callengowanco.com Posted February 12, 2001 Share Posted February 12, 2001 Phil, You must of had some serious lag time in the studio to write a response that long sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Callen: Actually, I try to do my posting when I've finished for the night, or just before sessions or during breaks. Sorry for being so long winded. I'll have to watch that. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Originally posted by Anderton: >>As to the $10K - don't spend it all at once. Get your multitrack recording system figured out, then decide whether a hot shot compressor, reverb, or whatever is more important to you. Frankly, these days I hardly use reverb AT ALL. I'm really gravitating toward that "in your face" sound. amen, brotha. and for two reasons: 1. kills gearlust to be more reasonable about what effects you need, instead of pursuing the effects a magazine interview or review says you need. 2. the "in your face" sound is just so much more natural and comfortable. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 My gear: Roland D-20,Roland VS-1680w/burner (V-Expanded Version),Ensoniq MR-61 , I also have PowerTracks Pro that never would work with my MR-61 because it wouldn't play/record my sequences past the 1st pattern. I also have a Shure SM57 mic, an Alesis RA-100 Reference Amp, and Monitor One speakers. I also have a Digitech Vocalist VR. I'm a singer-writer that plays keys a little (very little although my sequences fool alot of music people so its not that bad) My goal is to release my music that I record in my basement. BTW its a typical finished basement room that borders a main street (possible noise problems?) in a house with small kids. I need a good, quality, manageable system. My creative time is valuable and my schedule is limited so I can't spend all my music time figuring out gear which is why I like the MR-61. I want to collaborate with a cousin that has a PARIS Pro system and Cubase. He kept his VS-880 for mobilty and I think that he has a DAT recorder. We want to travel only when needed so we need to be able to send this music back and forth. Thanks in advance for all your help. You are all great for being so willing to share! E Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: I hesitate to recommend a computer to Eli without knowing what he's planning to do. If he wants to record acoustic guitar and vocal demos, or if he wants to record his band live, a computer is the wrong way to go. Sample loops? That's a very specific product that may serve him well or may not fit his plans at all. I've never used a sample loop. Some people love them, but my ideas develop from the ground up. I can't jump into someone else's loop, add some layers and call it my own composition. Eli should try out products like this before he invests in a big, expensive setup geared to a specific technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 In addition to my last statement. I need to know should I trade in gear and upgrade and if so to what system. I will add a band and record live guitars and drums at some point. I figure that I can get about 10k in credit from 1 of the stores (Mars/Guitar Center etc al......) so that's where that $ number came from. Be creative with suggestions and remember that it needs to be simple/user friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 You will get hosed at retailers. Try e-bay. It may take longer but I've had 99% good experiences buying and selling on ebay. FYI, I got a similar budget and am going Digi001 with a Mac. See my adjacent thread (Digi001: synth/sample/etc...) regarding synths and what I want to do with music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbrock1san.rr.com Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Don't buy expensive gear off Ebay. You could get a defective piece of gear and no warranty. If you've ever had to get equipment fixed you will know just how expensive and time-consuming that is. Buyer beware. Besides, the prices aren't that less than buying new from a reputable dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callengowanco.com Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Steve I totally disagree, I equipped a $80,000 facility for less than $30,000 on ebay. If you purchase the equipment through Iescrow they give you an inspection period. You plug the stuff up, leave it running for 2 days if it doesnt crap out, send your release via email to Iescrow and the seller gets paid. If you dont like the equipment, for what ever reason, decline the deal, pack the crap up and send it back to seller, and Iescrow will send you a check back minus thier fee. I buy everything I can get my hands on through Ebay!!!! And believe it or not I have not recieved one piece of equipment that has been flawed, needed repair, or was less then what the seller stated in over two years. Not to say there isnt fraud on ebay, but I only deal with individuals who send product COD or Iescrow, and secondly I only deal with individuals with numerous/recent positive feedback. If you do this your not going to have many problems!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbrock1san.rr.com Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 I'm not that familiar with Iescrow but I'll check it out. I still have had too many problems with electronics in the last few years to not buy from a local dealer. I just returned a VCR over the weekend because it didn't work at all. My Presonus Bluetube stopped working after 2 months of use. Manufacturers are assembling equipment in different places than they used to to save money, and the quality has gone downhill in many cases. It's improved in quality depending on the product. I know I've lost confidence in some manufacturers gear. I'm glad you've had good experiences with Ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Originally posted by eli: My gear: Roland D-20,Roland VS-1680w/burner (V-Expanded Version),Ensoniq MR-61 , I also have PowerTracks Pro that never would work with my MR-61 because it wouldn't play/record my sequences past the 1st pattern. I also have a Shure SM57 mic, an Alesis RA-100 Reference Amp, and Monitor One speakers. I also have a Digitech Vocalist VR. I'm a singer-writer that plays keys a little (very little although my sequences fool alot of music people so its not that bad) My goal is to release my music that I record in my basement. BTW its a typical finished basement room that borders a main street (possible noise problems?) in a house with small kids. I need a good, quality, manageable system. My creative time is valuable and my schedule is limited so I can't spend all my music time figuring out gear which is why I like the MR-61. I want to collaborate with a cousin that has a PARIS Pro system and Cubase. He kept his VS-880 for mobilty and I think that he has a DAT recorder. We want to travel only when needed so we need to be able to send this music back and forth. Thanks in advance for all your help. You are all great for being so willing to share! E Eli, I don't want to throw a bucket of cold water on the wonderful passion of gear lust, but in terms of gear, you have everything you need already. You just need to spend some time doing three things: (1) developing your composition and arranging skills, (2) learning to get the most out of the gear that you already have, and (3) learning techniques to make your recordings sound better and better. I can appreciate the desire to have a simple, good sounding, hassle-free recording system - that's MY top priority, too - but you're not going to find a setup for any price that gives you more of these attributes than the one you have already. The Roland VS recorders are very powerful and easy to use, as are Ensoniq keyboards. Every time you add a piece of gear, you're going to have to spend time learning it. If you replace some gear via trade ins, you're going to have to start from scratch. I suggest that you roll up your sleeves, dive in, and create some music. If you continue to make recordings, evaluate them honestly and think about ways to improve them, they will get better and better. But this takes time. Good records don't come out of a box from the music dealer. They come with experience and knowledge. The only way to speed up the process is to work with experienced people and learn from them (or leave the production up to them entirely). You have a good set up. Just jump in an make the music happen. This message has been edited by dansouth@yahoo.com on 02-14-2001 at 02:14 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbrock1san.rr.com Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 I do think Eli might benefit by adding a good large diaphram condenser mic for vocals. I'd love to recommend a couple of them even though people always jump in and say "you call that good". Audio Technica 4050, Shure KSM32. If you're budget is larger then just ignore those suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Originally posted by SteveRB: I do think Eli might benefit by adding a good large diaphram condenser mic for vocals. I'd love to recommend a couple of them even though people always jump in and say "you call that good". Audio Technica 4050, Shure KSM32. If you're budget is larger then just ignore those suggestions. Agreed. And a nice compressor/preamp. The Meek VC3Q that Phil mentioned is cheap and sounds quite nice. But I think the most important think is to get over the "greener grass" phenomenon and get busy making recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli Posted February 14, 2001 Author Share Posted February 14, 2001 Thanks for the "jump in there advice". I have and will. I only wanted to make sure that in the time that I was down that I didn't miss anything. I was still sweating out sequences the old linear way and was ignorant to the pattern/cut and pase jobs that we can do now. I was using my D-20 (which I still keep because I like some of the sounds and I love the drum machine) and my friend pulled out his Ensoniq. It was either a TS something or a ASR-10. Whenever I'm out of the loop I ask questions before I jump back in there and have somebody else say, "Eli you're working too hard! Nobody does that anymore! We had a good laugh though. Thanks for the comments about learning the gear and the time factor because my 1st attempts at recording myself have been less than Grammy material! At least I know that there is hope. What about communicating/collaborating with my partner's system. LOL I've never heard of "gearlust". Maybe I can let you guys hear some of my stuff when its done. Thanks E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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