Philip OKeefe Posted January 15, 2001 Share Posted January 15, 2001 Hi fellow AW owners, I have a question and I need an answer as soon as you all can manage it: I'm experiencing some problems restoring a song I backed up on to the internal (stock Yamaha) CD-RW. This isn't the first time this has happend, but it is the first time I can't find the alternate backup disk. So my questions are: Have you backed up (and restored) any files to CD-RW? Have you EVER experienced any problems with the process whatsoever? What media (brand) are you using? CD-R or CD-RW? Thanks for your help! Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted January 15, 2001 Share Posted January 15, 2001 Hi Phil, I haven't tried to backup to a CD-RW yet. I have done so successfully to CD-R, but I understand some folks on the user group do seem to report a high rate of problems restoring backups, and recommend making more than one backup. No one seems to know if it's a problem with the CD's themselves or is specific to the AW. I can try backing up and restoring to a CDRW, then doing it a second time to the same disk, and see if I have any problems. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted January 15, 2001 Author Share Posted January 15, 2001 Thanks Lee. I am pretty concerned regarding this. I've tried Maxell, TDK, BASF and Memorex media; always CD-RW because I like to be enviromentally friendly when I can, and why burn a new CD-R every time you change the mix or record something new when you can (supposedly) just re-use the CD-RW? Maybe I need to have less of a "save the Earth" attitude and more of a "save the data, and save my ass" attitude when it comes to this! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif If this thing has problems restoring data (and it's now happened to me three times) then I'm gonna be majorly ticked off... especially since I still don't see a DVD-RAM on the "approved SCSI devices" list. I NEED something reliable, large capacity and fast - in that order. Seriously, it is a MAJOR problem if you buy a board in large part for its ability to recall data from removable media days, weeks or months later only to find out that you really can't rely on it. as I mentioned in my "review", I suggeest making two CD-RW's just to be safe. THIS time, neither one will load - I get a "Media Error" message when I try from either disk (Memorex CD-RW Platinum in this case). Arrgh! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/mad.gif Well, thanks for the help. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philabtinternet.com Posted January 15, 2001 Share Posted January 15, 2001 Originally posted by pokeefe777@msn.com: Hi fellow AW owners, I have a question and I need an answer as soon as you all can manage it: I'm experiencing some problems restoring a song I backed up on to the internal (stock Yamaha) CD-RW. This isn't the first time this has happend, but it is the first time I can't find the alternate backup disk. So my questions are: Have you backed up (and restored) any files to CD-RW? Have you EVER experienced any problems with the process whatsoever? What media (brand) are you using? CD-R or CD-RW? Thanks for your help! Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philabtinternet.com Posted January 15, 2001 Share Posted January 15, 2001 Originally posted by pokeefe777@msn.com: I'm experiencing some problems restoring a song I backed up on to the internal (stock Yamaha) CD-RW. This isn't the first time this has happend, but it is the first time I can't find the alternate backup disk. So my questions are: Sorry, cocked up with the last reply! You don't say what the problems are, so sorry if this is not applicable.The only time I have had problems with this process is when restoring the files, sometimes they are all set to read only as they are set to read only on the CDR. Check the attributes of all the restored files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted January 17, 2001 Share Posted January 17, 2001 I use HHB CDR80 Silver CD-R's. I have three burners, including the AW4416, and I have yet to burn an unreadable disk. I stay away from El Cheapo CD-R's, like the kind you buy at Staples or Office Max. I also burn at 2X whenever possible. Great haste makes great waste. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Ventura Posted January 17, 2001 Share Posted January 17, 2001 Hi Phil & Lee; as you may recall I was in the process of changing to the AW 4416 from the Roland VS 1680; well, I didn't do it in the end. I had the chance of getting another VS, after I sold mine, for much less money, and I thought : well, I already made a profit, I was not crazy about another 16- tracker, and I'll just wait for some 32- tracker to come out from Roland, Korg, Akai or Yamaha sometimes next year. After all, with all its limitations, the Roland VS 1680 performs as steadily as a rock, and it's VERY stable and reliable, and for the moment, the amount of work I'm doing does not justify any change. Plus, I had a couple sessions with the AW and, although I aknowledge its superior scope and power, it does show A LOT of need for system upgrades, and I noticed a large latency time when doing any operation on it. I will wait till I have this album finished, and can start on a fresh new machine with fresh songs and not have to import anything, with all the trouble that come with it. Thanx anyway, guys. Max. Max Ventura, Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 6, 2001 Share Posted February 6, 2001 Phil, Are you still having problems with backups? Have you tried a different brand or type of media or perhaps a different write speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted February 6, 2001 Author Share Posted February 6, 2001 Hi Dan: Thanks for asking. I have been doing a lot better with backups. I switched from Memorex CD-RW's to Maxell CD-R's, and I have not had any further problems. Another very useful trick I've discovered is: do the backup, and instead of trying to restore it into the AW to confirm that it worked, just take the CD and plop it into your computer's CD-ROM (or RW) drive and see if you can see the actual file. If you can see a .CFS file, the disk (in my experience) will load into the AW just fine. If you CAN'T see that .CFS file, you'd better re-do the backup! On some of the Memorex CD-RW's I was having problems with the AW restoring, the back side of the disk looked "burned" (as if it had been written to) when I looked at it, but when I tried to open the disk on the computer, there were no files in the directory. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com I am also using ISO9660 format for the CD's, and that seems to help - at least it doesn't hurt! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 6, 2001 Share Posted February 6, 2001 Originally posted by pokeefe777@msn.com: I have been doing a lot better with backups. I switched from Memorex CD-RW's to Maxell CD-R's, and I have not had any further problems. Are you backing up at 2x, 4x, or 8x? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted February 7, 2001 Author Share Posted February 7, 2001 You can't back up at 8X - max speed is 6X. This is true regardless of the speed of the drive. I use either 6 X or 4 X (if I forget to change the default from 4 x). Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 7, 2001 Share Posted February 7, 2001 Originally posted by pokeefe777@msn.com: You can't back up at 8X - max speed is 6X. This is true regardless of the speed of the drive. I use either 6 X or 4 X (if I forget to change the default from 4 x). Mmm, you're probably right. I've only used 2x thus far, so I set the preference once and never looked at that screen again. Maybe I'll try 4x, since you're having success at that speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted February 7, 2001 Author Share Posted February 7, 2001 Dan: I am pretty sure it defaults to 4 X each time so if you have not changed it before each burn, you're probably using 4 X and didn't even realize it. I wish it was a universal "set the rate once and forget it" thing, but I don't think so... Also, make sure you set read speed to 8 X and save yourself some time. Yamaha tech support told me that the drive actually DOES burn at whatever rate you have set, but the disk image file takes the same amount of time no matter what rate you set. So, the backup speed will increase with faster rates set, but it's not as great a speed difference as it would be if the disk image file wasn't in the equation. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 7, 2001 Share Posted February 7, 2001 Phil, you are absolutely correct. Before seeing your reply, I went into the Disk Utilities page to reset the speed to 4x and saw that it already was at 4x. I had assumed that this was a persistent setting. Thanks for the tip on checking file validity. I put some of my backup disks into the Mac and saw the .CFS extension. By the way, I haven't done any editing on the unit, yet. Do you know whether there's an easy way to erase regions of audio where the amplitude falls below a certain threshold? This would be great for cleaning up background noise pick up from a mic when the singer isn't singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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