Hayman Posted December 31, 2000 Share Posted December 31, 2000 First of all, I did not grow up in a christian home. We never paid much attention to God or the bible. I sort of stayed out of the whole religion thing when I was a kid. I was kind of scared and surprised when adults started preaching about God. I am now 28 and more interested in religion. Not like I have put myself in Gods hands or anything, I'm just trying to figure out why other people do. I try to take more time to read history and philosophy related to religion. I try to understand why Palestinian kids are being killed every day in Jerusalem. What I really wonder is, when people say the word God, what or who are they thinking of? My reason for posting this in a music forum is that so many people give God credit for what they have achieved in music. Thanks to the great Lord for the gift of music..... and I want to thank the Lord for this Grammy.... So what is God to you, and what did he do for your music? Richard http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lambrechts Posted December 31, 2000 Share Posted December 31, 2000 God, I wouldn't know ........... ------------------ Chris Lambrechts Chris Lambrechts http://www.sos-recording.com another nice place to hang out : http://www.gearslutz.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanner Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 jesus built my hotrod AMPSSOUNDBETTERLOUDER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyphus Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 My perception is that people who are well adjusted and secure enough with themselves to make good music don't generally need a crutch like religion to give their life 'meaning'. Well, that is my subjective opinion anyway. Happy New Year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 well he's screwing my wife then, shes always screaming "Oh GOD!" http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif religion is simply a shortcut to thinking [what could explain why a lot of people lately are giving credit to god in the music business] alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 The most religious people I know have no outward signs of being religious. They carry their beliefs in their hearts, and express it in their actions. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtual.rayprodigy.net Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 Word up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 Source Energy Listens. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 God gave us silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 you should see the religious feaks down here. 'we still pray' bumper stickers stuck on the ass of their car or written in white paint on their back window [sometimes on the side too] living in the bible belt has brought a whole new disgust of organized religion and ignorance. many ready to spout off their brainwashed views at any point they see fit. chuches litter the hillside right next to the trailers. if these are the people going to heaven, burning in hell for eternity would be a much more pleasant experience [not that i believe in a heaven and hell anyways] alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST.Morigeaugte.net Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 Originally posted by alphajerk: you should see the religious feaks down here. 'we still pray' bumper stickers stuck on the ass of their car or written in white paint on their back window [sometimes on the side too] living in the bible belt has brought a whole new disgust of organized religion and ignorance. many ready to spout off their brainwashed views at any point they see fit. chuches litter the hillside right next to the trailers. if these are the people going to heaven, burning in hell for eternity would be a much more pleasant experience [not that i believe in a heaven and hell anyways] Pray for spiritual enlightenment.... grace... salvation. The lies your heart hears will stop. Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Hughes Posted January 1, 2001 Share Posted January 1, 2001 "The lies your heart hears will stop. " Huh? What does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 For each person that believes in God or subscribes to a particular faith - if you ask them to describe God, or if you query them further you will find a unique description of God, an idiosyncratic description of God, and variations of belief that stray from the dogma of the faith that person claims affiliation with. I've mad hundreds of these inquiries. With the consistent variations in description of God from person to person I've observed, I've come to the conclusion that man invents God in man's own likeness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sintz_productionshotmail. Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 First, I dont participate in religious conversations between someone that says yes he exists and another that says no he doesnt. So I wont post beyond this one interjection. My discernment of whats been said so far is to say the least eccentric when you view it from an outside perspective such as myself. Several of you preys on the fact that there is no God and he is merely man made in a religious persons mind. Now bear with me if you will, someone posted that he frequently ask what go looks like and got a plethora of answers from each individual. My question is, if you are determined to the fact that God doesnt exist, then why are you bothering to post on a thread like this or even discuss it at all. Why do you pursue asking people about God or defending your opinion that he doesnt exits? Do you also pursue asking people about the Muffin Man, Santa Clause and Tooth Fairy? Do you post your earnest and partisan opinions on a thread about the Boogie Man or one of the aforementioned characters? What is it that strikes that chord to jump in and voice your judgment about an entity that you know doesnt exits? Just my observation. I agree with Craig. TC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Lambrechts Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif 13th post on a spiritual thread posted by someone who has just posted HIS / HER 13th post ...... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif help, where is my cross, and my holy water, and my garlick, and my sharp wooden spike,....... wait, is it a full moon ..... new millenium .... HHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLPPPPPP http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif: ------------------ Chris Lambrechts Chris Lambrechts http://www.sos-recording.com another nice place to hang out : http://www.gearslutz.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro Jules Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 Sweet F.A. Jules Jules Producer Julian Standen London, UK, Come hang here! http://www.gearslutz.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sintz_productionshotmail. Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 Sorry for the second post but, Julian? Whats Sweet F.A. with an angry face? The real reason for the second post is Chris, I'm Laughing so hard it difficult to type. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 "Do you also pursue asking people about the Muffin Man, Santa Clause and Tooth Fairy? Do you post your earnest and partisan opinions on a thread about the Boogie Man or one of the aforementioned characters? What is it that strikes that chord to jump in and voice your judgment about an entity that you know doesnt exits?" Does the Muffin Man, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy or the Boogie Man have any political significance? Has anyone ever addressed a group of people assembled to watch a sporting event and asked them to bow their in prayer to the Boogie Man? It's because some people try to control or pass judgement on other people, in the name of God instead of the Muffin Man, that gives inspiration for the debunking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 The Boogie Man gave me a Korg ElectribeS this year. I still have the de-luvly lady that the Muffin Man hooked me up with a couple of years ago. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 Yep, why do musicians thank God for Grammies? Why do athletes thank God for touchdowns or goals? What if two athletes from opposing teams are both praying for a goal at the same time? Which prayer will God answer? But, back to the original question...without an acknowledgement of God, we become pretty self-centered, don't we? I mean, "Why should I thank God for (insert phenomenon here)? I mean, I did it myself. I'm great, huh?". And in my humble opinion, humility rules the day. Better yet, what does one say when one is spared from the wrath of circumstances beyond any human control (a weather disaster would be an appropriate example)? So, my answer to the question "What has God done for your music?" would be..."Given me the ability to make it and appreciate it". "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 Ah...the religious threads have finally hit musicplayer.com. Nice to see it's getting ignored or laughed at. Hey Mr webmaster Sir! I need another cookie please so I don't need to keep putting my email and password in everytime I post. I've got the Welcome Back one but not the post one. cheers john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 "Yep, why do musicians thank God for Grammies?" Tell me why the ivy twines. Not all ivies do twine, of course: some are mere creeping vines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 i like to run through elementary schools just before christmas screaming santa isnt real just to see the looks on the kids faces http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif [kidding of course] i dont really care whether god exists or not [i'll find out eventually]. what i cant stand is the hypocrisy of organized religion, not that they worship god but that they actually put it into practice. as for these musicians thanking god, whatever [looks to me like most of them sold their souls to satan to be that famous with that little talent] alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 >>Ah...the religious threads have finally hit musicplayer.com. Nice to see it's getting ignored or laughed at.<< With all due respect, my reply was neither. I was not trying to blow anyone off, or belittle them. This is an interesting topic, given that musicians from Bach, to Coltrane, to Prince have had religious themes running throughout their music. I believe that whatever relationship one has with God is your own business...and for the benefit of others as well as yourself, should stay that way. There are many ways people express their relationship to God. My least favorite is organized religion. My most favorite is when people express the end results of that relationship, rather than dwelling on the relationship itself. A good example is John Coltrane, who was a deeply spiritual man. Yet he never pushed it at you or proselytized, he used it as inspiration for such epics as "A Love Supreme." If he thinks he got the music from God, fine. If he thinks it got it from himself, fine. If he thinks it got it from himself because of this contemplation of God, fine. It's all the same to me, because in any case, I got a great musical experience out of it. There was a Sufi mystic named Meher Baba who believed religions shouldn't proselytize. By his reasoning, if God is indeed all-powerful and wants you to get involved with Him, He'll take care of it. Similarly, he was once asked about praying. His response was along the lines of "Well, if you believe there truly is a God who is all-powerful and knows what's best for you, who are you to tell Him what to do? And if you don't believe there is a God who is all-powerful and knows all, then why are you praying in the first place?" Okay, let's get back to music. I almost think that singing about God is sort of like singing about having sex with your wife...some things should remain personal. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletcher Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 Originally posted by Richard Hjemmen: I try to understand why Palestinian kids are being killed every day in Jerusalem. The same reason people have been killing each other for centurys...because their imaginary friend is cooler than the other person's imaginary friend...seems pretty clear to me. If you really want to break it down, it's all economics...the religion with the most participants [ie. potential donors] wins...why do you think the Pope is against any and all forms of "reproductive interferance"...it fucks with the 'income base'. The Muslim thing with the 'Go to Paradise, go directly to Paradise...just blow up these people on the way if you don't mind" thing is pretty fuckin' whacked too...but hey, there are more 'Buddists' in the world than the "top 3" western religions combined...so if there is meaning in numbers, all us 'western assholes' are wrong, but fortunately Buddah doesn't really seem to give a shit whether we follow him or not. What I really wonder is, when people say the word God, what or who are they thinking of? Their conscience. My reason for posting this in a music forum is that so many people give God credit for what they have achieved in music. Thanks to the great Lord for the gift of music..... and I want to thank the Lord for this Grammy.... They also thank "their lawyers"...last year they thanked 'Clive Davis' too...coincidence? So what is God to you, and what did he do for your music? To me, God is my conscience. God is the rules for how to treat people, God guides me to do the right thing...as far as my music, God did less than my lawyer...but he also doesn't cost $375/hr...so it was kind of a fair deal. While I'm making an ass of myself...God doesn't come in a can, he doesn't come in a book, and God sure as shit isn't some asshole in a white suit with a bitchin' choir on the fuckin' TV set...God is what you make God, and God's wrath is your own sense of justice. This organized religion bullshit [i was raised in an organized religion...best part of it was I picked up enough word of Yiddish to communicate with some of the 'old time' record guys] is a page from the book of "Barnum", as in no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American [or in some cases 'world'] public. Think about it...the Jews, Arabs and Christians have been fighting over the same piece of shitty real estate for a few thousand years...where's the percentage in that? Now, if they all had jobs, they wouldn't have the time to throw rocks at each other...and the guys with jobs wouldn't be shooting those "rubber bullets" that are made out of steel. One of the few things I've found in John Lennon's music was the phrase: "God is a concept by which we measure our pain". That phrase has always meant [to me]: 'do the right thing, or deal with the guilt from the pain you've inflicted'. Simplistic fer shur, but a hell of a lot better [in my world] than the ability to cleanse my conscience by having a 'sit down' with some guy that likes to fuck little boys to 'confess my sins' every week. My way's simpler...no sins, no confession, no pain. I guess my mom said it best..."treat people as you want to be treated"...in essence, I reckon my mom is God...[hey, I said I was gonna make an ass of myself...glad to have not disappointed!!]. ----- Fletcher Mercenary Audio http://www.mercenary.com Fletcher Mercenary Audio Roscoe Ambel once said: Pro-Tools is to audio what fluorescent is to light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 It also might be a good idea to distinguish between spirituality and religion. For example, you can believe in karma without being Hindu (in Christianity, the same concept is "you reap what you sow"). Someone could choose to live their life according to that dictate, but without embracing any particular religious protocol. But I think the original topic asking about the connection between the arts and faith is worth exploring. Hopefully people can put aside their prejudices, pro and con, and handle this with a little more objectivity. For example...it seems as soon as religion gets into the picture, music isn't far behind, whether you're talking Gregorian chants or chanting Buddhist monks. A lot of people have some profound spiritual yearning for God, and if you read some of the other posts in other topics, some people have a profound spiritual yearning for making music that borders on the religious. Some cultures use music to achieve enlightened, trance-like states. There's definitely something going on here, some way that music touches us on a level that's deeping than tiny hairs sending electrical signals into our brain. Any takers on explaining this? Or did I just kill the thread?!? Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Aragon Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 "treat people as you want to be treated" It just doesn't get much better than that statement. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 yea, nobody bother with that one anymore sices its JUST the golden rule, their gonna have to make it the quadruple platinum rule just to get the extension on their contract http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Worthington Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 "treat people as you want to be treated Just don't say that to a masochist... jw Affiliations: Jambé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted January 2, 2001 Share Posted January 2, 2001 Quoted from above: "When people give credit to God, who are they thinking of?" or something along that line, to which Fletcher replied: "Their conscience"... Ahh, there's the rub...what then is the source of humans' ability to have a "conscience"? Always puzzles me, and it's good to ponder. Good to debate in a healthy manner, not because it can ever be resolved. As David Clayton-Thomas sang, "I'll never know by livin', only my dyin' will tell"...but, what puzzles me is that if natural selection is the order of the day, if it can be considered good to weed out the weak from a species, as a cheetah weeds out the weak wildebeest, then should that not also not apply to humans? Then, is it not "wrong" to care for the elderly, sick, etc.? By natural laws, they should be eliminated to eliminate those traits from the species. The Hitlers of the world would then become "heroes" rather than villains, eliminating all those not strong enough to stand up to them. But, something inside us tells us that such callousness is wrong. Evil. And we punish those who exhibit those traits. We call it "conscience", and again, it flies in the face of natural law. From whence does it come? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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