Max Ventura Posted July 3, 2001 Share Posted July 3, 2001 The other day, while trying to initialize a backup SCSI drive, I didn't notice that my multitracker had momentarily defaulted to its internal drive, and , without looking, I hit Execute. I disintegrated three very important songs of which I had no backup yet (I was going to do that just then). I salvaged other 10 from older backup disks, but I lost all recent arrangements, edits and overdubs. Major despair and depression followed, after which, in a fit of disappointment, I even erased on purpose some other songs that were lingering around unfinished. The songs that went destroyed were the upcoming singles we were intended to push for release. I believe I could eventually re-record a couple of them, albeit not now because I have a broken shoulder following a motorcycle crash and I'm in a cast for another two months at least. But for one of them , it was very much built on some sounds from machines I don't own anymore, and frankly I couldn't have the heart to try to recreate it. The only copy I have is a rough mix on a cassette. It's an electronic-based melodic pop ballad, circa late Duran Duran/Ultravox. Would any of you be willing to try and re-create it from the cassette version? In your spare time? I'd credit you of course, and, if released, maybe even some money'd be involved... Max Italia Max Ventura, Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Zap Posted July 3, 2001 Share Posted July 3, 2001 Have you touched the drive since you initialized it? If not, there is a possibility of the data still be on there, depending on how your system works. Had it been a PC I would recommend a software called "Lost+Found" which helped me recover a supopsedly "trashed" disk and get every file back except one. /Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Ventura Posted July 3, 2001 Author Share Posted July 3, 2001 No Zap, this is a Roland VS 1680 multitracker, wonderful machine but no chance of operating onto it via data restoration. BTW Zap, do you fancy a vacation in sunny Italy's seaside, just south of Rimini - north of Ancona, in a beautiful medieval town on the coast? That's where I live. You come here with KLM or Ryan Air at Rimini's airport, stay a week or two, help me out with this song (and maybe some other) and you stay at my house (big spare room) 1 km from the beach, and you can even use my motorboat, since I'm not able to move anyway. Plus here's really inexpensive compared to DK. This message has been edited by argomax on 07-03-2001 at 09:00 AM Max Ventura, Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantovibe_dup1 Posted July 4, 2001 Share Posted July 4, 2001 gran pastasciutte.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S_Gould Posted July 4, 2001 Share Posted July 4, 2001 There's a company called Drivesavers that can recover data from all kinds of drives - it'll cost you at least a few hundred dollars, but it looks like it would be worth it to you. Remove the drive - don't even turn it on. Look on the web - www.drivesavers.com , I think. I hope this works for you. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeflora Posted July 4, 2001 Share Posted July 4, 2001 My gosh, tht sucks, I'm really sorry to hear about your ill fortunes! There are a LOT of data recovery companies. There are also a LOT of Roland VS-1680 users. I am sure that you're not the only user that has wiped their data accidentally while using this product. Look around, you'll find someone who can help. Try posting this in other forums, perhaps Rogers and a recording.org forum and maybe to the recording.audio.pro newsgroup. I don't know what Roland customer service is like, but they might be able to direct you to a data recovery specialist who can work with VS-1680 formatted drives. Let us know what happens, and hope you feel better http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif. If you live in the Washington Metro area, check out Slave Audio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeflora Posted July 4, 2001 Share Posted July 4, 2001 Hi, I'm really sorry to hear about your ill fortune! There are a LOT of data recovery companies. And, there are a LOT of VS-1680 users, many of which accidentally wiped their data like you did. Contact Roland, I don't know what their customer service is like, but they may be able to tell you of a company who can help you get your info back. Also, post an inquiry about this specialized data recovery to recording.audio.pro roger's forum here david's forum here a recording.org forum da7.com forum prorec.com forum any VS-1680 usegroups or netgroups or lists I know I'm telling you to spam the 'net, but I think this is a reasonable circumstance in which to spam! I hope you feel better, http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif. If you live in the Washington Metro area, check out Slave Audio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted July 5, 2001 Share Posted July 5, 2001 I have is a rough mix on a cassette. It's an electronic-based melodic pop ballad, circa late Duran Duran/Ultravox. Would any of you be willing to try and re-create it from the cassette version? Max, Mail me a copy, and I'll take a stab at it. You still have my address, yo? Stay off the motorbikes for awhile, bro. Musicians have to keep their limbs healthy. I know exactly where you're at: I once suffered multiple compound fractures on my right elbow (I'm right handed) in a bike accident. The first thought that went through my mind when I reached over and felt the splinters of bone, and realized that my forearm was effectively detatched from my upper arm, was "Fuck, my music, this could really fuck things up for my music." The good news is that I snagged a killer orthopedic surgeon who patched it up nicely, albeit with some limited range of motion. If you come to NYC for the AES meeting, ask me to show you the scars. But, yeah, I know it's a bitch trying to play synthes with a cast on your arm. Make sure you start physical therapy early and aggressively. The sooner you bounce back, the stronger you'll be in the long run. I know that the docs have told you this already, but I'm gonna help them beat it into your brain. DO NOT get lazy or procrastinate on your thereputic recovery. As for the other tracks that you lost: fuck it. They're gone. You still have the lyrics, so forget about re-creating EXACTLY what you had, and just re-cut those tunes as if they never existed. Everything happens for a reason. Maybe, just maybe, you were meant to do better versions of those tracks. I have lost masters several times, and the re-cuts were ALWAYS much better than what I had lost. You have to approach it as if it was meant to be. Good luck, amico. Eric Vincent Curve Dominant Sound&Vision Philadelphia Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantovibe_dup1 Posted July 5, 2001 Share Posted July 5, 2001 In bocca al lupo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted July 5, 2001 Share Posted July 5, 2001 Max, I'm really sorry to hear about this. I'd offer to give it a shot, but I'm too tied up with other commitments right now. But I would seriously consider having a data restoration company take a look at the hard disk. It can't hurt, and you might get lucky. The USA NSA could probably recover the data, but they'd have to think it contained some National Secority secret, and it probably wouldn't be a good idea to get them thinking anything like that. Sorry to joke... I've lost things before and it certainly SUX! Not to kick ya when you're down, but you know what the first law of digital recording is: If it's not saved in at least two or three places, it DOESN'T EXIST! Kids, don't let this happen to you! Back up your data regularly! Again, sorry for your loss Max. You have my sympathy. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Ventura Posted July 5, 2001 Author Share Posted July 5, 2001 Thanks everybody for the support. Unfortunately no recover is possible - the operation I performed was physical re-formatting, not just erasing the data, and it comes with optimization, which is actually like throwing the garbage out in the street, wait for the truck to collect it and seeing it burned in the incinerator - gone for good. Anyway, I have turned page, hooked up with a singer yesterday and we're tryng to get to work on other material. Eric, thanks for the offer. But why don't you take this damn vacation I ve been offering you for a year now, and come here for a couple of weeks? Maybe we can turn out something good in my studio. And also, are you guys going to have that dinner at my brother's place? Let me know so I can organize. Get as many from the Forum as they want to go. I know Dansouth wants to go (he'll lead the way), Alpha too, Craig will, Phil O'K too, whomever is there for the AES show. I'll be there in spirit because with this thing on my shoulder I can't go anywhere... Max Ventura, Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted July 5, 2001 Share Posted July 5, 2001 I Know it's the 1680 but if it's a standard scsi drive take the first guys advice and get lost and found and find somebody with a Pc and and scsi card and hook it up,you may not get all of it but you will get at least 75%.Lost and found is cheap and it works(saved my ass once),I would at least give it a shot.Also dont think that a PC can't read the VS file format,because I once took a zip disk from my 840EX and popped into my zip drive and the PC read them just fine,there just files that can be read and "saved".You don't know how close you are from getting most,if not all of your data back.Take the second guys advice and don't touch your drive until you at least try this.Don't be foolish,try it. This message has been edited by Alndln@hotmail.com on 07-05-2001 at 05:50 AM This message has been edited by Alndln@hotmail.com on 07-05-2001 at 05:56 AM "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Ventura Posted July 5, 2001 Author Share Posted July 5, 2001 Thanks, Andlin, but I did not leave the drive untouched afterwards... I had to salvage the other songs, so... I think that's just lost... Max Ventura, Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted July 5, 2001 Share Posted July 5, 2001 You still might be able to get a lot back as this software will lift a lot back from the dead.In fact I once reformatted my drive accidently and got 75% back.The software does however rename the files so you'll probably have to rename them again so the VS can reread them.If this data is important to you this is a must try. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Ventura Posted July 6, 2001 Author Share Posted July 6, 2001 Ok, I'll see where I can find this Lost & Found and give it a try. Any info you can provide as to its whereabouts? Thanks. And, you 're invited to the dinner party in NYC at my brother's restaurant. Check the post "DINNER PARTY..." Max Ventura, Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted July 6, 2001 Share Posted July 6, 2001 Bad news: Lost and found along with other software products by the Powerquest company are discontinued.Good news:I live on Long Island near Manhatten.I can either E-mail you the software(its small) with instructions or help you in person if I can somehow make it to this AES dinner thing.Either post here or Email me. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted July 6, 2001 Share Posted July 6, 2001 Originally posted by argomax: And also, are you guys going to have that dinner at my brother's place? Let me know so I can organize. Get as many from the Forum as they want to go. I know Dansouth wants to go (he'll lead the way), Alpha too, Craig will, Phil O'K too, whomever is there for the AES show. I'll be there in spirit because with this thing on my shoulder I can't go anywhere... Thanks very much for the invitation Max, but I'm tied up here in California and won't be making it to NY for AES. But maybe next time. Sounds like a great time will be had by all. Too bad about your accident and cast keeping you home in Italy. I hope you get better RSN. Thanks again, Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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