past few years, with clear musician-oriented product focus that shows they are clearly attuned to the modern world. By now, it would not surprise me if Korg is not dependent on Yamaha even for occasional parts, but it's really a moot point, because they have always been fully independently operated. This again is an aspect of how the Japanese "coopetician" business model works, that is slightly different than even the most bizarrely intertwined of American businesses (as evidenced recently by resignations from Apple's and Google's boards of directors). Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager
Threadslayer Posted November 24, 2009 Posted November 24, 2009 As for Korg and Yamaha, one must remember that the Japanese business model is one of coopetician. I love this term, and I think you're right, but it would be more effective if you spelled it "coopetition" don't you think? Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain
Synthoid Posted November 24, 2009 Posted November 24, 2009 It's amazing that that brief period keeps getting dragged up as though it's current. And frankly, much of what that was about was Yamaha keeping Korg alive to prevent Roland from walking away with the grand prize (Monopoly) I thought Korg made the Monopoly keyboard... When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray.
Mark Schmieder Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 That's what comes of working 16 hour days, six days a week (including ALL of Thanksgiving). I meant what you said, but what I said by mistake could have an interesting usage as well, as someone who practices coopetition. :-) Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager
Sven Golly Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 Is there a specific reason we're posting against an ancient thread?
Mark Schmieder Posted November 27, 2009 Posted November 27, 2009 How weird; I didn't notice -- was this a trick? The first few posts were mid-November, and the next few post were like a few days after that. Until your comment, I didn't notice there was a nine year gap between the two groups of posts. A coincidence that the day-of-the-month gap was so narrow, or is someone toying with us? Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager
Sven Golly Posted November 28, 2009 Posted November 28, 2009 If memory serves, this isn't the first "resurrection" done by our friend fjzingo...?
fjzingo Posted November 28, 2009 Posted November 28, 2009 I thought it was a bit strange that somebody suggest changes to the plg150 so long time after it was released . Just realised after hitting submit. Yeah I woke up my mark I and mark II, and actually my clavinet....apart from that?? /Fred /Fred Cantaloop Soulfetch Soulbox
Floyd Tatum Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 I thought it was a bit strange that somebody suggest changes to the plg150 so long time after it was released . I don't understand what you mean. That thread was dormant for nine years until you revived it....
fjzingo Posted November 29, 2009 Posted November 29, 2009 my mistake hitting post 3000 whatever right hand corner of the forum page instead of 2 forget this thread now so we can discuss something relevant /Fred Cantaloop Soulfetch Soulbox
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