KARL FISHER Posted May 20, 2001 Share Posted May 20, 2001 WELL, I TRIED RUNNING MY AMPS EFFECTS SEND TO THE EQ, CUTTING DOWN THE HIGHS, AND SENDING THE SIGNAL TO THE CASSETTE DECK. THIS REDUCED THE "FUZZY" SOUND SOME, BUT IT IS STILL PRESENT. THIS WAS THE SUGGESTION THAT "DANNY AT TIARA MUSIC" GAVE ME. ARE YOU OUT THERE DAN????? THE DECK I AM RECORDING ON IS A $70.00 RADIO SHACK. I KNOW, LAUGH!!! WOULD SENDING THE LINE LEVEL SIGNAL TO MY $200.00 SONY MAKE A DIFFERENCE/BETTER ELECTRONICS INSIDE? I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE LEVEL ON MY CASSETTE DECK IS UP ABOUT 3/4 WAY, BUT THE LED METERS ARE NOT EVEN MOVING. SO I AM NOT "OVER SATURATING" THE TAPE ACCORDING TO THE METERS. DAN, HOW ABOUT SOME MORE ADVICE. KARL ------------------ Skynyrd fan forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie Posted May 20, 2001 Share Posted May 20, 2001 Dude, I've never had good luck trying to do what your doing, (guitar head DI), it always sounds to brittle/scratchy on it's own. It will work in *combination* with a mic'd sound, but by itself, noise. The send on the amp is made to be sent to an outboard "whatever" & looped back to the amp, then out the speaker. Without the speaker, it's just raw current, not very tone-worthy! I think you're in need of a speaker emulator, or a proper pre-amp, designed for going straight to tape, like a POD or a Sans amp, or a Hughes & Kettner red box,... -Hippie In two days, it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2001 Share Posted May 21, 2001 ARE YOU OUT THERE DAN????? I sure am. I understand what you're going through Karl, as I've done this same dance with direct recording myself. THE DECK I AM RECORDING ON IS A $70.00 RADIO SHACK. I KNOW, LAUGH!!! WOULD SENDING THE LINE LEVEL SIGNAL TO MY $200.00 SONY MAKE A DIFFERENCE/BETTER ELECTRONICS INSIDE? Well, the more expensive deck has a decent chance of sounding better in general, but I doubt that it will actually fix the problem. Incidentally though, don't worry about the dollar value of your gear, as you will almost certainly learn a ton about squeezing performance out of equipment this way. (A lot of us started out doing exactly what you're doing too.) The only other thing that I can think of to do with the EQ, is to run the effects send to channel 1 of the EQ, then sending the output of that channel to the EQ's channel 2, and then sending that output to the tape deck. This will effectively give you 24dB of cut and boost for each frequency. One thing that I should probably tell you as well is that graphic EQ's are not the greatest for music production. Parametrics and semi-parametrics are what you need for the greatest flexibility. (This is a discussion that we can have later, though.) Keep posting in this thread, and I'll keep it bookmarked. There IS a solution to this problem, one way or another. -Danny ------------------ Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2001 Share Posted May 21, 2001 P.S. Hippie, I agree with you 100%. I'm just trying what I can with ingredients that Karl can find in his own kitchen, as it were. -Danny ------------------ Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KARL FISHER Posted May 21, 2001 Author Share Posted May 21, 2001 DOES THIS REALLY MEAN THAT I CAN RETURN THE BEHRINGER DI-100 DIRECT BOX IN TOWARD A REFERENCE OR POWER AMP FOR MY PRACTICE JAMMIN, SINCE IT WONT HELP ME WITH DIRECT RECORDING LIKE I THOUGHT IT WOULD? THANKS. RIGHT NOW AMERICAN MUSICAL HAS THE ALESIS RA-100 FOR $199.95 I REALIZE IT ISNT A CROWN, BUT I NOT POWERING A NONCERT EITHER. IT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE BY TWO 2X12 CABS A BETTER JAMMIN SOUND THAN MY BOOMBOX CURRENTLY DOES. ANY INPUT GUYS/GALS??? ------------------ Skynyrd fan forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2001 Share Posted May 21, 2001 DOES THIS REALLY MEAN THAT I CAN RETURN THE BEHRINGER DI-100 DIRECT BOX IN TOWARD A REFERENCE OR POWER AMP FOR MY PRACTICE JAMMIN, SINCE IT WONT HELP ME WITH DIRECT RECORDING LIKE I THOUGHT IT WOULD? If that's what you want, then yes. There is a difference between a standard DI box (like the DI-100) and a box designed for recording guitar amps 'direct." Like Hippie said, the very best solutions to your problem would be something like a POD or a SansAmp. They are designed to simulate the interactions that occur when you put signal through a guitar cab speaker that is sitting in an actual cabinet. RIGHT NOW AMERICAN MUSICAL HAS THE ALESIS RA-100 FOR $199.95 I REALIZE IT ISNT A CROWN, BUT I NOT POWERING A NONCERT EITHER. IT WOULD AT LEAST GIVE BY TWO 2X12 CABS A BETTER JAMMIN SOUND THAN MY BOOMBOX CURRENTLY DOES. If the amp does what you want, sounds good through comparable cabinets, has enough power, and your impedances match up, then go for it. -Danny ------------------ Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KARL FISHER Posted May 21, 2001 Author Share Posted May 21, 2001 THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE HELP!!! I don't know why, but it just hit me like an expensive axe. Why can't I plug my guitar into my Digitech S-100 effect rack unit, then into the EQ, and then into the Rec deck????? This would not give me any overdrive, but would get the signal to the tape. I'll check back Wed the 23rd for everyone's input. You folks are great!!! I guess for know I'll go back to usin the o'l mic http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif ------------------ Skynyrd fan forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted May 21, 2001 Share Posted May 21, 2001 I would run a distortion pedal into the direct box and then into the eq and then into the effects box then into the tape deck. This should give you a decent signal (considering it's direct). Also, if you aren't getting any meter movement on the tape deck, than you aren't getting enough signal. This would be my first guess for the source of the noise, since you have the recording level knobs on 3/4. Anything past half way on those knobs is probably past any sort of fidelity. Running into the distorion first should give you the ability to raise the signal enough so the direct box/effects/tape deck will have a strong enough signal to work with. I'll give you one of my secret weapons... Distortion pedal into a H&K Red Box ($89) and into the recording device. It's not perfect, but with the right EQ, you can get a convincing tone on tape. I also use my Boss GT-3 for a lot of direct recording. I would seriously consider one of the many floor guitar devices that has all the assorted guitar effects/distortions and cabinet emulation. It would be similar to a Sans Amp or a POD, but it has more than just recording use. You can also use it in your guitar rig. Plus, they work for vocals, too. You'd be surprised how many different applications one can find for a guitar device. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif ------------------ destructive workshops ------------- Sounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 21, 2001 Share Posted May 21, 2001 Karl, I think you can see from a lot of these other posts that the best way to go with this is to use a cabinet simulator. The whole EQ method is a bit touchy and tough to make work, but I wanted to stick with the equipment you had sitting around to start with. All of that aside, the next thing for you to do is get those meters on your tape deck around the 0 mark for a good signal to noise ratio. Have fun! -Danny ------------------ Of all the things that I have lost, I miss my mind the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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