- Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 In the '70s, it was the wah wah pedal. In the '80s, it was the gated snare drum sound. What are the musical or production cliches of the '90s and early '00s? What's the stuff which *might* seem cool now but we're going to look back with embarrassment in 15 years and go, "Geeeez... Did I really think *that* sounded good?!?!?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Auto-Tune... So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Posted June 8, 2001 Author Share Posted June 8, 2001 OK, my votes are for Autotune, too much compression on a mix, and sampled drum beats in pop/rock songs... Am I missing anything?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duhduh Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Over-produced, over-polished mixes with too many tracks. "Meat is the only thing you need beside beer! Big hunks of meat and BEER!!...Lots of freakin' BEER." "Hey, I'm not Jesus Christ, I can't turn water into wine. The best I can do is turn beer into urine." Zakk Wylde http://www.hepcnet.net/bbssmilies/super.gif http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15_1_109.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Dancing Heads!!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/tongue.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/rolleyes.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif (Read: Britney Spears, N'Sync, etc...) Neil It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 i dont remember a good bit of the 90's, i liked the first part of it... then it just seemed to go all downhill. autotune already has become cliche in the new millenium. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_3guy Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 That drum beat that everyone uses. Like the one that Moby uses in everyone of his tunes. Steve www.seagullphotodesign.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fet Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 1) For the last 40 years: fadeout endings. 2) For the last 15 years: a) digital reverb b) male tenors attempting to sing in the soprano range (Bolton, etc.) 3) Nowadays: distorted electric guitar. 4) Now, then and forever: verse two only half the length of verse one, the better to get to the hook/chorus again. Every pop song does this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Originally posted by alphajerk: i dont remember a good bit of the 90's, i liked the first part of it... then it just seemed to go all downhill. autotune already has become cliche in the new millenium. The day AlphaJerk passes on an opportunity to bash the Dancing Heads! I'd-a never thunk it possible! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif ------------------ Neil Reality: A few moments of lucidity surrounded by insanity. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Posted June 8, 2001 Author Share Posted June 8, 2001 Originally posted by fet: 1) For the last 40 years: fadeout endings. 2) For the last 15 years: a) digital reverb b) male tenors attempting to sing in the soprano range (Bolton, etc.) 3) Nowadays: distorted electric guitar. 4) Now, then and forever: verse two only half the length of verse one, the better to get to the hook/chorus again. Every pop song does this... Well, yeah, those are cliches I guess... Some cliches go on to become part of our music vocabulary, while others tend to peg a recording to a particular era (unless it's used in an unusual way or if it's used in very small doses). I'm interested in the cliches which most likely *won't* have lasting value 15 years from now. I mean, in the '70s, if a rock band was recording a distorted guitar with heavy, heavy flanging, there was probably a good chance no one in the studio thought, "Man, what a gimmicky sound!" http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagevibe Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Loops. Note: Wa Wa's are still cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Musically, it's been going on for a few years, probably since the late 80s...but there was/is a certain synth sound that began every pop record...stuff you hear on stations with names like "Magic FM" that drove me bananas. I'd vote for autotune, I guess. But, while we're on it, the thing that bugs the living shit out of me is a video production cliche...surfaced a couple of years ago and shows no sign of going away. It's in EVERY #$@*& COMMERCIAL on TV, almost...and car commercials are the worst. It's that stupid normal motion to sudden slo-mo and back again. It's in every car commercial. Drives me nucking futs!!! "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Posted June 8, 2001 Author Share Posted June 8, 2001 Originally posted by dino321: Note: Wa Wa's are still cool! Don't get me wrong, I *love* wah wah pedals! I've got a Crybaby and I love it... But I also own an accordion and a mandolin, so perhaps I just like collecting weird stuff... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif But snares with gated reverb... *That's* a different story!!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif This message has been edited by popmusic on 06-08-2001 at 11:27 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlChuck Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 That mannered way of enunciating that so many male singers have these days... I can't describe it well in words, but a well-know example is the way Rob Thomas sings on the recent Santana hit "Smooth." Similarly, the mannered way so many female singers try to sound "hot," ala Britney Spears when she growls "bay-bay." This message has been edited by AlChuck on 06-08-2001 at 12:15 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockbody Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Guitars tuned to "B" Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus3dbnetzero.net Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 CDs that sound more and more digital. Not just to overall sound of the CD, but particular instruments (cymbals, guitar amps) just sound "digital" harsh and unnatural. For what ever reason... Of course the average listeners ears now accept this as "the norm" (mine dont, yours probably dont either I hope) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mix2much Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 I'd have to say the mpc 2000. Who really plays a rim click through an entire upbeat song? Glenn Halldorson Premiere Radio Networks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mix2much Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Oh, I just thought of another one......the whole concept of substituing record scratches for drum fills. Glenn Halldorson Premiere Radio Networks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R. Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Drum loops. Drum loops. Drum loops. Drum loops. Drum loops. Drum loops. -David R. -David R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gchildpblutah.com Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Machine gun snare crescendos. Kind of cool, but not in EVERY song on a dance album. Techno/Dance/Eurobeat style of composition. The way they build up tension and then release is a little too routinized. Endless, pointless melismatic passages a la Mariah Carey and clones. Just because you've got the voice doesn't mean you should fill every available space. If they were guitarists I believe we'd call them "wankers". Taking a classic riff from the 70's/80's/90's, sampling it, and then pounding it into the ground as part of the rhythm track. Please, folks, a little variation please. Or, heaven forbid, you learned to be influenced by that music and then come up with your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Using obscenities in songs for shock value. Hello!! We're not shocked anymore. We just think you have no ability to articulate anything worth articulating. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJ Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 C'mon Craig! Then Godsmack would no longer have a career! Speaking of Godsmack and the like: that "Whu!!!" yell that almost all "heavy" or "aggro" bands seem to have. ------------------ KJ ------------------- bari man low KJ ------------------- "50 million Elvis Presley fans can't be all wrong" - John Prine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidCharlemagne Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 melismas and drum tracks sums it up. david grey meets whitney houston. then there's the pop singer contest i watched on tv last week. did any one see that? talk about where the cliches live and breathe. add to that the stupid ass phony dance moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 fatboy slim has become cliche. so has the 1/32nd and 1/64th note kick patterns. dancing heads are just too easy of a target anymore, it isnt even music, its barely entertainment [depending on the outfit worn and how much titty they are showing] alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 I would have to say: POOR MUSICIANSHIP and Auto Tune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Gotta agree with the drum loops. With all due respect, I do disagree with the poor musicianship part. Poor production, perhaps... For Western pop/rock music, I'd say: Loops. Too much editing. Cheap/bad digital sound. Lack of a sense of "people playing in the room". Downtuning. Out of all these, I really do not favor cheap/bad digital sound and lack of a sense of "people playing in the room". I can hang with really cool sounding loops and downtuning. Too much editing goes hand in hand with lack of a sense of "people playing in the room", unfortunately... ------------------ Ken/Eleven Shadows/d i t h er/Nectar http://www.elevenshadows.com 4 music, travel, more! http://www.cdbaby.com/elevenshadows Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 And let's not forget overuse of the Am - F - G chord progression in dance music. It is to the 90s as C - Am - F- G was to the 50s, or E - D - A to the 70s. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Zap Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 FADEOUT ENDINGS?!? Never did one in my LIFE! Originaly reason when I was using two tape decks in my parents bedroom was... I COULDNT REACH THE VOLUME KNOB! And it sticks. Everything I do ALWAYS ends... in a bang http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif AUTOTUNE! Yeah. Fun tool. Hear me Abuse it on " Robo Dance " in a good way (octave down on yours truly) 32nd and 64the kicks? Well I take the entire TRACK to 64:th, 128:th and 256:th in " Cheeze Slicer " (plus more autotune abuse, 2 octaves down on butchered rap sample, HAR HAR HAR http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/cool.gif ) GATED SNARE: Guys, THANK YOU for reminding me of that baybee. I hereby announce my next track will have a gated snare in it. Lemme see.... wahwah guitar, gated snares, autotune, machine gun fills... hmm... I feel a cool track in the making. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif /Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Oops! This message has been edited by fantasticsound on 06-08-2001 at 04:02 PM It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted June 8, 2001 Share Posted June 8, 2001 Originally posted by alphajerk: ...dancing heads are just too easy of a target anymore, it isnt even music, its barely entertainment [depending on the outfit worn and how much titty they are showing] Please... don't... let.. N'Sync show ANY MORE TITTY!!! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif Neil (Any comment, Lee Flier? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif ) ------------------ Neil Reality: A few moments of lucidity surrounded by insanity. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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