Lee Flier Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: Actually, I was hoping to send you a CD of my AW4416 mixes, when I get enough of them compiled. No one escapes the Spanish Inquisition! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif Ooh, can you send me a CD of AW backup files? Then I can remix all your stuff and erase all the drum machines. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 2, 2001 Author Share Posted March 2, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Ooh, can you send me a CD of AW backup files? Then I can remix all your stuff and erase all the drum machines. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Drum machines! What do I look like, Cro-Magnon Man? I have an R-8 in my living room as a conversation piece - and to ward off evil spirits like YOU. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif And just what's wrong with programming drums with a drum machine or a sequencer? It takes a lot of skill to get a good groove going. I've learned a lot about drumming (and drummers) by listening to their dynamics, fills, etc. When I see live music, I usually watch the drummer. It's fascinating, and replicating that groove takes a lot of effort and patience. Just ask those weenies who wimp out and use loops for their drum tracks. - Oops, sorry Craig, didn't see you standing there... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Dan, Thanks for the advice. I'm definitely agree with the mic suggestion. I can get a good guitar tone out of just about any mic. My drum recording and vocal recording do suffer and I'm really thinking that a few good mics will make a world of difference. I just got the new Musicians Friend and saw the D1600. Unless I see the d16 for substantialy less, I will be looking seriously at the d1600. The aw4416 is also a consideration, but the Korg and the Fostex models seem to be a good midway point. The Korgs really seem to have the best value for the buck. I'm not going to settle for anything less than 16 tracks when I make the jump. I've come to the conclusion that the automation on the aw is what is adding a grand to the price tag. As for the bass... I would be happy with anything that someone generously gave to me out of the kindness of their heart. To be honest, a 4 string would be put right to work, as I know exactly what to do with it. A 5 string would have me out in left field somewhere exploring all the various possibilities with that low B. I do tend to detune my guitar on various songs, but I usually can't stand to go any lower than C. I like the guitar to fight me a bit, due to my agressive technique. Let me put it this way....have you ever heard Kyuss? That or classic geezer would be where I would headed musically on bass. I just need something with good action and playability. And Carvin's are well known for the joy of playing them. I also noticed you mentioned the small issue with the LB-75. Are you refering to neck width? Because I don't have very long fingers. I need some of that Hendrix DNA. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif P.S. Do listen to some of my stuff and see if you think I have any talent worth endowing with some free loot. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif And thank you for the consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Originally posted by dr destructo: I just got the new Musicians Friend and saw the D1600. Unless I see the d16 for substantialy less, I will be looking seriously at the d1600. The aw4416 is also a consideration, but the Korg and the Fostex models seem to be a good midway point. The Korgs really seem to have the best value for the buck. I'm not going to settle for anything less than 16 tracks when I make the jump. I've come to the conclusion that the automation on the aw is what is adding a grand to the price tag. Well that is only one thing. There are quite a few things that contribute to the higher price of the AW... sheer sonic quality being one of them. Also: being able to record all 16 tracks at once in 24 bit, expandability (you can get expansion boards to accommodate additional analog inputs, lightpipe for transferring stuff to and from a computer, plus the upcoming Waves plugin card), more flexible routing, better pres and converters... etc. But yes, the automation is tops. If you're not quite able to afford the AW, definitely check out the Akai DPS16 too. To my mind it was the nicest machine out there aside from the AW, when I compared them all. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Lee, Good info. Yeah, I forgot about the 16 vs. 24 bit thing. 24 bit cuts you down to 8 tracks/4 record at once vs. 16/8 on 16 bit mode. I'm gonna go gawk at the Akia right now. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: No, Joe Piscopo is a JOISY boy. No one else on the planet talks like that (thank God) I know what you mean, I lived in New JERsey for about 20 years and I never talked like that either, never really heard anyone talk like that...don't know were that came from anyway. I remember a Saturday Night Live with Debby Harry and (?)Joe Piscopo(?) doing a skit where they were both saying "Where you from, I'm from Joisey",..."Hey I'm from Joisey too"...and on. I think that's where all that "Joisey" crap started. This message has been edited by miroslav on 03-02-2001 at 09:45 AM miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 I have a simple, antiquated setup, an AMD 586 - 16meg, an awe32 and an awe 64, a Line6 POD and what older versions of software will run on this machine. I'm usually reluctant to mention it and usually just lurk and read here... and learn a lot when it comes to the technical stuff in these forums... I think sound is sound and music is music, no matter how much or how little gear you have. I really believe I accomplish a great deal with what I have. My development thru the years has leaned more on the philosophy that a bit of passion and determination will bring me better merit than tons of gear. I figure I have what I have and unless life dumps a whole different set of life, heath and economic issues upon my life, this setup is what I have. It could be worse, I could have less or none. That being said, I think this is a wonderful thing you are doing Dan, offering this list of equipment you no longer need to others that might find a good need for it and give them the chance to develop themselves as artists, with a different piece of gear. I must admit I found myself experiencing a bit of gear lust as I read thru your list, especially the synth modules and the Alesis effects box. However, upon a reflection, given the way I work, (sample-based and I render all midi files for better tonal and dynamic control) I know there are many others who will find much better use for those things that I might have thought I'd want or need. I have a nice collection of EMU CD-Roms and more sounds available than I can't keep track of. So a module would just be overkill for me. I am however, very interested in that, Carvin LB-75. Just thinking about that got the little voice that's been talking to me about how nice it'd be to cut real bass tracks again stirred up. I love creating bass tracks via midi, and believe I'm starting to get quite good at it but... working with real bass tracks is a different puppy. Building an electronic bass track is like building the foundation to a house, a block at a time till you have something solid to lay the rest of your structure on. To me a real bass track is like finding a big block of stone (full of untamed power) and saying, I'm gonna carve at this (tame) till I got something I can lay this wonderful structure I'm gonna build upon it. Both ways are fine to me, I just have got to thinking what I'm trying to do will be served better with real bass. I have music at http://www.mp3.com/RednecksBustinLoose . On the site I describe it as "americana, electric folk and blues flavored jazz", which is probably a wordy way of saying, I don't know what it is. It's just music and it's me. I might suggest you listen to "Tiffany's Waltz", "Sarah's Heart" or "Daydreamers Waltz" only because the whole experience of doing this set of ten pieces has been a process of learning my set up, learning to look at guitar as a soloist rather than a sideman and looking at music without lyrics. I think in the last three above mentioned pieces I'm starting to begin to get a small glimpse of somekind of a musical identity I'm stiving to create. It's not going to be popular music. At 47 that don't seem to be important to me. ------------------ William F. Turner Guitarist, Composer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Originally posted by dr destructo: Lee, Good info. Yeah, I forgot about the 16 vs. 24 bit thing. 24 bit cuts you down to 8 tracks/4 record at once vs. 16/8 on 16 bit mode. I'm gonna go gawk at the Akia right now. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Uhhh, actually, on a AW4416 this is not true. It is capable of recording all 16 tracks at 44.1 or 48 KHz in 24 bit mode at the same time if you wish. It's not limited in that way at all. The new Roland however (VS2480) has a maximum track limit if you use the 24 bit 96 KHz option (goes down from 24 tracks to a max of 12). If you want no data compression / reduction algorithm applied to the Roland, the best it can do is the same as the AW4416 - 16 tracks, 24 bit at 48 KHz. It's a bit pricey, but a nice device. The Akai would probably be my choice too if I couldn't afford the AW. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 2, 2001 Author Share Posted March 2, 2001 Phil is correct. I've used Quick Record mode to track 16 tracks at once at 24/44.1. Works great. The only limitation is monitoring during overdubs. The AW can only play back a maximum of 8 tracks while in record mode, so you have to mute some channels during overdubs. This has never caused an issue in my (short) experience with the machine. The AW is awesome for many reasons - a truly professional tool - but if it's out of your price range, I'd definitely go the Korg route. Keep in mind that Yamaha owns Korg, and I'm sure that they pool their R&D resources when it makes sense to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 The Korg D16 is what I was refering to. It cuts the tracks in half if you use 24 bit. I did check out the Akia. Looking at the Korg D1600 (obviously the improved D16), it looks like they really took some cues from the Akia (or they wanted to make a 16bit aw4416). Korg made the machine bigger, gave it 16 faders and pan knobs, and it has a bigger drive, and the capability for an internal cr-rw. It really looks a lot like the Akia now. Does the Akia maintain the 16 track count in 24bit mode? Because the D1600 seems to still have the limitation if used in 24bit mode. This message has been edited by dr destructo on 03-02-2001 at 03:21 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 2, 2001 Author Share Posted March 2, 2001 Originally posted by dr destructo: As for the bass... I would be happy with anything that someone generously gave to me out of the kindness of their heart. To be honest, a 4 string would be put right to work, as I know exactly what to do with it. Dr. D - The 4-string is yours if you want it. It's not part of the original contest, so we don't have to wait until May. One caveat is that I used this axe on a lot of gigs, and it still has a bit of "bar smell" to it. It's a beautiful instrument, though, with nice action. Just needs a little TLC. My only issue is that I don't have a box for it - it IS in a hard case - so I'm not sure how I'm going to ship it. I'll ask at the local music stores to see if they have a box, but if you have any shipping ideas, please send them my way. Please drop me an email with your shipping address. The bass is at my parents' house in Pennsylvania, so I'll have to wait until I visit them to ship it to you. Hope that's okay. Also, I'm going to exclude you from the rest of the contest, if that's okay. We'll give someone else a chance to win something. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Dan,you ROCK !!!!! http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net6/laugh2.gifhttp://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net8/lol2.gif So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted March 2, 2001 Share Posted March 2, 2001 Dan, You've got mail! (Or soon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted March 3, 2001 Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by dr destructo: Does the Akia maintain the 16 track count in 24bit mode? Because the D1600 seems to still have the limitation if used in 24bit mode. If I recall correctly, on the Akai you can record up to 10 tracks at a time in 24 bit mode and play back all 16. When I found out you couldn't PLAY BACK all 16 tracks on the Korg in 24 bit, that soured me on it quite a bit! Just to be clear, although you can only record 10 tracks at one time, you can still overdub the other 6 later. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted March 3, 2001 Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: And just what's wrong with programming drums with a drum machine or a sequencer? It takes a lot of skill to get a good groove going. It takes a lot of skill to build a nuclear weapon too, but they still suck. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I've learned a lot about drumming (and drummers) by listening to their dynamics, fills, etc. When I see live music, I usually watch the drummer. Me too. I want to watch (and play with) a DRUMMER, not some freakin' box! And it's nowhere near as much fun to take a box home with you after the gig. Although I'll admit you may not see any benefit here. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted March 3, 2001 Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: Dr. D - The 4-string is yours if you want it. It's not part of the original contest, so we don't have to wait until May. One caveat is that I used this axe on a lot of gigs, and it still has a bit of "bar smell" to it. It's a beautiful instrument, though, with nice action. Just needs a little TLC. Dan, even for a guy who likes drum machines, I agree that you ROCK. For some of the more financially challenged musicians on this forum, to have such "benefactors" means more than anyone can say. Knowing what it's like to be so financially challenged, I know what it would have meant to me at the time. And I'm sure Dr. Destructo will consider the "bar smell" to be a bonus! Who wants a brand new instrument when you can have one that's already got "soul"! --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 03-02-2001 at 04:45 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 > Dan, even for a guy who likes drum machines, I agree that you ROCK. Thanks, but I don't ROCK, I just spend too much. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif Where do you keep coming up with this drum machine idea? I haven't used a drum machine since 1993. The sequencer gives me SO much more control. And Lee, you have no idea just how much fun I CAN have with a nice box. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted March 3, 2001 Share Posted March 3, 2001 And I'm sure Dr. Destructo will consider the "bar smell" to be a bonus! Who wants a brand new instrument when you can have one that's already got "soul"! How did you guess? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif at Lee and Dan's "box" and "drummer" remarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by Curve Dominant: >>2) one Roland JD-990 synth module<< I vow to create masterpieces with that unit for as long as it will function. Curve, you are the master of the masterpiece. Consider yourself in consideration for a JD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by Chip McDonald: I'd like the Quadraverb 2 because: A) It does great "ambient wash" effects ala Torn and Frisell B) It would let me dedicate my Intellifex in my guitar rig to doing 8 tap chorus instead of having to give that up for delay/reverb C) I'd like to be able to have it for a particular reverb/modulation thing it does with midi CC messages D) I think I can rig it for for one gig I do to have a reverb "wash" as a dedicated discrete send, which would be a cool thing to have.. E) My Intellifex won't do a discrete multitap triplet/straight bounce delay, and the Quadraverb 2 will let me do that. Uhm.... I don't really follow football, but the Steelers are alright by me...? Chip, you're losing points on football, but I'll enter you anyway. What kind of music would you make with the Q2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by argomax: I'd like to get the MC-505 because I know it well, and I appreciate it for its live usefulness; I once had it, but then I had a lot of debts to pay off and I had to let it go, with some other gear as well. I since recovered, but I haven't been able to get another one because its price steeped up quite a lot. As a studio module its sounds are not that well-defined and neither too well-sampled, however its use is best served as a rhythm pattern generator and brief sequence organizer. Plus, the ability to load sequences from a Smart Card lets you bring your work along in other studios. Unfortunately I have nothing online to listen to because I could not figure out how to put my audio thru my Imac; there seems to be some problems with the audio editor I have. My studio is, in fact, all hardware, and no processing is done thru the computer. Yet. Thank you. Max, I will definitely consider you for the 505, but we'll have to work out the shipping details if you win. You have to promise not to sell it to pay off debts, though. If you want to sell it, you have to sell it for the samy price that I charge you. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by carne_de_res: well,i'd love to have a quadraverb 2 in my little studio. i tried it out two years ago and was blown away.not only it is a good reverb-delay unit,but also a great creative tool.it allows you creating all sorts of weird effects.if i had it,i'd definitely push that machine to the max. i haven't put any work of mine on the net yet.i'm a young guy who opened a project studio in udine(italy) two months ago.i'm ignorant,but passionate and willing to learn.and definitely not a "bozo",whatever that means... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif ciao dan, gaetano Carne, are you Italian or Spanish-speaking. Your name seems to mean meat of the steak. Interesting. I have entered you for the Q2. What kind of music will you make with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by dadabobro@yahoo.com: On the other hand, my friend Marko is building a wonderful basement studio, doing it right with double floors and walls, three rooms, bathroom and crash-pad for visiting musicians. There are no .mp3s of his work on the net, but he records everything- voice-overs, commercials, folk music, fusion, you name it, and a good 100,000+ people or so hear his work every day without realizing it. The Quadraverb would be a great thing for him. If you choose to walk the path of righteousness and wisdom http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif and give the reverb unit to him, it would be a good idea to mail it to me and I'll take it across the border to him, as the post office where he lives (we were neighbors) has already managed to "lose" my LP collection, some vintage Hawaain shirts and the wedding gift from my parents. -Cameron Bobro, acting ambassador for Marko, Mojca and Aliska. Names presented in inverse order of huggableness. Cameron, I always walk the path of righteousness, but is sounds as though there are many theives in Marko's town. Are you sure that the Q2 would be safe with him? Please tell me a little more about his music or send me some at the address above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted March 3, 2001 Share Posted March 3, 2001 Dan: Drum machine, sequencer, whatever. It's all the same - it's not a DRUMMER!! Point taken about the box, though. Guess I totally set myself up for that one! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif This is so cool, Dr. D gets a bass and yet my man Khan is still in the running for the other one! It doesn't get any better than that! OH and Dr. D, I looked at your gear wants list, and here's a little more advice for ya: don't bother with an Alesis compressor. They suck. Get an RNC instead. For under $200 it is a killer compressor. Heck, even try to find a used Behringer Composer at a pawn shop (don't buy a new one cause they're a majorly unethical company and I wouldn't give them my $$$, but the Composers sound good - they ought to, they're a complete ripoff of a Drawmer!). But there is no reason to buy an Alesis as long as the RNC is out there. --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 03-02-2001 at 05:52 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by wormhole: Well I'll tell you why I deserve the Quadraverb. i have a small home studio that has been stocked by a few lucky chances and hard work. Hi Wormhole, I'll check out your music, but since I'm sending you something else (that we discussed on another forum) I'm going to pass on your entry this time around. This will allow someone else to get something. I appreciate your entry. If I decide to clear out more gear next year, please feel free to enter then, okay? Thanks, Dan P.S. I will be shipping the gear to you on Tuesday, 6 March. Let me know when it arrives, okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by MusicMan: Once upon a time there was a lonely young man named Musicman. He was ever so musically inclined, and loved new toys. But alas, his wife and his dogs and his cats and his house left no room in his wallet for new toys. MusicMan, I'll put you down for one of each. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif I'll check out your site as soon as I can. Please tell me more about your musical plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by KHAN: I can only imagine how nicely that low B would fit in my songs. Kahn, you're in consideration for a B-string! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted March 3, 2001 Share Posted March 3, 2001 ...and having a B-string is one step closer to having a whole bass, ya know! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I noticed no one else was interested in the Roland synth mod. Whew! Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 >I can't believe no one has spoken up regarding the Proteus/1. And now someone has! > for religious reasons (almost) I don't do MP3's Odd, I thought religious acts would want to get the Word across any way they could. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif I respect your wishes and have listed a surface mail address. Frankly, I'd rather not LISTEN to MP3's. I just don't want the hassle of having to return tapes and CD's. Send me whatever you'd like, Proteus Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted March 3, 2001 Author Share Posted March 3, 2001 Originally posted by MusicMan: If one more non-jersey person says, "So your from Joisey, I'll probably lose it. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif You don't know how badly I'd like to kick Piscopo's skinny little ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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