Steve LeBlanc Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 What gives me hope is that my sister's two-year-old son Angus listens to Wagner, the heavier the better. My son (22 months) is the same way, he especially likes Bela Bartok, Aaron Copeland, Jimi Hendrix and Beethoven's 6th. Brittny, Backstreet Boys or any of that other dreck comes on the radio he frowns and stops dancin. "I believe the children are our future...." hehe http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 There are plenty of people of all ages who refuse to have their tastes dictated to them, but the problem is the record industry (and television and clothing industry and all the rest) would rather preserve the illusion that there is always a "mass movement" of some kind, so that they can sell more shit to more teens. As I just posted over on David's forum, I wouldn't give a shit at all about what was on the radio if it weren't for the fact that I know so many seriously talented people who are delivering pizza or working in a warehouse for a living. None of these guys particularly care if they become "rock stars" but they wouldn't mind making enough money to support their families, and they ought to be able to do that considering so much money is being raked in by the record labels from the Britneys and Creeds of the world. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moronix Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 *****Sorry,I'll rant and rave until this synthetic unlistenable shit**** *****hopefully blows away and I can safely turn on my television**** *****again,especially when it seems to be getting worse everyday,IE:**** bands* *****that were created by television shows.There's no words in my*** *****vocabulary to describe my disgust with that new trend.**** Screaming and kicking the cat over this issue only adds more coals to the teenage rebel fire. CAN'T YOU SEE THAT THE MORE YOU RAG ON YOUNG PEOPLES STUFF THE MORE THEY WILL RATIONALIZE THAT THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. You don't remember your delight at you parents cringe when you played Led Zep or whatever. Your grandpa danced the Charlston to Race music (jazz) to make his mom and dad loose their cool.... This thread just tells me that the youngsters are doing EXACTLY what they should be doing. Hell I would be really freaked if all that my 16y/o son wanted to listen to was Dinosaur Rock. You guys are just a bunch of old farts. Now where is my cain so that I can whack my son on the ass for whearing those god awful clam digger shorts.ROTFALMAO Robert Morin Still at Alesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 >>Screaming and kicking the cat over this issue only adds more coals to the teenage rebel fire. << Hey Robert, ever think maybe YOU'RE the old fart for thinking this is really all about "teen rebellion"? It ain't! That's such an old person's excuse! "Shock value" is getting sooooo cliche. Even parents don't give a shit about it anymore. And even many teenagers realize that for the most part it isn't they who actually start these stupid trends, it's ADULTS, old farts with stock sheets and marketing studies in hand, who create Britney and N'Sync and all the rest. Get a clue. Teens may have started rap back in the late 80's and they may have started the rave/electronica movement in the 90's but other than that, give me a break. The stuff we're complaining about isn't rebellious or underground, it's totally manufactured and calculated by OLD FARTS. And lots of people nowadays, including parents AND teens, realize that. Also, not all teens listen to music just to piss off their parents. Some teens LIKE their parents, and they just listen to music because they LIKE it. I didn't give a shit one way or the other what my parents thought of the music I listened to - I just listened to what I liked! In fact, it was easier on me if they liked it because it was easier to get concert ticket money off them or get them to buy me new records. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I think this article in The Onion sums it up quite nicely: http://www.theonion.com/onion3703/marilyn_mason.html --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 05-08-2001 at 02:07 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Yeah I agree LEE. I certainly didn't rebel against the music my parents liked. I rebelled against the insane Catholic bullshit they rammed down my throat but we always dug a lot of the same music http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moronix Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: >>Screaming and kicking the cat over this issue only adds more coals to the teenage rebel fire. << Hey Robert, ever think maybe YOU'RE the old fart for thinking this is really all about "teen rebellion"? It ain't! "Shock value" is getting sooooo cliche. Even parents don't give a shit about it anymore. And even many teenagers realize that for the most part it isn't they who actually start these stupid trends, it's ADULTS, old farts with stock sheets and marketing studies in hand, who create Britney and N'Sync and all the rest. Get a clue. Teens may have started rap back in the late 80's and they may have started the rave/electronica movement in the 90's but other than that, give me a break. The stuff we're complaining about isn't rebellious or underground, it's totally manufactured and calculated by OLD FARTS. And lots of people nowadays, including parents AND teens, realize that. I think this article in The Onion sums it up quite nicely: http://www.theonion.com/onion3703/marilyn_mason.html --Lee Lee - Give me a break! How do you think Miss Spears got hear start? Are you telling me that some old cogger with a big cigar saw her when she was 4y/o and said "hey little girl if you learn to dance and sing I will make you a star when you are 14y/o"? Come on man! She had the "bug" and put in her own sweat and talent. Have you figured it out yet that most of this group of stars this thread is about came out of the "New Micky Mouse Club" show. That IS a kind of seminal talent point that was tapped by some savy talent marketing types. This is not REALLY that much different than the 70's hit machine here in Los Angeles that brought about the Eagles and Jackson Brown. OR let's talk about Motown. LOL If you do not think that the vast majority of ANYTHING you hear or heard on the radio in the last 50 years was not a best attempt to crank out a hit than you need to WAKE UP! Any band or project has to sell out to some degree or another, these kid rock bands have just done it a bit more than others before. BUT I REPEAT "JUST A BIT MORE" Did you READ the part about I wrote about getting my cane??? Do you know what ROTFALMAO means? Lighten up. Don't watch tv. I've got some extra Geritol in my desk, want some? Robert Morin Still At Alesis AND turning 40 in july Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 You totally missed the point again Robert. I have nothing against marketing campaigns. I just think it's really hilarious that you equate people dissing Britney Spears with your parents dissing you for listening to Led Zeppelin - unless you were joking. I don't think anybody's parents would think their kids were "rebellious" for listening to Britney any more than my parents would have thought I was "rebellious" for listening to the Carpenters (which rest assured, I didn't http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif). True "youth movements" like electronica, rap, punk, and early rock and jazz - THOSE were scary to parents because the kids started them on their own, performing on the street or at parties or underground clubs. By their nature they were easy for DIY'ers to make and distribute, and the subject matter often dealt with things the parents really didn't want to have to think about. It was only later that all of those movements got co-opted by the marketing types. Boy bands as "teen rebellion".... ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moronix Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: You totally missed the point again Robert. I have nothing against marketing campaigns. I just think it's really hilarious that you equate people dissing Britney Spears with your parents dissing you for listening to Led Zeppelin - unless you were joking. I don't think anybody's parents would think their kids were "rebellious" for listening to Britney any more than my parents would have thought I was "rebellious" for listening to the Carpenters (which rest assured, I didn't http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif). True "youth movements" like electronica, rap, punk, and early rock and jazz - THOSE were scary to parents because the kids started them on their own, performing on the street or at parties or underground clubs. By their nature they were easy for DIY'ers to make and distribute, and the subject matter often dealt with things the parents really didn't want to have to think about. It was only later that all of those movements got co-opted by the marketing types. Boy bands as "teen rebellion".... ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! --Lee Then it is not rebellion IYO - semantics. I guess it could be called Anti-Rebellion, whatever! All I know is that it pisses off many. Why? - Because the marketing is over the top, over hyped, over saturated. It trashes our (the old people) sensablities because it is counter to the counter culture ie; baby boomers. But wait! the counter culture was SUPPOSED to be about non-establishment. Now the boomers are the old coggers. Confused? I am. All I know is if it did not serve the needs of kids it would not be so out there. It pisses adults off and if it did not it would not be a success in the teen-kid world. Not "rebelling" and following "the Mouse" is what? - Not what I did when I was a kid. I smoked pot, dressed in clothes with holes in them, listened to zepplin and then Devo. Humm, now my daughter listens to Spears, stays clean, dresses in nice post 60's design clothes. If that is not counter to my counter than I guess she could walk around naked and listen to white noise NOW THAT would be rebellious. the "next" generation can either go up or down, left or right but will not consiously do the same as the ones before. The squeaky clean Disney thing seems to be big now. Body pearcing and grunge rock is passe` now so until something comes along to out do this it will be the squeeky clean sex gods and goddesses. My pony-tailed anthro teacher once commented "my daughter is a cheer leader, a totally opposite behavior within the context of all that my household has stood for". Robert Morin I thought there was a "t" in "rolling on the floor and laughing my ass off" still at Alesis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Originally posted by morinix: Then it is not rebellion IYO - semantics. I guess it could be called Anti-Rebellion, whatever! All I know is that it pisses off many. Why? - Because the marketing is over the top, over hyped, over saturated. It trashes our (the old people) sensablities because it is counter to the counter culture ie; baby boomers. But wait! the counter culture was SUPPOSED to be about non-establishment. Now the boomers are the old coggers. Confused? I am. Yeah you are. I think you've out-thought yourself on that one. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif There are plenty of adults who think Britney is just fine and dandy because it's "safe" pop and they'd rather their kids listened to her than Eminem or something. There are also plenty of teens who despise "teen pop". I know baby boomer-age musicians who have very "straight" kids and others whose kids are even more "radical" than they ever were, and everything in between. Some kids do as their parents do, some do the opposite, and some don't care one way or the other. I'm sorry that your anthro teacher got you so confused by teaching you to put people in pigeonholes. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moronix Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Yeah you are. I think you've out-thought yourself on that one. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif There are plenty of adults who think Britney is just fine and dandy because it's "safe" pop and they'd rather their kids listened to her than Eminem or something. There are also plenty of teens who despise "teen pop". I know baby boomer-age musicians who have very "straight" kids and others whose kids are even more "radical" than they ever were, and everything in between. Some kids do as their parents do, some do the opposite, and some don't care one way or the other. I'm sorry that your anthro teacher got you so confused by teaching you to put people in pigeonholes. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee I'm sorry the girl and boy squeeky clean bands piss you off so much. Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob4CU Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 When my 3 sons (ages 3 - 7) start dancing to the likes of 'nsync or breastny spheres we just dance along with'em and have a good time. They continue to surprise me, however, in that they'll dance to my music as well. Just last night my oldest came down when I was jamming and started playing the drumset. He was scary bad - blew me away. He has never really showed an interest and suddenly he was accompanying me on White Wedding and various other songs I hack away on. I had to hold my breath a little... Rob Crunchie Undies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 When I rant and rave it is most certainly "not" and against teenagers or "their" music,just the peer pressure machine that overwhelmingly dictates what they listen to or create which unfortunately affects everyone.Also I don't think that music written and produced buy a bunch of seasoned hacks is necessarily representitive of "kids" music. This message has been edited by Alndln@hotmail.com on 05-09-2001 at 12:28 AM "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Originally posted by Anderton: The videos look soooooo synthetic, so staged, so over-the-top visually that the music is relegated to having little real impact. It's obvious that this music is being marketed only to teens and sub-teens. The good news, I guess, is that at least kids are being turned on to music, and as they mature, hopefully their musical tastes will too. Talking about the music, I can say I like some of those works. On the other hand, there's a whole world of difference between B. Spears and C. Aguilera. One sing and the other... well, is Britney. Close your eyes and listen to the BSB and N'Sync... they have nice voices if they are the actual singers. The musicians employed for those records, though following the "magic hit recipe", are good in what they do. Also, think about this: Those groups give a lot of work to studio and live musicians... If I don't make it big with my own music, I won't be mad if someone of them take me on a tour at the keys... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif Yes. Target are Kids and Teenagers. So I guess we are loosing our time trying to understand this new breed... We all wish they will mature musically... Hey, wanna start a thread about Barney's songs?... yukkk... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif By the way, my own music is not that different from those groups... perhaps that's why I don't dislike them the way the most of you do. GusTraX Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawor Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Originally posted by GusTraX: Close your eyes and listen to the BSB and N'Sync... they have nice voices if they are the actual singers. The musicians employed for those records, though following the "magic hit recipe", are good in what they do. Also, think about this: Those groups give a lot of work to studio and live musicians... If I don't make it big with my own music, I won't be mad if someone of them take me on a tour at the keys... By the way, my own music is not that different from those groups... perhaps that's why I don't dislike them the way the most of you do. Oh man where are you from? 1. ...Close your eyes and listen to the BSB and N'Sync... they have nice voices if they are the actual singers.... Er.. you don't need a 'nice' voice anymore... just Tits 'n' Ass! You obviously haven't heard of Autotune and endless word by word vocal comping? How many of them sing live?.. please do tell. 2. ...The musicians employed for those records, though following the "magic hit recipe", are good in what they do... What musicians?... Where?... Did I miss something... Hey guys has anybody seen a real musician on any one of these things?? If so could they please point the 'real' musician out to me I think my glasses must be fogged up... dammit!! 3. ...Also, think about this: Those groups give a lot of work to studio and live musicians... Er.. read response to point 2. ..What musicians? 4. ...By the way, my own music is not that different from those groups... perhaps that's why I don't dislike them the way the most of you do... What's your bust size? This message has been edited by Rowan on 05-09-2001 at 02:43 AM "WARNING!" - this artificial fruit juice may contain traces of REAL FRUIT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrummerCafe Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 People are still listening to Led Zeppelin three decades later. Do you think anyone will be listening to Britney Spears in 2010 (less than nine years from now)? Doubtful ..... LOL Drummer Cafe - community drum & percussion forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawor Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Originally posted by Bartman: People are still listening to Led Zeppelin three decades later. Do you think anyone will be listening to Britney Spears in 2010 (less than nine years from now)? Doubtful ..... LOL Of course we will. Let me see.. 'Britney Does Dallas'... 'Behind Britneys Green Door'... 'Bend Over Britney'... 'Britneys Deep Throat Mike Technique"... er.. take that smile off your face, Mike! "OOOOH BABY.... FILL ME UP WITH YOUR BIG FAT...." "WARNING!" - this artificial fruit juice may contain traces of REAL FRUIT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Oh man where are you from? Mexico, Planet Earth, to be exact. I'm a musician and a music consumer, juts like you. Er.. you don't need a 'nice' voice anymore... just Tits 'n' Ass! You obviously haven't heard of Autotune and endless word by word vocal comping? How many of them sing live?.. please do tell. I do Know AutoTune... and I don't need it... not a lot, at least. What musicians?... Where?... Did I miss something... Hey guys has anybody seen a real musician on any one of these things?? If so could they please point the 'real' musician out to me I think my glasses must be fogged up... dammit!! Have you ever read Keyboard or any mag from the Music Player Network? I have read some very interesting articles about the road and studio warriors behind those plastic stars and they are such fine musicians. I was talking about them. I'd love to be one day like them and earn what they do by doing it. Perhaps you are that kind of person which thinks music is only classical, baroque or Jazz (?)...man, there's a whole big world out there... I am not deffending those groups. I dislike them because of their plastic condition. None of them ever dreamed on being a pro musician ever... just stars... But Read again. I was talking about THE MUSIC and who creates it. Ans I wish I had a piece of that big cake... as "star", studio or stage musician or producer... What's your bust size? I'm a guy, and YES, I'm working out to have a nice look for my fans, besides of my music. A standard showbusiness issue... and it is a healthy thing. GusTraX@yahoo.com Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Walters Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Originally posted by Bartman: People are still listening to Led Zeppelin three decades later. Do you think anyone will be listening to Britney Spears in 2010 (less than nine years from now)? Doubtful ..... LOL Probably in 2020 rather than 2010, since these things tend to go in twenty-year cycles. Right now, everywhere I go I hear the Eighties station playing Duran Duran, Men Without Hats, A Flock of Seagulls, and all the other bands everyone back then was claiming were disposable. Sure, you can hear Led Zeppelin... on the oldies station (excuse me, "classic rock"). Back when Zep was current, the oldies stations played Fifties rock. I hope you're starting to see the pattern. Anything that's a big enough hit is going to be fondly remembered by those who were teenagers when it was new. There was just as much garbage in the Seventies as there is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 I hate the term "boy band"......it's like saying the Temptations were a band.......they were a SINGING GROUP. I'll believe they are indeed a band when I see them strap on some instruments and sans the backup musicians.....bet it's a bit harder to lip sync then. Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Originally posted by Tim Walters: Anything that's a big enough hit is going to be fondly remembered by those who were teenagers when it was new. There was just as much garbage in the Seventies as there is now. Boy you said that right. I have a twentysomething friend who's waaaaayyy into 70's rock, and he's always picking my brain to tell him stories about the "good old days" when you could turn on top 40 radio and hear Led Zeppelin and the classic Stones and Aerosmith and Pink Floyd. And I'm like "Dude, I hate to break it to you, but that was never the case. If you turned on most radio stations in the 70's you were gonna hear Neil Diamond, Captain and Tennille, Elton John, John Denver, Olivia Newton-John, the Bee Gees, the Carpenters...." My friend was pretty crushed. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif 'Course, there WERE also those "album oriented rock" FM stations that DID play all the good stuff. If they still had anything like that now, I doubt that many of us would be complaining as much. The thing is, I don't think the idea of "pop music" is bad. I thought John Denver and Elton John wrote some great songs... but I mean geez, they WROTE the songs, they played 'em and sung 'em themselves. Same deal now with Hanson, to name one good example. I don't mind a catchy tune with great harmonies. It's just the manufactured cheese, and the fact that there seems to be no "mid level" place for alternatives like AOR was in the 70's and the postpunk scene in the 80's and early 90's. Now it's either N'Suck or it's totally DIY and making very little money. Imagine bands like Aerosmith (who were VERY MUCH a "cult" underground band in the 70's) or the Replacements not being able to get a record deal and having to put out their record themselves and deliver pizza for a living. They'd probably have ended up in mental wards or something. Sheeesh.... there are bands around now who could be where they were then, but no place to put them on the radio or the label roster. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alleecat_dup1 Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Their all CRAP!!!!It would be nice if the music industry would expose the youth of the world to "REAL" musicians!! You know, ones that play instruments!My son is 16 and listens to Led Zep,AC/DC, Alice Cooper, Aerosmith, Rush, thank GOD!!! He refuses to be "Polluted" by the current load of crap, pushed on kids. That the industry calls music. I try to expose my son and his friends to other bands like: Joe Satrini, Steve Vai, Larry Carlton, SRV, Jimi Hendrix, Steely Dan, Frank Zappa,Buddy Guy, B.B. King and more. I know, these are not Pop bands, But they made " real music"! Also I'm not putting down any engineer who mixed any pop band.A guy's gotta make a living. But the record companpies are open season as far as I'm concerned!!!Just my opinion!!! Alleecat :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: >>Screaming and kicking the cat over this issue only adds more coals to the teenage rebel fire. << Hey Robert, ever think maybe YOU'RE the old fart for thinking this is really all about "teen rebellion"? It ain't! That's such an old person's excuse! "Shock value" is getting sooooo cliche. Even parents don't give a shit about it anymore. And even many teenagers realize that for the most part it isn't they who actually start these stupid trends, it's ADULTS, old farts with stock sheets and marketing studies in hand, who create Britney and N'Sync and all the rest. Get a clue. Teens may have started rap back in the late 80's and they may have started the rave/electronica movement in the 90's but other than that, give me a break. The stuff we're complaining about isn't rebellious or underground, it's totally manufactured and calculated by OLD FARTS. And lots of people nowadays, including parents AND teens, realize that. Also, not all teens listen to music just to piss off their parents. Some teens LIKE their parents, and they just listen to music because they LIKE it. I didn't give a shit one way or the other what my parents thought of the music I listened to - I just listened to what I liked! In fact, it was easier on me if they liked it because it was easier to get concert ticket money off them or get them to buy me new records. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I think this article in The Onion sums it up quite nicely: http://www.theonion.com/onion3703/marilyn_mason.html --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 05-08-2001 at 02:07 PM Good points Lee! And I might add that some people were fortunate enough to learn about things from their parents and older family members that was popular "before their time". Some personal examples (flame me for my tastes if you feel you must): Patsy Cline, Johnny Cash and Big Band Swing and jazz in general - from my grandparents Buddy Holly, Little Richard, Johnny Matthis, Nat King Cole, Elvis, Cole Porter and early rock and roll and jazz in general - from my mom and dad. The Beatles, CCR, Cream, Hendrix and all the good 60's stuff from my uncle (who's ten years older than I am, and therefore was in High School in the 60's, while I was in grade school) I didn't care if it wasn't MY generation's stuff - I just cared about how I felt about the MUSIC - if I liked it, I listened to it and enjoyed it. Sure there was lots of other stuff I was exposed to that I didn't care for as much (shoot me, but I never cared for my mom and dad's Doo Wop records...) but it never mattered to me WHAT time period a song or artist was from - I care more about good songs and performances and talent. I still feel the same way today, and while I DO enjoy some new stuff, it does seem that the talent and "good songs" ratio has been declining... I feel fortunate that I was exposed to a lot of different things from a very early age. It would be unfortunate if I wasn't "allowed" to like Dave Brubeck or Dave Matthews just because they didn't originate during "my" generation. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Originally posted by GusTraX: Hey, wanna start a thread about Barney's songs?... yukkk... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif GusTraX My 12 year old daughter has Rett's syndrome and mentally is functioning at about a 2 year old level. She's loved Barney since she was three. Personally, I can't STAND the guy and enjoy all the Barney bashing stuff on the web, but if it bring a little joy to my daughter's life, I'm all for it. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 9, 2001 Share Posted May 9, 2001 Phil, Too cool! I wish my parents' and grandparents' tastes were as good as yours though. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Since they weren't (except that they did turn me onto a lot of good classical), I made it a point to seek out older musicians and pick their brains. And like you, I don't give a damn what time period anything comes from, if it's good music, it's good music. It seems stupid to ignore ANY music that you might love just because it's old, new or anything in between. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moronix Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Granted britny does take quite a bit of propping up in the vocal dept. But she did a stint on broadway before getting signed. Also she was part of the New Mickey Mouse Show and she did her time taking dance lessons in the dance studio her father owned. That does not really sound like a total Frankenstein pop music creation to me, it just sounds like a really lucky shot at marketing. Lee and Pokeefe It is really great to be exposed to music from you parents, grand parents etc. Thats how I learned about the Skillet Lickers, Bob Wills, Caruso, Elvin Jones, J.E. Mainer. I was vastly fortunate to have a father who worked for Mathis. Heck I even got to go over to his house once. He also did a session with the bass player for the Nat King Cole Trio. Being there is super cool Robert Morin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawor Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Sure there were plenty of disposable gimmick bands and songs back in the 60's & 70's but you could still tune in to mainstream radio and in amongst it all still hear some good music from some talented writers and performers. Do you think the ratio of good to bad has changed all that much since then? If we are indeed talking about the mainstream then I think the quality stuff is more diluted by the crap than it's ever been. So then why is this so? I, for one, believe it comes done to the one single thing that drives this industry and almost every other. The bottom line. $$$$$$$$$$! Talented writers, musicians and performers don't grow on trees not in the quantities that the industry needs to fuel it's fire anyway. Most talented writers/musicians/performers don't look like glizted up porn stars. Which is now becoming the standard fare of the industry. The bread and butter consumers are say the 10-15 year olds, has that really changed... probably not. The attention span for new music for a teenager is what... maybe three months? Any kind of business has to grow and keep growing to attract shareholders, investors and keep the big money men sastified. The line on the graph has to keep going up and up or people lose their jobs. More and more A & R people now come from marketing/advertising backgrounds. We have become an impatient lot. Who can bare to use a 486 anymore? Too fuckin' slow aren't they? The new generation of consumers have been trained to accept that if they are told something is the next big thing to believe it. As long as the video is has at least two scene changes per second, is full of laser light shows, has at least fifty costume changes and twenty five pelvic thrust shots it'll sell. It's no longer just the song that sells, it's the video, the interactive CD, the magazine spin offs. Okay I confess I had a plastic Beatles wig. (well it belonged to my sister really!) Today these products need to be produced more and more quickly, marketed quickly and turned over faster than ever. Talent takes time and we now have an industry that is simply no longer prepared to wait and develop talent. It is far more profitable to manufacture a product than develop an artist. Out with the old and in with the new. This philosophy has always been around but now, with the speed of technology being what it is today and will be in the future, I feel that we are beginning to approach critical mass. We will soon have 'virtual' popstars with can be made into anything the industry thinks will sell. They will be completely digitised right down to their pouting nipples. They will sing, dance, have their own TV shows and the kids will read all about their latest exploits. Milli-Vanilli was just the vocals. Be prepared for the 'virtual' Britney coming to a streaming, pay-per-view flat plasma screen in your own home... via satellite on Foxtel Direct TV. Now Pokemon was a concept wasn't it.. and Britney couldn't keep her tits away from that one. Who had shares in Nitendo? Hmmmm... Lara Croft in fishnets and high heels... singing like Tina Turner. There's a concept 'Womb Raider' 1, 2, 3, & 4... yeah!... What do reckon? There's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't sell shitloads... It'll never end... Give it five years and tell me I'm wrong. Place your bets.... P.S. I'm an Aussie and I must apologise for Rupert Murdoch... oh well he's a Yank now anyway. Wait until he and Bill Gates tie up this Direct TV deal. Then you'll really see where all this is going. This message has been edited by Rowan on 05-09-2001 at 10:31 PM "WARNING!" - this artificial fruit juice may contain traces of REAL FRUIT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Originally posted by Tim Walters: Probably in 2020 rather than 2010, since these things tend to go in twenty-year cycles. Right now, everywhere I go I hear the Eighties station playing Duran Duran, Men Without Hats, A Flock of Seagulls, and all the other bands everyone back then was claiming were disposable. There's a big differance:thosewereactualbands... Great,myspacekeydoesn'tworkanymore....... Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawor Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 >>I do Know AutoTune... and I don't need it... not a lot, at least.<< Pheeew!.. That's a Relief... someone at last with some real fuckin' credibility... oh well I sometimes use a spell checker.. but as I can't spell very well I guess that's fair enough. Just as well I don't call myself a writer then... isn't it? "WARNING!" - this artificial fruit juice may contain traces of REAL FRUIT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Walters Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 Originally posted by Chip McDonald: There's a big differance:thosewereactualbands... I'm not sure what makes a band "actual", but if hiring for musical ability instead of looks is required, none of those 80s pop bands were "actual." And let's not forget the Monkees, the original "Prefab Four". People still listen to them, and they were as fake as you please. And I don't understand why writing your own material is so important. It's only very recently that people got the weird idea that the best person to sing a song is the person who wrote it.* Rubenstein, Sinatra and Holiday didn't write their own material. I think a lot of bands would be better off hiring a songwriter. I'm not saying Britney et al. are deathless pop artists--just that I've been hearing the same complaints all my life about how pop music twenty years ago (and it's always at least twenty years ago; no one was nostalgic for Seventies rock or disco in the Eighties, believe me) was so much better than now, whenever "now" happened to be. And the nostalgia clock grinds inexorably away, and pretty soon the once-reviled era is the new golden age. There are still David Cassidy and Rick Springfield fans out there. There will almost certainly be Britney Spears fans in 2020. *I'll admit the songwriter can often bring something to a song that no one else can. But I don't think someone who's a good performer, but doesn't write, has anything to be ashamed of, or lacks credibility. We don't expect actors to be screenwriters, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 10, 2001 Share Posted May 10, 2001 >>And I don't understand why writing your own material is so important. It's only very recently that people got the weird idea that the best person to sing a song is the person who wrote it.* Rubenstein, Sinatra and Holiday didn't write their own material. I think a lot of bands would be better off hiring a songwriter.<< Uh oh. You're gonna hear it from Alpha now. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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