SoundWrangler Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Just to prolong this enjoyable Stones foolishness a bit further: [b]What Stones tunes are most notoriously covered - INCORRECTLY?[/b] All-time champ has to be "Jumpin Jack Flash" - no one does the way cool Wyman B pedal-tone riffing, let alone the Open E Keith R. guitar part. Seems like the Johnny Winter And version is what most people learned back in the garage! Second, maybe "Honky Tonk Women". Fuggedabout the Open-G Keith part, what about the bass players that have never noticed they're supposed to [i]lay out[/i] during the verses? :rolleyes: Third, maybe "Get Off My Cloud". Silly little single-line lead part always missing, no one ever notices the real bass line, & just TRY to get your drummer to play: Thump-WACK ThumpThump-WACKWACK Thump-WACK DubbadubbaDubbadubba! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 ROFL!!! Yeah that is true, everybody misplays those songs. Except me, of course. :D Our drummer has no problem with the "Get Off of My Cloud" part either. :) I think bass players who play during the verses of "Honky Tonk Women" MIGHT be excused if they're playing the "Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out" version. :D But really, hardly anybody ever plays any Stones song right. Hardly any rock drummers exist anymore that have Charlie's type of swing, ditto with Wyman who's just incredibly underrated, and most guitar players are too busy turning up their noses at how "simple" Keith's riffs are to bother noticing the things that make them great, let alone playing them correctly. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnb Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Funny this thread should come up. Just last week I was playing a GB gig and the band butchered "Honky Tonk Woman". These are "jazz guys" and they think that rock is beneath them. How f**king sad. You should hear them attempt a funk tune. I have talked to them about maybe listening to some of these song that they try to play, but they weren't hearing me. It's a living? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Charlie has gotta be the most unusual drummer ever. Ever notice how he skips the hat during the snare on the 2 and 4? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 I just notice that when people do the Keith and Charlie thing, it never quite sounds right. I saw "Sticky Fingers", a tribute band, and they got it pretty close, though, but then again, they're a tribute band, so they're supposed to! So I think Keith tunes in open "G" and takes the bottom "E" string off, right? And his tone is really cool -- somewhere between distorted and clean. Perfect for the songs. Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Keelan Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Werewolf of Tedster: [b]Charlie has gotta be the most unusual drummer ever. Ever notice how he skips the hat during the snare on the 2 and 4?[/b][/quote]I can say the same thing about Bill Wyman. I find his bass playing very 'untraditional'. bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Yeah Ken, many of those famous Stones riffs are open G with the bottom E removed. Keith has some custom 5 string guitars for the purpose. I only had one guitar for years, and still play only one guitar 90% of the time, so I learned to tune to open tunings real fast on stage, and mute the bottom string. :D Charlie doesn't ALWAYS skip the hi hat on 2 and 4 but if it's a song where he really wants to accentuate the snare, he does. It's a cool sound. He does it on Beast of Burden and the snare just CRACKS on that, no hat in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundWrangler Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 Oh, yeah. And "Satisfaction". People assume they "know" how to play it - the horror, the horror... I don't even know where to BEGIN about the depraved things that get done to that song out in Bar-land. :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-brm Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Well the Stones were doing Toronto last week so the radio stations dug up every tune they could find to keep people in the mood. I listen to classical music radio and they played "Paint it Black" done by a violin and piano duet, poorly. That's just wrong. It's OK to tempt fate. Just don't drop your drawers and moon her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 I see people doing songs incorrectly all the time. I've seen bands having the progressions wrong, let alone the 'stacking' of the chords. Recently, I suggested in my band we dust off 'You really got me' by Kinks. I got the usual response of, 'nahh, that's too easy'. I always say, 'oh yea?, try doing it the way (*.*/band) did. It's not easy getting the feel, tone, notes, grace notes, accents and general vibe of many so called 'easy songs'. Matt In two days, it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Tyler Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 [quote]It's not easy getting the feel, tone, notes, grace notes, accents and general vibe of many so called 'easy songs'. [/quote]It takes a good ear. A [b]VERRRY[/b] good ear to translate what is on the original and put in back in real life. And the feeling thing? You either got it or you don't as well. A very rare commodity if you want to consider [i]really[/i] kicking the ass out of a cover. Even those "better" Karaoke backups are very often musically correct, but man do they miss the boat dynamic-wise and feeling-wise. Just my 2 cents. Joe Pine (60's talk show host who sported a wooden leg) to Frank Zappa -- "So, with your long hair, I guess that makes you a woman." Frank Zappa's response -- "So, with your wooden leg, I guess that makes you a table." http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2001&alid=-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Man, the guys in DEVO must've been [i]terrible[/i] musicians. I mean, their cover of "Satisfaction" sounds NOTHING like the original! They got it ALL wrong! ...Sounds really friggin' COOL, too! ;) https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravibe Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 [quote] Second, maybe "Honky Tonk Women". Fuggedabout the Open-G Keith part, what about the bass players that have never noticed they're supposed to lay out during the verses? [/quote]Bass player here. Can't tell you the number of guitar players who will start playing that song, and when I don't play on the verse, they stop and say, "Dude, it's G, then C..." etc. It's not that us bass players don't know. It's that we're under enormous pressure from guitar players to cover up as many of their mistakes as we can! Andrew Mazzocchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundWrangler Posted October 22, 2002 Author Share Posted October 22, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Ultravibe: It's not that us bass players don't know. It's that we're under enormous pressure from guitar players to cover up as many of their mistakes as we can![/quote]LOL! All that, & still have to kick the drummer's butt at the same time! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagevibe Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 I rarely try to copy a tune exactly like the record. After all it's already been done. I try to be an artist - not a human CD player. That said, there are certain licks that a song may just need but it's all open to interpretation. I usually get bored if a band tries to sound exactly like another artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Measuring Man Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Start me up... Nobodyh gets the bass line on that one right. In fact Wyman's sound almost out of tune on the record bu tif you try it any other way faageddddabouuuutit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george costanza Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Hippie: [b]I see people doing songs incorrectly all the time. I've seen bands having the progressions wrong, let alone the 'stacking' of the chords. Recently, I suggested in my band we dust off 'You really got me' by Kinks. I got the usual response of, 'nahh, that's too easy'. I always say, 'oh yea?, try doing it the way (*.*/band) did. It's not easy getting the feel, tone, notes, grace notes, accents and general vibe of many so called 'easy songs'. Matt [/b][/quote]A perfect example of this is the rock evergreen "Louie,Louie". Though widely considered the ultimate three chord rock progression, the song, in fact, has only [i]two chords[/i]: G & G7! [The "third" chord is based on a misunderstanding of the keyboard harmony on one of the early versions.] Back to the Rollin' Stones, let me twist the discussion a bit---what [i]least played[/i] of their songs deserves greater popularity (presuming it might be played correctly :rolleyes: )? I start the nominations with "Monkey Man". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R. Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Count dracuBunny: [QB]Man, the guys in DEVO must've been [i]terrible[/i] musicians. I mean, their cover of "Satisfaction" sounds NOTHING like the original! They got it ALL wrong! QB][/quote]A personal fav of mine. Devo nailed it on the head. The video is the best! :D -David R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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