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I've seen it in real life; I've seen it on these forums... There seems to be a general connection between musicians and left-wing political views.

 

Have you found this to be true? If so, why do you think that's the case? Can you make great music and be a diehard Republican? Can anyone name more than a handful of famous (non-Country, non-Christian) musicians with right-leaning political views?

 

Or... is there actually a balanced mix of political views amongst musicians, but the only outspoken ones are those with leftish views?

 

Try to be civil to each other on this thread, OK? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

 

 

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Interesting observation, Pop. The left-leaning applies not just to musicians but to artists in general; I don't have an explanation as I'm definitely more a conservative (note I did NOT say I'm a Republican; I'm thoroughly convinced the two-party system is the single biggest detriment to the U.S. Government) dang i'm ranting already!! I wonder if there's a difference, to subdivide it a little, between full-time musicians and those that have day jobs?

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Originally posted by popmusic:

...Try to be civil to each other on this thread, OK?

 

 

Oh boy...a Tuesday morning funny.

 

Good luck with this thread, does the expression "can of worms" mean anything?

 

Well...I am, and have been, voting Republican since I was 18. I guess I would probably consider myself a left-wing republican, thought not a right wing democrat. I think both political parties need some serious re-thinking and adjustment...a REAL third or fourth party would be a good thing too.

 

No matter what I or anyone else says here...it will probably start a "name calling" exchange with the "other" side...guaranteed, but...here goes.

 

I THINK...that the reason so many artists tend to support the Democratic Party is because in its theoretical form, the Democratic Party sells its self as more "free thinking" and "for the people" and also in support of forward thinking art.

 

The so called "conservatism" of the Republican Party, in theory, doesn't provide as much of a "progressive environment" for the artistic community.

 

But in reality...it is all BULLSHIT, and too many people fall for the stereotypical definitions and ideas of either party. I don't see that either party over the last 100 years has clearly helped or hurt the artistic community...you have a little of both on either side.

 

As far as this forum...yeah, I've notice that the more "politically outspoken" members tend to be leaning toward the Democratic Party side, but then, we've just started a new political cycle, and that always stirs up people. I will be curious to see if this thread yields any real insight instead of just a lot of yelling and screaming... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

This message has been edited by miroslav on 07-17-2001 at 08:56 AM

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Well, two posts already and it's still civil! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

A followup question would be, does being a musician attract people with leftish political views, or are those views gained through the influence of other musicians? In other words, if you consider yourself left-leaning, were you left-leaning before you became a musician? Kind of a nature vs. nurture thing.

 

BTW, I'm not trying to ask everyone to state their political beliefs, so don't feel like you have to volunteer the information. I'm more interested in discussing musician culture in general...

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Since the dawn of history, music and musicians have been associated with wildness, abandon, crazy behavior, sex, sensuality, etc. Music lowers people's inhibitions, and this is congruent with the political beliefs we have come to know as "left".
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Yeah, I think fet is on the money. Many artists have been marginalized by conservative society throughout history because their lifestyle tends to be different from the norm. Leftists are traditionally more tolerant of that and more willing to speak up for the underdog.

 

Also, a lot of artists have a constant dilemma between living an artistic life and making a living. In our society these two things are generally mutually exclusive other than for a small handful of people. Most people who make a living as musicians have to make commercial considerations, and they may see that as being caused by living in an evil corporate-run world. Either that or they have to get a day job: ditto. So, I think a lot of musicians wish that society in general would be more supportive of artists, and see socialism or government support as being at least a partial answer.

 

I've noticed on these forums that there is a more right-leaning or libertarian-leaning element who feel that the kind of people I've described above are a bunch of whining crybabies who just need to get a job and take responsibility for themselves. Well, I'm basically libertarian myself (NOT a party Libertarian, but a philosophical one) and I DID get a job and take responsibility for myself (I have a business, in fact).

 

HOWEVER... I still think the leftists have a point. Not that I'm sure the answers they espouse are the best answers, because I don't trust the government to make anything work either. But the problem they describe is real, and should not be dismissed by anyone who cares about art. It IS extremely difficult (impossible for some people) to fully express oneself as an artist while trying to cope with the daily realities of "self sufficiency". Most societies have traditionally recognized this and have taken care of their musicians. Not that they're rich, mind you, but in traditional societies travelling musicians are never without a place to eat and sleep and don't have to behave in the same way as other people. It's understood that artistic expression requires a certain "altered" state of mind that is nearly impossible to attain when you're having to deal with practical reality.

 

I say this with great reluctance in a way, because I've always felt it was possible to do both and perhaps for some small number of people, it is. But in recent days I have finally been extremely focused on my music, to the degree that I really feel is necessary to do my best work, and my business has suffered. They simply are diametrically opposed mindsets and mentally/emotionally switching gears on a daily basis isn't possible for me. Nor can I really hope to see any money from my musical endeavors at least for quite some time. I'm starting to resent the time I spend working and even more so the years that I spent compromising my music because I was working full time. For awhile, it was worth it, because I was able to buy the gear I wanted and build my studio. But now, the muse has really taken hold of me and I feel not just inclined, but compelled to focus on that to the exclusion of all else. If it gets me in financial trouble I don't seem to care. And I know I'm far from alone in that regard.

 

So what's the answer? I don't really know, in the context of modern America. I don't want the government to take care of me. But I think what leftists are really missing is community support. I have some measure of that because I've been working with my business partners for seven years and they understand me by now. If I need to slack off for several months to focus on music they KNOW me and are willing to mind the store while I do that. But even they have their limits and there are only two of them. They would love to just tell me to go off and write for a year and they'll take care of me, but they don't have the resources.

 

And I'm one of the lucky ones. Somebody like the drummer I'm playing with who works at a warehouse and has limited work options because he has a child with a disability, is really screwed. If he doesn't work for even a few months his family loses their health insurance, his income which they need, pretty much everything. The fact that somebody who is as talented a musician as he is, can't have the smallest margin for error in our society, just really rankles. His top priority is to be a devoted father and husband, but he has to play too, and SHOULD play, it's what he was born to do, and it's easy to see that trying to do both is wearing him down. You will never hear him complain about it or ask anybody else to be responsible for him, but anybody can see it. I thought conservatives were all for family values and all that, but I guess they think that is mutally exclusive with being an artist.

 

Sorry to get on such a rant, but this issue has really been on my mind a lot lately. Again I don't know what the answer is and I don't agree with the hard core leftists, but I can understand why there are so many artists who do.

 

--Lee

 

This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 07-17-2001 at 10:18 AM

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Well, two artists that immediately leap to mind that are conservative are Ted Nugent and, contrary to what many people thought, Jim Morrison.

 

I consider myself to be libertarian. I believe in the free market and that the indiduals rights should be protected above all else. The government should just keep the peace and get out of the way!

 

 

 

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Originally posted by popmusic:

...BTW, I'm not trying to ask everyone to state their political beliefs, so don't feel like you have to volunteer the information...

 

Funny you said that.

 

I've often wondered why many folks DON'T like to openly state who they are for or what "side" they are on...but prefer to "straddle the fence" or be vague about it. Almost like asking someone "how much do you earn"...it is always a "sticky" question.

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Lee said:

 

Most societies have traditionally recognized this and have taken care of their musicians. Not that they're rich, mind you, but in traditional societies travelling musicians are never without a place to eat and sleep and don't have to behave in the same way as other people. It's understood that artistic expression requires a certain "altered" state of mind that is nearly impossible to attain when you're having to deal with practical reality.

 

I used to visit Plymoth England from time to time and they have a 'town artist.' He literally 'paints the town' with large murials and such and the town supports him. He can walk into any resturant (I guess like cops can around here) and receive a meal and a local business has donated him a flat so he's got a place to crash. They also buy all his paint and brushes for him. They had a bit of a conservative 'mayor' (or whatever they call it over there) who thought he was a bit too liberal in his paintings. He was about to unveil this huge murial right smack dab in the middle of down town and so he invited the French mayor of their sister city (who loves his work) and had him invite the local mayor (so he had to come). At any rate, it was a murial of loads of real Plymoth people ALL NAKED adorning the wall. Quite cool.

 

As far as the original topic, most musicians don't make anywhere near enough money to vote republican. I mean look at the facts and you'll easily see that if you have the earnings of Sting, then you really need to vote republican cos it'll make a huge difference come income tax time. If you make less than 100K a year, then it's actually quite foolish to vote that way. I mean just look at the programs that get bolstered or cut when the parties change hands.

 

So there's your answer right there; musicians support the left because the left tends to help us folks with no health insurance for example. The left supports art for art's sake as well.

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Originally posted by miroslav:

I've often wondered why many folks DON'T like to openly state who they are for or what "side" they are on...but prefer to "straddle the fence" or be vague about it.

 

Well, like you said in your first post, this thread has the potential to turn into a bunch of name-calling. I figured it'd be better to try to keep the personal element out of the equation as much as possible and try to discuss the phenomenon I was initially describing. (It's admittedly difficult to keep the personal element totally out of this topic, though.)

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To add to Lee's post (if I understood it correctly), we "artists" often find ourselves in a confusing state of mind.

 

To be "left-wing", non-conservative, and a "free-spirit" (the stereotypical Democratic traits) usually goes with the general artistic mentality.

BUT...artists also need to be business people, and to deal in a more "direct" manner with life in general...(this is like the stereotypical Republican).

 

What's a musician to do...hehehe?

 

This all reminds me of a good joke, that kind of fits this situation.

 

When Yugoslavia's Communist President, Tito (back in the 70's before the big break up) came to a crossroads, his driver turned around and asked him, "Should I go left or right?"

 

Tito asked, "What do the signs say?"

 

"To the Left it says COMMUNISM and to the right it says CAPITALISM", replied the driver.

 

Tito paused for a moment and then replied, "Give a Left signal, but turn Right".

 

So...I think most artists are signaling Left, but realize that they will need to turn Right in order to have a career/business.

I am not implying that artists or Democrats are Communists...though I must say, many have done so in the past...like the "McCarthy Dark Ages"...

 

You have to keep your options open to survive. Blind unquestioned loyalty...to anything...is dangerous!

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by miroslav:

So...I think most artists are signaling Left, but realize that they will need to turn Right in order to have a career/business.

 

...like Billy Bragg?

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Originally posted by KJ:

Well, two artists that immediately leap to mind that are conservative are Ted Nugent and, contrary to what many people thought, Jim Morrison.

 

What about that most famous Nixon administration deputy drug enforcement officer, Elvis Presley? Talk about ironies...

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What Lee said.

 

My free-spirited French-Canadian point of view:

 

I find funny that in the US the two extremes are associated with religion in such a paradoxal way. I don't get the fact that Republicans (with their to each is own let us get rich or I'll sue you attitude) are posing as devout Christians which credo is lets help each others and that we are all brothers and sisters be it gays, whites, jews, single mothers, orphans, musicians, etc. Also let's build some more bombs while we are at it. There's the real love one and all teaching...

 

Oh yeah, devout Christians because they dress nice to go to Sunday church and feel guilty about sex while buying all that pornography in secret. Very cute. I don't think that's what the original Christians died for at the circus 2000 years ago...

 

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I think the two party system is as corrupt as anything humankind has ever known and that the terms Liberal and Conservative are labels that these two clubhouses wrap themselves in to get organizations with gobs of money to back them. I don't see alot of true conservatism in the Republican party, nor do I see many true liberals in the Democratic party. In fact I think they are pretty much the same in alot of ways. It's a good ole boy club and the price for admission is to sell your soul to some special interest group in exchange for HUGE monetary sums. Nobody really believes that these guys are not personally benefitting from these donations do we? I think that Washington has forgotten the blurb...of the people by the people and for the people. In business would you spend 10 million dollars to get a 67 thousand dollar a year job? That should tell us all alot.
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johnny ramone was/is a diehard reagan republican. caused a lot of tension in the band when they recorded "bonzo goes to bitburg." personally, i find party lines to be a bad joke. only 2 choices to choose from for president? come on! most people call at least 3 or 4 different plumbers for estimates before they commit to someone to unclog their toilet! i find it disturbing that my vote is usually cast in a picking the "lesser of two evils" fashion vs. actually endorsing someone who i like. btw, did anybody see sunday's new york times cover story on the florida republican absentee ballots? that'll make ya puke (unless you voted for mr. "couldn't find oil in texas" bush)...

lee, i misread your post, i thought it said you were a "librarian!".....

 

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Great thread topic! Although, the thread isn't about which party is best so lets try to keep on topic. When I registered to vote years back I did so as a Democrat. You know, when your young they tell you that Republicans will eat your young and put the poor on the street so they can feed the rich ;-). Now that I'm older and know better, but I still don't know what the hell to register as, as I don't follow into either sides' beliefs. I have both liberal and conservative beliefs to be honest.

 

Regardless, what does disturb me is the blatant democratic influence in the media and especially in Hollywood. Ask yourself this: Why does movie producer Rob Reiner want to take your guns away? And I love Spinal Tap like the rest of us, but Jesus, c'mon. I know what your thinking, and no, I'm not some right-wing conservative who's in the NRA ;-). But I do believe in protecting our rights that are covered in the constitution, not in rewriting them to serve my own selfish needs. Remember when Bush won the election (officially)? The person who was broadcasting this event on CNN (Clinton News Network) was almost in tears. The media should be unbiased, but it obviously ain't so.

 

What I also find to be funny is that you'd think that the mega stars getting 14-million per film would register as Republicans to protect their own financial interest, but they don't. I think it all comes down to hoppin' on the bandwagon of the popular vote. Celebrities that have been open about being conservative have always been crucified by the media, so it's often times in there best interest to go democrat. I sincerely doubt that all of these stars can share the same belief system. What this country needs is a decent candidate for an alternative party. I liked Nader, but I honestly don't believe that he was cut out to be Prez.

 

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Originally posted by DC:

So there's your answer right there; musicians support the left because the left tends to help us folks with no health insurance for example. The left supports art for art's sake as well.

 

i disagree, particularly with supporting art for art's sake. one could argue (as is happening in the UK right now) that blind support of the NEA has effectively lowered the quality of art, such that it isn't necessarily art anymore. we musicians whine and complain about sean combs sampling all sorts of things and just changing the lyrics, yet we turn a blind eye to the fact that contemporary art already pioneered that technique, most notably with changing the characters in "the last supper" for the last ten years.

 

that notwithstanding, the left suppported the Communications Decency Act and other similar censorship programs as fervently as the right. the problem that i see is that for artists and bohemians in general, the left talks a good game. but they never back it up, just like the right, when it comes time to make the government actually smaller like they promise every year. they're all generally white men in black suits living in a fantasy world inside the DC beltway.

 

when one side proposes a tax cut, the other says, "we can't afford it! that cuts into precious welfare/medicare/medicaid/social security benefits!" they never say, "we can't afford it! that cuts into the money i selfishly allocated to my district to make me more popular and re-electable! we can't afford it! we're giving more than the sum of that tax cut to corporations in america! they deserve our money, too!"

 

and, really, about taxes, leftists want to take our money away and then give it back to us as programs. why can't we keep it ourselves and buy our own insurance? can't we be trusted with our own money? why are does the government take money from the sacred middle class if the middle class needs all the financial help it can get?

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Most of the musicians I work with, other than my own band, are Bluegrass folks and are almost entirely liberals. I like to describe them as the people who didn't do quite enough drugs to follow the Jerry Garcia and the Dead. We have some interesting discussions during a three day Bluegrass festival.

 

I think it is interesting that "artists" are usually left leaning. I get the feeling they believe the government is there to take care of us and they need to be taken care of. The dirty corporations are killing us all and keeping them from succeeding in their chosen profession.

 

I have never been able to figure out why they haven't noticed the successful musicians from socialist countries like England all usually leave because of the heavy tax burden required to have the government take care of everybody. Is this what they want in America? This reminds me of some old sayings....a conservative is a liberal that hasn't been mugged yet and a successful liberal usually is more a capitalist than most conservatives.

 

Remember the days of "Joanie Phonie" when Joan Baez would arrive (in her limo) at a protest gathering to sing protest songs about killing the environment? I think anymore, most political idealogy in artists is simply because it's fashionable. Save the planet, hate the corporations, come to my two million dollar house for a million dollar party..sure we could have fed thousands but let the government do that..

 

 

 

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These are all great replies! Kudos to everybody for keeping the discussion civilized and intelligent so far... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

Just for fun, you can take a "political leaning" test here:

 

http://www.politicalcompass.org

 

I was surprised to learn that a staunchly Republican associate of mine was described as a socialist from the test...

 

 

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...which is another way of saying that we want to make money despite our efforts and our sanity. in america, it seems people believe it's their right to have money. it doesn't matter how hard i work or what my chosen vocation is, i have a right to money and an easy life.

 

the problem is, by our very nature, we care more about what we're doing than the recipients of our art. even the most passionate music/art/film/literature supporter and, for lack of better term, consumer, doesn't often have the same devotion to the music/art/film/literature unless he/she makes it, too. therefore, we are at the mercy of society to have enough wisdom to support our efforts in some way, be it buying our art or buying us food, or throwing a quarter our way when we're playing on a street corner.

 

it's either that, or we recognize our dilemma and take one of two options:

  • we decide to be poor for the sake of self-expression,we commit to our art, or
  • we decide to compromise in some way in order to achieve our own, personal living standards while also making some creative product, though hypothetically less than if creative product were our sole focus.

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Originally posted by DC:

I used to visit Plymoth England from time to time and they have a 'town artist.' He literally 'paints the town' with large murials and such and the town supports him. He can walk into any resturant (I guess like cops can around here) and receive a meal and a local business has donated him a flat so he's got a place to crash. They also buy all his paint and brushes for him.

 

See, this is where I think it's at. Community support. The biggest problem with socialism as we've defined it is scale. This type of "voluntary socialism" works great in a small community because you know the individuals you are supporting and are making a conscious choice to support them. And if somebody is genuinely a deadbeat and a burden to the community they probably will not get that kind of support. In a small community the rich can, at least in theory, look after the poor without having their banks broken. But that is not encouraged in this country. The rich keep themselves segregated from the poor in their own exclusive neighborhoods, and are encouraged to spend their time gaining and keeping more wealth and more stuff.

 

As soon as you have large centralized governments taking large portions of everyone's income, and large corporations controlling everyone's work environment, then it becomes nearly impossible to support anyone but yourself anyway. I think libertarianism can work in a small community where everyone agrees they want to be libertarian. I think socialism can work in a small community where everyone agrees they want to be socialist. As soon as it becomes a game of "let's rule the world" by any one form of government or corporation, things begin to break down no matter what. And of course, led by the U.S. mentality, the world is rapidly turning into "World, Inc." led by "one world government" which is the really seriously fucking scary thing.

 

--Lee

 

 

 

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Actually Lee, it is the European Union and United Nations that is moving to the "World Inc" thing. The US has been very schizophrenic in its approach. We send troops to the Balkans to support the EU/UN, but we draw the line when the EU/UN tries to limit US citizens individual rights, as last week when the EU/UN tried to get the US to go along with their gun control or when the US doesn't pay its UN dues!

 

You are right about libertarianism working best at the local level, but it will grow if it can start out there. If people really understood how the basic liberties that our country was founded on are being resticted and taken away, there would be a groundswell. The current system of isolated politicians who only work towards their own survival would crumble if people stood up and demanded that their rights be protected! Oh well, getting a little off subject, not that that ever happens on theses forums...

 

 

 

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The left wing tendencies with artists and musicians comes from not having the accumualation of wealth as a central motivation. It enables the left winger to have a perspective on the harm caused by fellow citizens that are dedicated toward unhampered accumulations of wealth.

 

Since the left winger isn't obsessed with accumulation, he/she is unfettered with rationalizations and idealistic philosophies that ignore that society is a working, practical system with individuals having responsibilities toward society, besides having individual rights.

 

Since artists are also dreaming pragmatists, because they have to deal with the compromises involved in making their artistic dreams a reality, they are more realistic and less encumbered with the notions of idealistic philosophies that have more in common with mathematical tautologies than real experience. This comfortableness with mathematical systems go hand in hand with most computer programmers' Libertarianism. Artists, ironically, being, more setted in reality than computer programmers, because they apply their thoughts to realizing concrete creations instead of virtual creations, understand that theory is compromised in practice and that practice appreciates a complexity that theories are often unable to incorporate.

 

Libertarianism is currently the worst political philosophy because it ascribes to a set of ideals, not founded on social pragmatism and experience but in the primacy of the individual's right to private property. It's based on an a priori assumption, the 'right to private property' instead of an empirical observation that private property is a consequence of social organization. Libertarianism is essentially idealistic and non pragmatic and that puts in the realm of utopian philosophies such as Communism and Anarchism.

 

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Originally posted by popmusic:

Can you make great music and be a diehard Republican?

 

Man... I sure hope so, or else I'm waisting a lot of time! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif

 

Actually, I'm not a "diehard" Republican, and I'm by no means "conservative", I just tend to agree more with the Republican stance on the issues I consider most important. In my teens, I considered myself a Democrat because I thought that they stood for free-thinking and humanitarian views, which I later found not to be true at all. As I began to develop my own political agenda, I found that neither party represented me well. I did, however, find that the Democratic party stood for very little that I really cared about.

 

I took the test on the website that popmusic linked. My outcome was not really that surprising, given the questions asked. I came up EXACTLY on the line as far as left/right, and just slightly libertarian. The only thing this test didn't take into account is which issues are MOST important to you. That's what sways me toward Republican when I enter the voting booth.

 

 

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on that test i am exactly in the middle of L/R and more towards the libertarian.

 

and i read more right/authoritarian views here on this board. i dont see how you think its more towards the left.

 

i think the 2 parties are such bullshit, neither one is good. the things i support arent reflected in either party. i dont think we should have welfare or that my money should support those who are capable but unwilling to work but i also think that drugs and abortion should be legal. i dont believe in amassing weapons but i would be pretty paranoid sans military. pretty libertarian ideologically.

 

i voted for gore last election because he posses intelligence whereas dubya is a complete fucking moron, i still cant believe he is president. such a fucking idiot. [what was the article about on the times?] i look at it like the president is the head of a company, would i want a person running it who is a idiot? i dont think so. the biggest problem of government is they step too far into what they think we should do personally and be able to morally do which is wrong. if i want to smoke dope or look at porn etc., i should be very able to, that is where they need to stay out of my life. if im wanting to dump toxic chemicals into the water supply fucking up the enviroment and everyones lives aroud it, then they should step in... [ironic that the complete opposite happens in our cuntry, big corps kill our enviroment while the government kills petty druggies while wasting my tax dollars in a war that cant be won and i dont want them to fight]

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I've been to fund raising and victory parties of both Democrat and Republican parties.

 

Without doubt the Democrats throw better parties. I remember one Republican fundraisr I stumbled upon at a bar in in Boston and I can remember many livlier wakes.

 

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I've been pushed to desire total anarchy. Full out revolution is the only thing that can save humanity. The elders must be overthrown. I'm thinking as of letely that Bush is an egomaniacal lunatic who is hell bent for something and it doesn't look good. Is the new admin's policy to just piss off the entire planet?

 

But, I tend to lean towards being a realist when I'm not in a fog of optimistic idealism. So my best suggestion is...

 

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Originally posted by alphajerk:

on that test i am exactly in the middle of L/R and more towards the libertarian.

 

Shit alpha...same place I scored...just slightly to the left and below dead center... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

 

Originally posted by alphajerk:

i voted for gore...

 

...the biggest problem of government is they step too far into what they think we should do personally and be able to morally do which is wrong. if i want to smoke dope or look at porn etc., i should be very able to, that is where they need to stay out of my life...

 

One thing to keep in mind alpha...Gore's wife Tipper (what the fuck kind of nickname is that anyway?), would have done just what you mentioned above!

 

Shit...Nancy Reagan musta' been smokin' some good shit when she got behind the stupid "Just Say No" crap, but Tippa' Gore was out seriously trying to be "Big Sister"...saving us from ourselves. Fuck her and Algore!

 

Anyway...this country needs a new(third/fourth) party, Nader would have been intersting, but he just wasn't all together enough to be a serious threat to either Dubya or Algore...hey, only 3 years to go and then we can all do that..."vote thing" again! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif

miroslav - miroslavmusic.com

 

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