Guest Posted January 25, 2001 Share Posted January 25, 2001 Saw DP3.0 at NAM. Here is what I remember. Cant wait to upgrade. 5.1, 7.1, 10.2 support (plug-ins, panning, etc) Dual Processor G4 support Audio to Midi Pug-in (for drum replacement or layering) New Look (buttons, faders, transport) Support for VST plug-ins Optional Alti-verb Room Simulator for G4s (sounded very nice) Protools File Importing & Exporting (didnt get all the details on this one) New Plug-ins: 5.1 Delay Masterworks Gate others????? New Vision Style Graphic Editing (in addition to current Type) Edit multiple MIDI tracks in one window !!!!!!!!!! Hurray!!! Edit Audio & Midi in Graphic Editing Sizable Track Height (different tracks can be different sizes like PT) Waveform Amplitude can be scaled for viewing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Midi Notation & Transcription Keyboard Shortcuts can be customized & saved as different templates (makes changing between platforms easier) The Radikal SAC-2K now supports DP. Recorded some fades. DP recorded quickly and without a hitch. Seemed very well built, faders were nice and smooth. All plug parameter can be accessed from the LCD and V-pots. Demo was running in MIDI not USB, which probably works even better. They guy at the booth may have even said that under USB it support more than 127 static levels, although I think I could be wrong. It seems to me that it would be a limitation of DP. I am sure this would make Alphajerk very happy if this is true. Also, an 8 fader expander is available. I definitely think I will be getting one of these. With the new 733Mhz and dual 533Mhz g4s, and dual 733Mhz or dual 1Ghz surely to come, I see no need to buy a separate digital mixer or Protools now that the Radikal control surface is available. I can already run about 32 tracks & 25 plug ins (most ren eq & comp) on my single 400MHz G4. A dual 533 should be about 2.5 times faster and a dual 1Gig would be about 5 times!! Regards, Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 25, 2001 Share Posted January 25, 2001 still looking for a 10bit resolution controller without the latency of midi. they need to come up with their own procontrol. all the other features sound GREAT! 10.2? whats that? alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rader Ranch Posted January 25, 2001 Share Posted January 25, 2001 10.2? what's that? ...why, stereo 5.1 of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rader Ranch Posted January 25, 2001 Share Posted January 25, 2001 piece of garbage...never had a double post happen before...oh well This message has been edited by Rader Ranch on 01-24-2001 at 08:19 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2001 Share Posted January 25, 2001 looking at the blurb sheet, there are a few things I forgot 4 new auto panners Stationary Play head- wiper stays center, events scroll R to L CD import- entire or portions of tracks Quick Time Scrubing- editing & place audio causes quicktime to scrub Wiper Centered zooming- wiper serves as center point for zooming New Editing Tools- Draw sine, saw, square, tri, ect data into automation or midi cc data Movie Track- display frames of quick time movies in track overview More Plugins Plate reverb Quan Jr- dither&noiseshapping- also for low-fi MS decoder Bass Manager USB joystick support for 5.1 panning VocAlign support- dialog replacement As you can see, about 30% of the new features are geared toward multimedia and post production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergievsky Posted January 25, 2001 Share Posted January 25, 2001 Thanks for the update Scott. Motu apparently heard the complaints and took care of it. Good for them, and good for us. The midi updates are as significant as the audio ones. It's those little things that I think only a mature program like DP could address, and why ProTools has an incredibly long way to go before their midi features would be anywhere good enough for serious arrangers and composers. That said, I most welcome the PT file export/import since PT is still the world standard and will be for a long time to come. Now if MOTU can actually get this delivered on schedule without it being bug infested then I'd be REALLY impressed! Good job. Raul Raul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2001 Share Posted January 25, 2001 I am looking at my dp2.7 manual and it says " HUI provides a virtual resolution of 512 steps over its 100mm physical range. Fader resolution varies across this range, but as you approach unity gain, the resolution is at its most accurate (0.03dB)" Now, I think the guy at radikal said that under midi, the SAC-2K runs in HUI emulation. If this is true then do we get 512 static levels. Midi cc data is a 7 bit byte of 128 possible levels. To get around this it could be sysex data. I know that when doing fades DP intropolates to 1024 possible levels, but the static level is limited to 128 (512??) possible levels. I am going to check this one out in more detail. Maybee the SAC-2K will have a fader resolution of 512. Wouldn't that be swell http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Anybody out their using a mackie HUI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rader Ranch Posted January 26, 2001 Share Posted January 26, 2001 not that it ever means much, but is there a tentative release date for 3.0 that was mentioned at NAMM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbox Posted January 26, 2001 Share Posted January 26, 2001 Originally posted by Rader Ranch: not that it ever means much, but is there a tentative release date for 3.0 that was mentioned at NAMM? All they would say is, "sometime in 2001." Could be awhile... This message has been edited by soapbox on 01-25-2001 at 08:22 PM Enthusiasm powers the world. Craig Anderton's Archiving Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 26, 2001 Share Posted January 26, 2001 DP3 was indeed impressive. Trying to edit down the press release to fit in the NAMM show report was a trying experience, there was just too much cool stuff. But I expected an updated DP. What I didn't expect was the Altiverb that uses the velocity engine to do acoustic modelling. It's the same principle as the Big Bux Sony reverb, but at a fraction of the cost. Sure, all the DP features are nice...but Altiverb was a breakthrough. One of the guys at MOTU told me they had three home runs at the show: the 828, DP 3.0, and Altiverb. I'd have to agree. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrbreez Posted January 26, 2001 Share Posted January 26, 2001 DP 3.0 was written from the ground up. Very impressive! Altiverb is a must have! Buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 26, 2001 Share Posted January 26, 2001 828? alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwilliam Posted January 26, 2001 Share Posted January 26, 2001 In short, it's a firewire interface with 24-bit converters and ADAT sync. It will come with ASIO drivers. From Harmony-central: "MOTU, Inc. debuted the 828, a single rack-space audio interface for Macintosh and Windows 2000/NT5 personal computers with 8 channels of ADAT optical digital input/output (switchable to S/PDIF optical), RCA S/PDIF, 8 channels of balanced 24-bit analog input/output, mic pre-amps and an ADAT SYNC input for sample-accurate synchronization. In addition, the 828 provides CueMix Plus zero-latency monitoring of live input with separate front-panel volume control over the monitored input signal. The MOTU 828 connects to any FireWire-equipped windows PC or Apple Macintosh computer, such as the new G4 Cube, via standard 1394 FireWire. No PCI card or PCMCIA card is required." ------------------ Larry W. Larry W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2001 Share Posted January 26, 2001 Just found out from Mackie that the fader resolution on a HUI w/ DP or Protools is 512. He said that it does not transmit a simple midi cc message which is limited to 128. Instead it is either sysex, or some other type of midi message. If the SAC-2k works in HUI emulation, hopefully it too will have a resolution of 512. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugs Posted January 28, 2001 Share Posted January 28, 2001 Here's a link to some good info on DP3: http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/MOTU/PR/DP3.html Bugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2001 Share Posted January 29, 2001 I spoke with a person at Radikal today, and he told me the following. Fader Resolution is 256 step w/ greatest resolution around unity gain. (Fades in/out are interpolated to a higher resolution by DP, 1024??) The MIDI Driver for the SAC-2K will be available in the next few weeks. It was jointly developed by MOTU & Radikal. The USB driver is almost ready and will be released once Apple introduces USB 2.0 for Macs. With the SAC-2K hooked up via USB, there is significantly less latency then when it is run under MIDI. List Price is $1849 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 30, 2001 Share Posted January 30, 2001 >>828?<< DUDE!! Don't you read our NAMM show report?!? We've made it nice and compact so you can find the stuff you want and not have to wade through all the press release hyperbole, and we also include a link where you can go for more information if you're so inclined. Check it out!!! Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 30, 2001 Share Posted January 30, 2001 i didnt think about checking the front page http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif so thats what that is for. i saw previews for dp3 somewhere else with a nice large windowshot. droool. now controllers are going to have to come with joysticks in the place of the pan pots http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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