Anderton Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Well, the list of nominees has been announced. You have Radiohead and Jill Scott, Eminem and NSync. Go figure. Do any of you care? Do any of you vote? Does the industry need something that awards technical excellence (not hipness, I might add - a superbly engineered album by Aaron Carter will get an award over a poorly-engineered album by [name your favorite group])? In fact, what about NARAS in general? Do you go to their events? Are you disturbed by Michael Greene's salary (very high by non-profit standards), or rumors that the MusicCares program disburses funds inefficiently? Or is there significant value of a trade association for us professionals? Fire away.... Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonemonkeyyahoo.com Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I only care enough so that I can make it a point to avoid the freak entirely. Does anyone besides me find some eerie similarities between our current era and the bubble-gum one-hit wonder psychedelic era of the mid '60s? Whatever happened to 1910 Fruitgum Company and Strawberry Alarm Clock anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I wish Sam Kinison were still alive because maybe he could explain to us how we could go from watching Hendrix/Mahavishnu to watching this stuff.What happened? "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Heck, I've never cared about the Grammys. At least, not since I was 15 and the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack beat out the Stones' "Some Girls" for Album of the Year and shattered my illusions forever. Then there was like, 1981, when Christopher Cross (anybody remember him?) walked off with like 5 Grammies. Then, my illusions weren't just shattered, they were ground up into little pieces and fed to the dogs. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I did think the Soy Bomb guy was entertaining, though! --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Aren't the Oscars the big "music night" now? guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigstarletyahoo.com Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I guess I'm a little perplexed as to why N'Sync got a "Record of the Year" nomination. I personally like Jill Scott. I think Macy Gray is WAY overrated. Destiny's Child? Puleeeeeeeeeze. Outside of that, no I don't care. Lee, can you take heart in the fact that Chris Cross is NOWHERE to be found ANYWHERE now? That there is, apparently, on ONE fan site devoted to him on the internet, and it's one that he set up himself? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif This message has been edited by bigstarlet@yahoo.com on 01-03-2001 at 07:17 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Hughes Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I just saw Christopher Cross playing live on TV the other day (I can't remember what show or what it was for, but he was doing that "ride like the wind" song). And what about Kriss Kross? I like Macy Gray, but wasn't she nominated for best new artist last year (I believe Christine Aquilera won)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST.Morigeaugte.net Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I'll be rotating the tires on the Buick that night.... Mo http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/cool.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 nope. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratman_dup1 Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Originally posted by alphajerk: nope. I'm with Alpha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 4, 2001 Author Share Posted January 4, 2001 What's interesting is that belatedly, NARAS has tried to keep up with the times, adding a remixer category, best metal, reggae, rap, etc. But the choices for nominees tend to be pretty conservative. I mean, Sheryl Crow is okay and all that, but does she really deserve to be showered with Grammies? And what about the "Best New Artist" curse (Milli Vanilli, Taste of Honey, et al)? The nomination process is indeed left in the hands of industry professionals. Perhaps that's why Destiny's Child is nominated; the production/drum sound is technically pretty impressive, despite the inherent vapidity of the song. So on one level, I have to defend the choices as representing technically competent recordings, which (as we all know!!!) is not necessarily the same as artistically competent recordings. There are very few years where I get excited about voting. A few cool artists will make it to the listings, and I'll give 'em my vote. They never win, of course . But if you take the pros out of the equation, then you end up with those "selected by the people" award shows, which usually doesn't even have the pretense of at least being technically cool. Yet winning a Grammy can give a boost to a worthy career on the edge, and some people deserve accolades that they're not going to get any other way. What would it take to get YOU interested in the Grammies? Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 First off, I'm proud of my homegirl Jill Scott. She didn't just fall into that kind of success. Jill toured nationally with Rent. That's a demanding gig. But she gets back to Chilladelph and proceeds to organize the top talent in town to record "Who Is Jill Scott?" That's the kind of achievement the Recording Academy looks for. I have to admit, though, the first time I got one of those Grammy ballots in the mail, it looked like the IRS tax form for a multi-national corporation. I think I ended up giving it to a friend. My guess is if the Grammys were voted on by the MusicPlayer.com posse, ya'll would still bitch about who won. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletcher Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Hi Craig...yes, I'm a "voting member", no I couldn't give a shit. I know I'm really old when I don't recognize a single entry in the 'rookie of the year' catagory. The rest is just the usual "sales referendum". Some of the good and bad of the nominations that I saw were: Catagory 8: Best Pop Collaboration w/vocals...Lauryn Hill (& Bob Marley)...shouldn't this just be awarded the 'Natalie Cole Musical Necrophilia' award? It was nice to see the Blue Man Group in Catagory 11; Best Pop Instrumental Album (though I didn't find it all that "pop", but then again, I haven't heard of *any of the "best new artists" either. I thought it was great that somehow the schlameels that do the nomination voting recognized Nigel Godrich [for Kid A], in addition to the 'usual suspects'. It was also great to see our very own Michael Bishop get the nod for 'best engineered Classical'!! Thought I must say, I will be going out tomorrow to pick up a copy of Paul McCartney's "Liverpool Sound Collage". Somehow that fossil ended up in Catagory 22 "Best Alternative Music Album"...if he's capable of 'alternative' with any conviction, this I want to hear...if not, new coaster time!! Yep, Beck, Radiohead, Fiona Apple, The Cure, Paul McCartney...if that doesn't scream "Alternative Music" what does? BTW, NARAS is still looking for a "director" for the 'Producers and Engineer Wing'. For some reason, somebody from NARAS e-mailed me about the gig, I responded that I was interested...but recieved no response. I guess I don't know how to suck dick in 4 languages. If you're an engineer who could actually get through a meeting [while fighting the intense desire to not bitchslap that smirk off of Michael Greene's face]...you might want to apply for the gig. Lord knows it'll just be more political ass kissing...but maybe some kind of actual change can be affected. For "technical awards" there are the annual Drek Awards hosted by a Magazine of equal credibility. I've attended a couple too many of those festivals of rubber chicken...the topper was last year's ceremony when the API 7600 was honored for "small format recording console technology"...and they hadn't shipped a single unit!!! The fuckin' thing was still 'vaporware' when the award was presented...yep...awards events just have such deep rooted, spiritual meaning. If it's all the same to y'all...I'll just lay down my $40-,pick up a half grammy somewhere, and have a few cocktails. ----- Fletcher Mercenary Audio http://www.mercenary.com Fletcher Mercenary Audio Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 4, 2001 Author Share Posted January 4, 2001 >>My guess is if the Grammys were voted on by the MusicPlayer.com posse, ya'll would still bitch about who won.<< Well, as Roger Nichols, David Frangioni, and I all live in Florida, we wouldn't bitch about it...but we would demand a recount. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 i think the only NEW release i bought this year was Outkast 'stankonia' [and it wasnt as good as aquemeni but id still vote for it over dre] and i bought my wife becks new one but i dont think its even been listened to that much. sad year for music, worse than last year if thats possible. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Worthington Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Originally posted by Curve Dominant: First off, I'm proud of my homegirl Jill Scott. She didn't just fall into that kind of success. Jill toured nationally with Rent. That's a demanding gig. But she gets back to Chilladelph and proceeds to organize the top talent in town to record "Who Is Jill Scott?" That's the kind of achievement the Recording Academy looks for. I did some consulting with her label, Hidden Beach, when they were getting off the ground. I love the album and it's been great for them. Nice to start a new label with a gold record and a grammy nomination. Now if I could only do that, I'd be able to afford one of those new Sony boards... I was also happy to see that Blue Man Group got nominated. At least it's not the usual crap. jw Affiliations: Jambé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I gave up on NARAS membership back when Tull got the nod for "Metal Album". What would it take to get me back? Well, I think one of the main problems is that any member can vote in any category. The upside is that everyone can be involved (if you meet the voting membership requirements and pay your dues) but the downside is that you have people voting for things that they know little or nothing about. Do you really want Britney Spears voting for the Best Engineered Classical album? Michael Greene does make a bit too much IMO but hey, if you can get it, who am I to complain? Except maybe there's better uses for the money. And I'm ALWAYS uncomfortable when a non-profit corp. is not wise in the use of funds. Yes, he has added some interesting new catagories and made some changes that are improvements over the past, but it always seems like they're three steps behind the curve. (Sorry Curve, no pun intended). Look at all the GREAT records that never got an award - and even worse, the smaltzy pap that got the nods instead. NARAS has too many problems for me to reconsider my membership right now. I keep hoping for the best for them though. I really would like to go back, but they keep doing things that make me go "huh?". We'll see what time brings. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annesongwriter.net Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Well I guess I'm not as hip as you people because I am a member of NARAS and I voted and last year really enjoyed going to the Grammys in LA. I entered Staples Center right next to Clint Black, who gave me a big smile and hello, I got to see many big names in the music industry and I thrilled at seeing Santana perform on stage. The whole experience gave me a feeling of belonging to the music business, even in my own indie way. If I ever get nominated for whatever category, I can assure you I would be thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I don't think the Grammys have any long term/big picture effect on anything or anyone. I rarely watch them, the Oscars, the MTV Awards...etc. Many have won Grammys and died musically, and some have won and gone on to bigger things...no real science here at all. But, I believe if you are nominated, it must be exciting, and if you win it must feel good. Anyone that says otherwise, is probably just bitter and jealous. All these award shows are just that... SHOWS, and they can be entertaining,... is Jennifer Lopez attending? The Grammys are not some TRUE test/measure/proof of talent, BUT, most people that are nominated/win, ARE talented people, with some occasional lemons thrown in every year. The Billboard Charts are not proof of talent either, but I am sure if any one here had a "top 20 hit with a bullet", THEY WOULD LOVE IT!!! So... let the Grammys, the Oscars, People's Choice...etc, continue. This is not the Outer Limits. YOU have control of YOUR television set. miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throatsinger Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Heh, something about a rodent's kiester comes to mind. But as Anne said, that'll change a bit when I win one. Steve Sklar/Big Sky www.bigskyrocks.com This message has been edited by Steve Sklar on 01-04-2001 at 11:34 AM Steve Sklar http://khoomei.com http://www.bigskyrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Originally posted by Steve Sklar: Heh, something about a rodent's kiester comes to mind. But as Anne said, that'll change a bit when I win one. Why? See, this is what I don't understand: if you've just declared somebody to be unfit to judge your work, based on their past track record, then why would you be willing to accept their praise? If the same voters who just gave N'Sync an award gave you one, why would suddenly you think it means anything? Maybe this doesn't apply as much to people who do soundtracks or pop music, who are great technical craftsmen and appreciate being recognized by their peers. That's cool. But of course, a large percentage of artists are kinda disenfranchised by that crowd, and prefer it that way. If anything, if I ever won a Grammy I'd use it as an opportunity to let them know what I think of THEM. It kills me when somebody like a punk band or a rapper happens to win a Grammy and they get all dressed up in a tux or whatever and make the gushing speeches. If I got nominated for a Grammy I'd show up in ripped up jeans or whatever had gotten me to the party in the first place, and if I won I'd use my airtime to make it very clear that I felt the organization had no balls and that if anything, they were probably handing me the award to enhance THEIR credibility, it certainly wasn't going do anything to enhance mine. [and I don't really mean to give the impression that I think my work is that important, I'm only speaking hypothetically here!] I'd probably tell 'em even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Yeah, that'd fix 'em. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif And therein lies the paradox of the Grammies vs. modern music, I guess - rock'n'roll, hip hop, the rave movement - all these things were based on rejecting institutions, on spontaneous expression. Yet an institution that's obviously anything but spontaneous tries to bestow awards on them and make them respectable. I don't really know how you reconcile those two things unless you just show up and rock their world a little, and publicly reject the whole thing. That would be in keeping with the spirit that got you there, and who knows, it might even do some good for the organization. --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 01-04-2001 at 12:10 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throatsinger Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Lee, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't being judgemental, or saying anyone's unfit to judge my work. I just don't give the proverbial rat's ass about the Grammies. I pay it no mind. Usually don't know or really care who won, other than what I hear about. Don't care what they wore, either http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif As someone pointed out, while not necessarily a career-maker, it's not exactly bad for the resume, so I wouldn't quite hide the fact, you know. As for rock'n'roll, hip hop, the rave movement, they're institutions. Spontaneous expression is not necessarily what comes to my mind. More formulaic, actually... Steve www.bigskyrocks.com This message has been edited by Steve Sklar on 01-04-2001 at 12:30 PM Steve Sklar http://khoomei.com http://www.bigskyrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 I was please to see that a Native American Music category was added, but I concur with Phil's reservations about who is qualified to vote for such a specialized category. The inherent problem for music awards is that music is such a diverse art form. There are so many idioms and so many unique styles within each of these. The standard for for a successful recording is the Gold Record, or 500,000 units. That means that, in the U.S. alone, only one person in 600 bought the album. The other 599 think it sucks, never heard of it, or didn't care enought to shell out thirteen bucks. So if that record wins "Best Album", it's nice, but it in no way reflects what MOST people are listening to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 Originally posted by Steve Sklar: Lee, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't being judgemental, or saying anyone's unfit to judge my work. You're right, I didn't really think you personally were saying that and I probably shouldn't have picked on you. But I am getting that feeling from some other people, like "the Grammys don't mean shit" on one hand, but "it'd be great to win one" on the other. If someone really wants to win one, then the "don't mean shit" comments come off more as sour grapes than anything else. But that's just a general comment; it wasn't really directed at you. As for rock'n'roll, hip hop, the rave movement, they're institutions. Spontaneous expression is not necessarily what comes to my mind. More formulaic, actually... In practice most of the time, yes. For those who relate to, and remain true to the original spirit of those idioms, no. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 Grammies? We don' need no steenkeen' grammies! It's too bad that someone doesn't come up with a meaningful award. I mean, let Celine Dion have her grammies, and let others have some other award that means something to them. Wasn't it Jethro Tull that won in the "heavy metal" category and beat out Metallica one year? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyphus Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 Hey, I'd take Jethro Tull over those Metalliluzers any day of the week! Couldn't care less about the Grammies tho...narcissistic garbage IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro Jules Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 When I did drugs I always got laugh when singing "I'm looking at the gram on the mirror" in a high falsetto Michael Jackson voice! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Jules Jules Producer Julian Standen London, UK, Come hang here! http://www.gearslutz.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 Hahaha about the gram on the mirror thing... Re: Tull, well, yeah, me too, but that's not the point. The point is that the judges were so out of touch they didn't realize that Jethro Tull isn't a metal band. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 Yo Anne: Clint Black makes a pass at ya at the Grammies! You go, Grrrl! Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 5, 2001 Share Posted January 5, 2001 Speaking of Grammies... I come home from work, and my son (who used to work at the resort hotel down the street) is telling me that Carlos Santana is staying there. This from people in the know at the desk. I think he's bullshitting, but he insists he's not. I mean, if I were Carlos, I could think of a billion places I'd rather be than a little town 30 miles out of Kansas City in the middle of winter. I mean, the place is historic. Truman stayed there the night he beat Dewey, as did Al Capone. Would definitely not mind meeting the dude, but definitely don't want to look like an asshole. So, I guess, I'll "forget about it." Just thought you'd all be interested. My son is probably bullshitting anyway. Nothing much ever happens here in KC anyway...not like El Lay... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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