- Posted June 3, 2001 Share Posted June 3, 2001 Well, after the debates on this board about Napster... How do y'all feel about used CD stores? I know I've taken a chance on purchasing music I would have never purchased otherwise (because the price is so low)... Some of those CDs/artists are now among my all-time favorites. On the other hand, no money is going to the artist or record label, just like Napster. What's your take on it? Are used CD stores as evil as Napster? Or are they a good trading ground for those who have too many CDs they don't listen to? Fire away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted June 3, 2001 Share Posted June 3, 2001 and those used cd stores actually DO make money. i shop at them quite often. i have a number of "cutouts" and used cd's in my collection i bought for less than half of a new cd. amazingly the cd's were all in good shape too, i know mine get slowly destroyed. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artnoiser Posted June 3, 2001 Share Posted June 3, 2001 How much money do artists actually make on mechanicals? The stuff I find at used shops is usually big label stuff anyway, with some exceptions. Independent type stuff seems like it has to be ordered directly, most of the time. It's worse here in Paraguay, where cd's cost around $20, and less if you are lucky (it's all "import"). It's probably not a question of the legality of it, like it seems to be with organizations as Napster, since copyright laws are being infringed, no matter what your take on Napster and your opinion about record labels may be. It's probably more in the whole ethics arena...and speaking of ethics...fun topic. art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted June 4, 2001 Share Posted June 4, 2001 I loooooove used CD/record stores. If someone doesn't want their CD anymore, they should be able to sell it. And since the royalties have (theoretically) been paid on that initial purchase, purchasing used CDs seems to be cool as well. And as the other post said, it gives you a chance to listen to things you ordinarily might not get a chance to hear. I like the act of flipping through them and seeing them, too...and getting to know the guy behind the counter, who makes recommendations based on what s/he knows you have purchased in the past. ------------------ Ken/Eleven Shadows/d i t h er/nectar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ music*travel photos*tibet*lots of stuff "Sangsara" "Irian Jaya" & d i t h er CDs available! http://www.elevenshadows.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted June 4, 2001 Share Posted June 4, 2001 i only shop at used cd stores. fortunately here in new york, there is a ton of selection and you can get lots of brand new stuff. bought 10 discs yesterday for 50 bucks. thing is, with lower prices, i'm more liable to take a chance on something i don't know. that's how it used to be with concerts. i'd go see a band i didn't even know 'cause it cost 6 to 7 dollars (saw led zep for $8 and that was expensive!) and all my friends were going. now forget it. a new cd is 18 bucks and a concert is 75. no wonder there was napster.... -d. gauss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duhduh Posted June 4, 2001 Share Posted June 4, 2001 Originally posted by Ken/Eleven Shadows: And since the royalties have (theoretically) been paid on that initial purchase... Other than that, I dont think there's any difference between Napster and used cd's. "Meat is the only thing you need beside beer! Big hunks of meat and BEER!!...Lots of freakin' BEER." "Hey, I'm not Jesus Christ, I can't turn water into wine. The best I can do is turn beer into urine." Zakk Wylde http://www.hepcnet.net/bbssmilies/super.gif http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15_1_109.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uh Clem Posted June 4, 2001 Share Posted June 4, 2001 That seems like a fairly profound difference - you buy a single object for which the artisit is paid, you sell the single object at a loss to someone else who would like it. A middle man makes a bit for providing the service. Only one person can ever own the object at any one time. The physical CD is the insurance to all involved in producing it that payment is recieved. With Napster the objects are virtual and there is no insurance of payment to anyone. But I think Dennis Miller's comments on Napster were the best. Steve Powell - Bull Moon Digital www.bullmoondigital.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted June 4, 2001 Share Posted June 4, 2001 Originally posted by popmusic: Well, after the debates on this board about Napster... How do y'all feel about used CD stores? The same I feel about used record stores. ------------------ New and Improved Music Soon: http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demtation Posted June 4, 2001 Share Posted June 4, 2001 I have discovered countless artists of whom I have since purchased other albums from, so in my opinion it is wonderful for everyone involved, or at least harmless. The artist gets promotion, even if they or the label don't recieve revenue directly from the sale of that product (it is technically paid for anyway) After all, I don't have to (directly) pay to hear the crap on the radio. Pawn shops make for even funner music hunting. Cheaper still ($3-$5) and the kids sell off their music collections during the ski season for extra dough... I scored Citizen Steely Dan for $20! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Olsson. Posted June 4, 2001 Share Posted June 4, 2001 Can't really see the difference between a used book store or a used CD store. In the part of the world where I live, authors don't seem to object that books are being "recycled". And it's only a fraction of the total output that gets "recycled" anyway. Besides, many times it's the only place you can get out-of-print stuff. But then, on the other hand, books seldom get cloned easily at low cost... /Mats This message has been edited by mats.olsson@rockfile.se on 06-04-2001 at 06:58 AM http://www.lexam.net/peter/carnut/man.gif What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Bob Posted June 5, 2001 Share Posted June 5, 2001 Those used car lots are just ripping off the auto makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duhduh Posted June 5, 2001 Share Posted June 5, 2001 Originally posted by mats.olsson@rockfile.se: ...authors don't seem to object that books are being "recycled"... And there were very few notable musicians opposing Napster. Most were happy that their music was getting to the people. Thats the most important thing, right? Its funny. The biggest opposition to Napster was Metallica. A band who's biggest contributing success factor was underground tape trading. (Explain the difference there!)I, myself was given a Metallica tape in trade for a $5 bag of weed. LOL! This message has been edited by Duhduh on 06-05-2001 at 02:15 AM "Meat is the only thing you need beside beer! Big hunks of meat and BEER!!...Lots of freakin' BEER." "Hey, I'm not Jesus Christ, I can't turn water into wine. The best I can do is turn beer into urine." Zakk Wylde http://www.hepcnet.net/bbssmilies/super.gif http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15_1_109.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Posted June 5, 2001 Author Share Posted June 5, 2001 What prompted me to post this topic was that I went to a used CD shop this past weekend and bought/traded a bunch of CDs. I found that one of the CDs I bought involved the participation from one of the regular posters on these forums. (No, I'm *not* gonna reveal who it is!) As I was heading towards my car with a bagful of new music to listen to, I started thinking about the "support the artist, buy the CD" arguments I've often put forth in these forums (and which I normally do support). And then I felt kinda dirty... Because that particular forum poster (nor any of the other artists whose CDs I purchased) did not receive financial compensation for selling their work to me. Granted, the CD was already "sold" (or given away as a promo), but... I can see how used CD stores are different than Napster, in the sense that there is a limited quantity of CDs vs. theoretically infinite quantity of mp3s... And how there really is no difference between a used CD store and a used book store -- which I have no qualms about buying from. I feel a disconnect from the authors of books (since I don't personally know any), so I don't look at buying from a used book store as ripping off the artist, even though it is essentially the same thing we're talking about... I think I'm feeling this way since I'm a musician, I *know* how hard it is to make a living doing music full time (tried it, gave it up), and because I have personal contact with some of the artists/bands who I've bought CDs from... I'm just having really mixed feelings about the used CD thing now. I'm surprised not one poster so far has said anything negative about used CD stores... Perhaps because the prices are good (compared to new retail CDs)? This message has been edited by popmusic on 06-05-2001 at 11:52 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted June 5, 2001 Share Posted June 5, 2001 I think some of the answer depends on the intent of the person who originally bought the CD. If you buy a CD and don't like it, fine...unload it at a used CD store, where perhaps it will end up with someone who does like it. It doesn't seem fair that when you take a chance on something, that you are irrevocably committed to accepting financial responsibility for that. Most stores let you return something if it doesn't suit your needs. So you sell the CD, recoup some of your losses, and move on. The artist got the royalty, so no problem there. But if you buy the CD, burn a copy, then unload the original, that's a whole different story. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted June 5, 2001 Share Posted June 5, 2001 i bought jules cd [soup dragons this is our art] at a used cd store YEARS ago. still have it, listened to it too not too long ago after putting two and two together. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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