Cliches of the new millenium

[D. Gauss]

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-d. gauss

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Originally posted by Master Zap:

I must be the master of Clichés.

 

Nothing to do with the topic, but how do you get the "é" on your keyboard? (I just copied and pasted from your example, but I don't know what key combination I gotta press.)

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Originally posted by Master Zap:

Seriously: I think people who stay away from clichés intentionally are doing themselves a DISservice. If something is cool its cool, if something fits it fits, and if something works it works, and if its been done zero, three, or two-thousand times before doesnt REALLY matter now does it?

 

You can't avoid *all* of them, because if you did, you'd end up with some sort of experimental music (which would sound like a cliché of other experimental music which is deliberately trying to be inaccessible).

 

Heck, you almost have to have *some* clichés in there, or conform to *some* sort of expectation if you want the slightest bit of airplay or sales...

[ricknbokker]

Originally posted by d gauss:

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-d. gauss

 

Hear Hear!!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

 

I don't care how they did the damn "Believe" vocals, it will be over sometime in the next 5 minutes. I just heard another song on the radio (no, it wasn't mine!!), that had SCADS of that crap all over it.

 

Perhaps this is not the next cliche of the new millenium. By my way of thinking, it can only be cliche if a lot of people use it.

 

5 minutes doesn't give them a lot of time...

 

Just my opinion, but I say we vote Hiraga as resident god of this here forum...as long as he continues to drink heavily!...

Steve

[CephaloPod]

Jeez, now I know what they mean by SENIOR member! I'll take a Nirvana sound to "Louie Louie" any day!

[CephaloPod]

Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com:

 

The point is, there are no standout tunes anymore. You go to a highschool basketball game and the band is still playing Louie Louie, Wipeout and old sixties tunes because all the other songs in between have no character or personality and thus no lasting value. Can you imagine a pep band playing Depeche Mode or Flock of Seagulls tunes to a clap along crowd? Heard any good Nirvana stuff coming over the PA at the local football game? Crap, crap and more crap and it all sounds the same. It's all just sonic soup with no taste and no nourishment.

 

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[gae_layahoo.it]

what about male singers doin falsetto all the time?

and what about singers who scream their "existential angst" out a-la eddie vedder or chris cornell? soooo 90's!

and all those crap bands like hanson,matchbox 20,fuckin' crash test dummies etc?

imo,there's plenty to look back in shame.

crash test dummies...my gawd.

[Dave Bryce]

Originally posted by Duhduh:

I read an interview with the guy who recorded "Harvest". I cant remember his name, but he said he used no compression on the entire album.

 

I'm with him. I almost never use compression. I like dynamics in my music. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif

 

When I do use one, I usually use it for peak limiting.

 

dB

 

This message has been edited by Dave Bryce on 06-10-2001 at 04:57 PM

[fantasticsound]

Originally posted by Dave Bryce:

I'm with him. I almost never use compression. I like dynamics in my music. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif

 

When I do use one, I usually use it for peak limiting.

 

dB

 

I can't speak to Harvest. But when I play Elton John, Live In Australia in the car, with the built in compressor on the car stereo, I still can't find a level that allows me to hear the quiet parts (some of my favorite musical phrases) and withstand the loud parts. They took full advantage of the wide dynamic range available to them, an now that I have a comp. recording system I'm going to burn a Car Only version that's just a bit squashed!

 

Neil

[alphajerk]

singing all together has become cliche, what more is there to say? do i even care about anything anymore?

 

 

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sick of it all...

[soapbox]

Originally posted by popmusic:

What are the musical or production cliches of the '90s and early '00s?

 

There are seventy posts in this thread and I cant believe no one has mentioned the grunge cliché of quiet Verses followed by screamin Choruses! How soon we forget...

 

How about the tired cliché started by rap of looping the same chord progression over and over for the whole song? Later it was imitated by everyone else even when creating songs from scratch. They used the same chord progression over and over again with one melody over the progression for the verse and another melody over it for the chorus.

 

What about the cliché of dropping the drums out instead of doing a drum fill?

 

What about the new cliché of never fading out a song?

 

What about the age old tired clichés of Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Chorus? Snare on two and four? Songs in 4/4 time?

 

What about the nineties fear of combining keyboards with guitars in the same song? Will it lead to the end of the world?!?

 

What about the nineties fear of ever using a crash cymbal or toms in a pop song? And whatever happened to the saxophone?

 

Heres a more recent cliché: gradually raising the cutoff frequency of a filter on a synth patch or on a track.

 

Another BIG cliché: speech level singing.

 

Yet another cliché: arpeggiated keyboard acoustic guitar patches in R&B songs.

 

Comeback clichés in teen pop: orchestra hits and sampled guitar power chords.

 

How about the current trend of white rappers screaming over heavy metal music a la Rage Against The Machine? Theres a few too many soundalikes there. My nominee for "soon to be a cliché."

 

And yes, I agree: Autotune is overused as an obvious effect; and 808s got old, as did all sorts of samples and loops...

 

This message has been edited by soapbox on 06-11-2001 at 06:31 AM

[alphajerk]

fuck it, life is cliché.

 

"You can never do anything that's never been done before

You can try a different style but you'll end up on the side of

the floor, wasted..." -gibby haynes

[CephaloPod]

Ok, I don't know wht it's called, but that sudden jump up in pitch that female vocalists do at the end of select words, e.g, Alanis Morissette, Shinehead O'Connor, Sarah MacLaughlin, 4 Non Blondes, et al.

 

Morissette example: "How 'bout getting off these anti-bio *TICS!!*

 

What the hell is that? WAY too popular for awhile there.

[Kris]

I don't know if someone already mentioned acoustic guitar tracks behind hard and heavy 3 chord rock tunes.

[vintagevibe]

How about the cliche of avoiding cliches?

[Anderton]

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Are these the same guys who produced Milli Vanilli?

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

Cliche: filters. FilTers. FILterS. filTErs. FIltERs. Got a loop? Here's a filter. Drums? Filter. Guitar? Filter. And my god, you better not think of not filtering that synth track. Sweep that EQ. Automate the sweep. Loop it. And so on.

 

Not that I don't like them, BTW. But they're everywhere. Fifteen years ago, I'd call EQ something you used to fix a problem, not a creative tool. But there ya go.

 

- JK

[hiraga]

Eq/filters has been used creativily ever since it was invented. It can be used for other stuff than those obnoxious sweeps, you know..

 

Drinking is a cliché.. hangovers too... urgghh...

 

Dancing tits'n'ass is not a cliché.. I think it's been a main feature in music for at least 10.000 years... good thing too! Hahaha..

 

Western/European music is a cliché.

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Originally posted by hiraga:

Eq/filters has been used creativily ever since it was invented. It can be used for other stuff than those obnoxious sweeps, you know..

 

Like... Wah wah pedals! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Lee Flier]

Originally posted by popmusic:

And sorry Lee, as much as I respect your opinions on this forum, and as much as I'd rather hear a real drummer over a drum machine, I still gotta say that I don't mind the TR 808...

 

Well, I don't think you were here yet when I made known my credo that all drum machines are the root of all evil. So now you know. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

 

I don't know exactly why, but the song "Sexual Healing" would not have worked as well with a real drummer. (I'm assuming they used a TR 808 on that, or some variant of it...)

 

Yeah, and funny, I love Marvin Gaye but I always hated that record...

 

--Lee

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

Originally posted by hiraga:

Eq/filters has been used creativily ever since it was invented. It can be used for other stuff than those obnoxious sweeps, you know..

 

True, of course. I had an MXR flange pedal...the one with the permanent power linecord attached. Sweeeeeet! But my cliche complaint is indeed about the obnoxious sweeps to which you refer. E-ee-eeh-eheh-ehaw-awaw-awao-aooo-oooa-oaaa-aa...on every freakin' song! Give it a rest! There are other ways to get down and funky! By the way, I'm feeling the imminent return of the vocoder sound on lots of songs...thank you, Daft Punk.

 

Drinking is a cliché.. hangovers too... urgghh...

 

Well...uh...yeah. I guess. Just not a new one.

 

Dancing tits'n'ass is not a cliché.. I think it's been a main feature in music for at least 10.000 years... good thing too! Hahaha..

 

Doesn't that make it a cliche? Oh wait...I get it...you never get tired of it. Okay.

 

Western/European music is a cliché.

 

Hmmm. Perhaps you and I are both cliches as well. Perhaps the whole damn thing's a cliche! A cliche within a cliche! With a heathy dose of cliche on top! Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh!

 

- Jeff

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Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy:

Perhaps the whole damn thing's a cliche! A cliche within a cliche! With a heathy dose of cliche on top! Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh!

 

From the Simpsons:

 

Teen 1: Oh wow, it's like, that cannonball dude. He's cool.

 

Teen 2: Are you being ironic?

 

Teen 1: (sighs) I don't even know any more.

[halljams]

Technology replacing musicianship!

That is the worse cliche of all.

 

THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT SUCKS.

It numbs listeners into expecting perfection (timing and pitch) from music. The perfection i am speaking of is the unnatural synthetic sound of over editing and tuning to the point where any life and human feeling that was in the music is removed.

I am not one of those people who loves Nirvana. I am a huge fan of Steely Dan and Toto and jazz and fusion(well i used to be anyway). I also love Led Zeppelin and Deep purple etc.

I CANNOT STAND TECHNO. I don't understand how anyone can listen to it.

The super groups are dissapearing because there is nothing "super" about most of todays groups.

Good musicianship cannot be replaced by editing or midi or artificial creation of musical parts. It only creates a different animal. One that will die soon i hope!

Bad music cannot be made good by really great musicians either.

 

As far as i am concerned the equation is as follows

QUALITY PEICE OF MUSIC + SPECIAL PERFORMANCE(s) = GOOD RECORDING

 

There are different reasons to record music, i am a songwriter and my goal is to get the ideas i have down. Then hopefully get them rerecorded by someone who can do a special performance of the tune.

So sure, midi and in depth editing have their place, I just don't want to hear it on a cd i just spent money on, or on the radio every frickin' day all day long. Jesus!

Too many people just can't put their finger on the difference between sonic perfection and quality music, it turns into a blurr and all of a sudden the public's idea of quality music is synthetic shit.

 

I think a large part of the problem is that the margin for error in recorded parts has gotten smaller and the relaxed loose feeling of rock and roll has turned anal and uptight. Therefore there is a huge lack in character in people's recorded music and that carries over into the extremely lame lame lame live shows. People are afraid to be individuals cause they might blow their cahnce at a record contract or because buddy across the street's tune may be tighter and mored in tune etc. People need to do what they do and live with the end result.

Too many fakers!

 

I saw Prince a few years ago. That was the shit!!!! That was music!

 

Live performances by bands seem to be less and less about spontaneous art and more about recreating what was done in the studio. Which in too many cases was also not spontaneous in any way.

 

Unless we stop it....It's all going to shit people.

Actually i don't really believe that, I'm just anxious for it to get real again on a large scale.

 

sorry for the rant.

[hiraga]

halljams, techno is for dancing yourself into a trance... something that's completely forgotten in western/european music for centuries. But that genre, like any other, have been commercially raped and made *radio ready*.

 

We all find different needs in music.

 

Jeff, right. It's all a cliché. But fuck dat. I just want my kicks before the whole shit goes up in flames..

[Hippie]

Originally posted by halljams:

Technology replacing musicianship!

That is the worse cliche of all.

 

THE WHOLE IDEA OF IT SUCKS.

It numbs listeners into expecting perfection (timing and pitch) from music. The perfection i am speaking of is the unnatural synthetic sound of over editing and tuning to the point where any life and human feeling that was in the music is removed.

I am not one of those people who loves Nirvana. I am a huge fan of Steely Dan and Toto and jazz and fusion(well i used to be anyway). I also love Led Zeppelin and Deep purple etc.

I CANNOT STAND TECHNO. I don't understand how anyone can listen to it.

The super groups are dissapearing because there is nothing "super" about most of todays groups.

Good musicianship cannot be replaced by editing or midi or artificial creation of musical parts. It only creates a different animal. One that will die soon i hope!

Bad music cannot be made good by really great musicians either.

 

As far as i am concerned the equation is as follows

QUALITY PEICE OF MUSIC + SPECIAL PERFORMANCE(s) = GOOD RECORDING

 

There are different reasons to record music, i am a songwriter and my goal is to get the ideas i have down. Then hopefully get them rerecorded by someone who can do a special performance of the tune.

So sure, midi and in depth editing have their place, I just don't want to hear it on a cd i just spent money on, or on the radio every frickin' day all day long. Jesus!

Too many people just can't put their finger on the difference between sonic perfection and quality music, it turns into a blurr and all of a sudden the public's idea of quality music is synthetic shit.

 

I think a large part of the problem is that the margin for error in recorded parts has gotten smaller and the relaxed loose feeling of rock and roll has turned anal and uptight. Therefore there is a huge lack in character in people's recorded music and that carries over into the extremely lame lame lame live shows. People are afraid to be individuals cause they might blow their cahnce at a record contract or because buddy across the street's tune may be tighter and mored in tune etc. People need to do what they do and live with the end result.

Too many fakers!

 

I saw Prince a few years ago. That was the shit!!!! That was music!

 

Live performances by bands seem to be less and less about spontaneous art and more about recreating what was done in the studio. Which in too many cases was also not spontaneous in any way.

 

Unless we stop it....It's all going to shit people.

Actually i don't really believe that, I'm just anxious for it to get real again on a large scale.

 

sorry for the rant.

 

Ahh, the virtues of gettin' older;

When you get a few years under your belt, you start to realize that nothing lasts forever, and music changes too. The old pendelum will swing the other way in music. I've seen it do a complete flip a few times now.

Boy bands, technology in music, tight "perfect" performances, etc., all this shit we hate may very soon become completely out of style. Who would have thought a little 3 piece band out of Seattle in 1991 would completly wipe the rock music slate clean with one album? Who would have thought that swing music would become so popular again in the 90's?.. who knows what is coming next? It may become popular to be sloppy as shit, no autotune, raw. When people have had enough of something, they speak their minds, remember disco? I consider the current state of crap we all have to put up with a temporary situation. We just gotta wait it out for now. The masses aren't as hip as us, it takes them a little longer to cath on, ya know. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif

 

-Hippie

[Hippie]

..In an attempt to "keeping it real", it didn't use the spell checker, I apologize. -Hippie

[trick fall]

I have a very deep desire to beat someone to death for using a vocoder. Of course I must restrain myself. The Eddie Vedder wannabes and the Korn/Limp Bizkit wannabes and bunch of other stuff just make me wanna hurt people. Oh and lest I forget, dance music has been at one of its utterly lame periods for at least two years now.

[Botch.]

Snare drums. They put 'em on everything. Make it stop!

[strat0124]

I don't care for the "perfect recording" style you mainly see in Nashville, but has penetrated Rock as well. I'm all for doing it the old Chess way....mono hifi.......never sounded so good.

[MadFor3D]

I went into a music store recently in search of a good compressor. The salesman pointed to one of those voice/prism/harmonizer type units and said, "That's what you should really get. That's what everyones talking about".

 

I couldn't believe it. Does that type of approach really work on some people?

 

-M