KenElevenShadows Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 I have learned from posts and threads on this very site: Kids don't like live music as much as the previous generation. Popular music is no longer a shared experience. The music business is sickeningly corrupt. Music nowadays doesn't sound as good as it used to. Popular music appeals to the lowest common denominator, and even worse -- that l.c.d. is far lower than ever before! Kids have a shorter attention span from MTV. Electronic music is not as good as people playing musical instruments. Musical genres are more fragmented than ever before, with less crossover than ever before. Music is generally worse in quality than ever before. Just thought I'd combine all this uplifting stuff into one thread! Cheers! ------------------ Ken/Eleven Shadows/d i t h er/nectar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ music*travel photos*tibet*lots of stuff "Sangsara" "Irian Jaya" & d i t h er CDs available! http://www.elevenshadows.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraga Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Hmm.. okay.. Kidz - They change their minds, live music will be in soon, then out, then in, then out. No worries.. Sharring pop - Oh, I do. With anyone into the same pop as me. It's just more local than global. Good thing.. Corrupt biz - Any biz is corrupt. Just don't take the money, then.. Todayz music - Ain't the same as yesterdayz. Progress - good thing.. Pop - No, that's called 'entertainment', and is not supposed to be interlectual, so no worries either.. MTV & Kidz - Part of natural childhood. Biz as ussual.. Electronica - Is music. All good here too.. Genres - Are gone. The subgenres is where the x-over is at. Kewl.. Music Quality - Well, that DOES FUCKING BLOW TODAY!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Not everyone agrees with all those opinions, of course... Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Ken, You seem like a good person, and Craig has vouched for that. That having been said... Get outta town for a few days. Go observe nature, and how it has a natural order, and come back with yourself in order. Life is perfect. It's your perspective on it that needs a little tweaking. Don't follow somebody else's bad example, even if "somebody" seems like the whole darn world sometimes. I know, I've been there, my good brutha. F*ck the world. Go get some fresh air, and be your own man. Your smileage will vary, and that's life...curvedominant Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Ken, I agree. This board is pretty good, but it's taken a turn for the negative lately. I'm making a concerted effort to skip any thread with the word "suck" in the title. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif Hopefully, we'll get back to more helpful topics soon. BTW: Please send me your shipping address via email. I seem to have misplaced it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Originally posted by Curve Dominant: Ken, Life is perfect. It's your perspective on it that needs a little tweaking. Don't follow somebody else's bad example, even if "somebody" seems like the whole darn world sometimes. I know, I've been there, my good brutha. [/i]curvedominant Curve, with respect, the world is definitely NOT perfect. I won't bore everyone with a litany of all the world's problems and shortcomings, but you all know they are out there, and IMO one of the things that is great about the arts in general is that they allow artists to comment about those things and make the viewer / listener THINK and reconsider the statue quo. So my advice for Ken is, if you don't like some of the things on your list, pour it out into your art and try to make a difference. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraga Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Uh come on, there's no negative vibes here! Pass the spliff and get that tape rollin'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraga Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 The World IS FUKKIN' GREAT!! (It's just filled with people who suck.. (Sorry Dan South)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Phil posts: >>Curve, with respect, the world is definitely NOT perfect.<< Phil, I said life is perfect, not the world. The world is totally f*cked up. That's what makes life so perfect. The good things are better because of so much evil. It's hard to explain, so late in the evening. I'm going to go to bed and sleep on this. Hiraga seems to understand. School 'em Hira. I need my nappy-poo. Danno, that black box you sent me is like a 10lb provologne. SWEEET and nutritious. Melts in the mind. curvedominnatredkjkl'ajio[nuo[anvujof[nvu]e v9re v80reh jv8g0rtneqvu[tnequvoi[] Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanner Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 what's that saying? generalizations are like somethin somethin...oh never mind... AMPSSOUNDBETTERLOUDER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 OK, I admit I'm guilty to contributing to some of the threads mentioned in the original post http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif ... but I'm going to try steering clear of those topics in the future. On one hand, we wouldn't be having these discussions if we didn't feel passionate about music... but I really enjoy these forums, and I wouldn't want to see the signal-to-noise ratio increase to where we're just bitching without a point. Heck -- none of the debates above even *matter* if you're making music to satisfy yourself... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif This message has been edited by popmusic on 05-14-2001 at 09:58 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Sorry if my "Kids" thread left everyone so depressed. I was making an observation that in my neck of the woods seems to hold true. I was wondering if anyone else noticed that. But I'm not depressed about it. Hey, where are those 'ludes I left here? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 : ) I think this goes back to the "musicians take themselves too seriously" vein. Artistic folks take issues with the world alot more seriously than the businessman chasin a buck, or the athlete just wanting to catch another ball. I agree, get outside, breathe deep, and enjoy just being quiet sometime. It does make all the difference in the world. Well at least to me. Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
good morning Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Ted, I don't know if your thread "depressed" people so much as showed a common (for these forums) self-absorbed attitude that helps no one. It's not going to help you -- or anyone else -- to have the view that people who don't like your music must have something wrong with THEM. Besides Ted, yours was hardly the only thread that's been negative. There are tyrants (stuck in their terrible twos) who come here and ridicule others for every belief and opinion they hold. There is no limit to their scorn, and these tyrants gleefully eviscerate the "ignorant" for differing with them on any issue, no matter how insignificant. No topic is safe. It has gotten so bad people now apologize in advance for their tastes in music (Carpenters, Bacharach, Styx, and so on), the gear they use (e.g., Roland's VS series), and their religion (esp. if one considers himself a christian). All that is pretty sick, and it doesn't help when followers curry the favor of their favorite tyrant. (I've been a little nasty with you for that reason. I apologize, now that I've regained a grip.) In general, these forums have become so negative it's easy to zip through the topics and ignore most of them. I too, ignore anything with "suck" in it. But that is tiring, and it is a waste of what could be a great place to learn about music and enjoy it with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 IMHO, things are getting better AND getting worse all the time . . . and they always have been. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraga Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Arghhhh!! Lighten the fuck UP!, jeezz.. I read most threadz, nearly all threadz (hey, I'm at work, sooo..), and I DEFINITELY don't see this black cloud.. Are we talking the same BBS? Btw, I gotta VS, I dig Bacharach and I believe in aliens as well.. No need to excuse for that, imho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraga Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 .. but I don't think Burt's an alien though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrossmusic Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 '...Music nowadays doesn't sound as good as it used to...' Isn't it funny how as people get older and older they tend to complain more and more about the music that each new generation of teenagers adopts as there own unique sound. Just imagine how those who were teens during the swing era felt when the rock and roll teens (there kids) came on the scene. Even in one genre like jazz, when some of the younger players started playing bebop the older big band players hated it. Today many an older church goer can't stand what's called contemporary gospel music. Regardless however, one thing remains fairly consistent-MUSIC IS IMPORTANT TO TEENAGERS. We will always love and never forget the 'in sound' that was happening when we were adolescents. Again MUSIC IS IMPORTANT TO TEENAGERS and a large portion of the record/radio business revolves around this natural phenomenon. The live show/concert business revolves around hit records that teens embrace. Teenagers, I suspect, spend by far the most cash on tickets and cd's than any other age group. If you make a living selling tickets, cd's or air time you most likely will be forced to keep up with what each successive high school class is listening to. Therefore, let's not be too upset with those folks over at the label or down at the radio station. They gotta eat too. Also we shouldn't be too hard on the teenagers. Remember we were all teens once upon a time even if our music does sound better (to us) than theirs. Remember again, all our elders had similar complaints about our generation's music and said so in those exact same words...'Music nowadays doesn't sound as good as it used to...:0) Lincoln This message has been edited by lrossmusic@hotmail.com on 05-14-2001 at 07:32 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 SWright wrote... >>>It's not going to help you -- or anyone else -- to have the view that people who don't like your music must have something wrong with THEM. Please remember the original topic...it had absolutely nothing to do with my own personal music...the observation was made concerning another band...youngsters playing new music. The essence of the topic was "Is there is an increasing disinterest in live music...ANY live music...among kids...the very generation to whom live music should be exceptionally important?" And for those who say "Well Ted, nobody has to like your music, and they're not brain dead if they don't.." you've missed the topic completely. I personally think if anyone *likes* my music they must be brain dead...hehehehehe.. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Yeah really, I think there are just as many misinterpretations of other people's posts are there are "negative" posts... Ted is about the last person here worthy of being picked on, he's as good humored as anyone you are likely to see, and people are picking on him for something he didn't even say. Most musicians are extremely passionate and opinionated people and I think that's OK. Adults know that someone else's opinion is not fact and we don't have to take it personally. Most of the so-called "negativity" that's been going on here seems to indicate to me that people really care about what they do and sometimes get frustrated when it is misunderstood or not appreciated. And that's all good, right? --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraga Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 What the woman said.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calfee Jones Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Ken - Not to pile on, but for the folks just getting into music, this era may yet seem like a high point! - Calfee Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraga Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 And what he said! YES! It's definitely MY time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 Posts come in waves...I noticed this even back in 1995 on AOL. Sometimes there would be negative threads for while, then just as suddenly, it was group hug time. Astrologers would say this is due to the motion of the stars/planets...some might say this is just allergy season! I think perhaps it's media-based. For example, we're all being inundated with stories about Terry McVeigh being executed -- not a happy topic in itself -- but it also brings up terrible images and memories. It can't help but affect us. There are plenty of positive topics happening on this forum, but it also provides a place to vent, and in that respect performs a valuable function. After all, identifying today's problem might inspire tomorrow's solution. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted May 14, 2001 Author Share Posted May 14, 2001 >> Get outta town for a few days. Go observe nature, and how it has a natural order, and come back with yourself in order. Life is perfect. It's your perspective on it that needs a little tweaking.>> Thanks! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Oh, you know, I think my perspective is actually not TOO bad...I definitely had the Sarcasm Mode on, Curve, but your suggestion is *always* a good one. In general, I have a really positive outlook on music. It just seemed to me that there were a lot of posts about how things weren't as good as they used to be, and sometimes, it's interesting to pop 'em all into one thread. In many respects, I think that this time has some of the most interesting music. In another thread, I listed something like three or four releases that I was completely enthralled with, and that's only been in the last week...every week I am finding really great music, and it's awe-inspiring how much great stuff is out there. And this isn't a pie-in-the-sky sort of thing -- I am definitely aware of how much crap there is as well. And Craig, yes, I am thankful that not everyone agrees with these opinions, and that those opinions are also represented on this forum. Phil -- I am, I would guess, combatting this every day by simply doing my own thing, making my own music, and hanging out with friends who play in a band with me making more music. I just think that in slapping all these often-seen comments (generalizations) in one place, it lends some perspective. Sometimes it makes the patterns clearer. Sometimes it just causes mischief. Or both. You decide... ------------------ Ken/Eleven Shadows/d i t h er/nectar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ music*travel photos*tibet*lots of stuff "Sangsara" "Irian Jaya" & d i t h er CDs available! http://www.elevenshadows.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbrock1san.rr.com Posted May 14, 2001 Share Posted May 14, 2001 This message has been edited by SteveRB on 05-14-2001 at 02:22 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricknbokker Posted May 15, 2001 Share Posted May 15, 2001 Hell, I've got enough problems and nonsense going on in my own piddling, insignificant life to be worried about the world's problems. Certainly not a 'world veiw', but a veiw nonetheless. When people start going on about things like racism, hatred, anger, angst, worry, etc ,etc, I tend to chalk it up to one simple fact...some people must have too much time on their hands (and minds). I always figure, "Take care of your own world, and the rest of the world will take care of itself" (isolationist-approved flamesuit at the ready) OR, Don't sweat the little stuff, and it's all little stuff. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted May 15, 2001 Share Posted May 15, 2001 >>Oh, you know, I think my perspective is actually not TOO bad...I definitely had the Sarcasm Mode on, Curve, but your suggestion is *always* a good one.<< Hey, Ken, Thanks for singling me out for not "getting" the irony of your post. I just went back and re-read it, and looking very closely...I can see...OH, YEAH! THERE IT IS! Don't sweat the small stuff... curvedominant Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie Posted May 15, 2001 Share Posted May 15, 2001 I'm all for strong opinions here, provided people can back up their claims. And I welcome a controversial topic of discussion, as long as its on the level (pun alert). Just as long as the topics stay relevant to the issues, and not turning into a pissin' match of insults & bantor, then we're cool. Yes? Hippie In two days, it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted May 15, 2001 Author Share Posted May 15, 2001 I wasn't trying to single you out for not "getting" it -- it really wasn't an overt presence in my post (the Sarcastic Mode thing), I don't think. Anyway, regardless, you had some good suggestions. ------------------ Ken/Eleven Shadows/d i t h er/nectar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ music*travel photos*tibet*lots of stuff "Sangsara" "Irian Jaya" & d i t h er CDs available! http://www.elevenshadows.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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