Anderton Posted December 11, 2000 Share Posted December 11, 2000 I'm about to deal with OMS on a G3 PowerBook running 9.0.4. I've heard everything from "it doesn't work at all, you will be taking a trip to hell" to "it works fine as long as you don't have FreeMIDI on your machine" to "it works just fine, but you have to do this certain esoteric little fix..." Can anyone tell me the best way to proceed to make sure that OMS works okay with 9.0.4? Or is it not possible? Thanks! Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Hughes Posted December 11, 2000 Share Posted December 11, 2000 Craig, I'm a Digital Performer user, so FreeMIDI is my main thing, but I got SoundDiver a while ago, so I had to install OMS on my G4/400 (OS 9.0.4). Although a lot of people on the MOTU list have problems running FreeMIDI and OMS simultaneously, but I have not. If you use FreeMIDI, the secret is to install OMS and _then_ install FreeMIDI (FM looks for an OMS folder to put some stuff into). I haven't installed OMS on my PowerBook yet, but I can't imagine why it would run differently for me than on my G4. But who knows? There seems to be some voodoo involved, considering other's bad experiences with OMS. I use Dynamo and Gamma 1000, which are both FreeMIDI/MAS compatible, so I don't really use OMS for anything other than SoundDiver. So maybe I'd run into more problems if I used it for other things. All I know is it's working fine for me. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeshine Posted December 11, 2000 Share Posted December 11, 2000 I have DP 2.72 running on G4 500 with OS 9.04. I think Jonathan is right, you have to install OMS first then free midi. I run both. Go to MOTU's website and check their support page. There are a few things mentioned about running OMS and free midi. Dennis dennis Graffiti Studio "Show me the proof and THEN I'll believe you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted December 11, 2000 Share Posted December 11, 2000 lets just get rid of OMS, opcode is out of bizness. FREE MIDI! alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earfatigue Posted December 11, 2000 Share Posted December 11, 2000 ::Can anyone tell me the best way to proceed to make sure that OMS works okay with 9.0.4? Or is it not possible? Thanks! 1) save your system's setup exactly as it is in working order now. 2) cross fingers. 3) install most recent version of oms. 4) are your fingers still crossed? 5) restart and configure. i might be the odd man out here, but i bought a g4/400 in january and didn't have enough money left over to buy a decent midi interface. since i only really use 3 main synths and 2 controllers any more i opted for the little steinberg one. you may not believe this, but i set up oms off the included installer, it immediately recognized the midi activity on both the digi001 and the steinberg and i haven't had a problem yet. maybe i was on karma's good side that week. judson judson snell slang music group chicago, il Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted December 11, 2000 Share Posted December 11, 2000 Shouldn't this thread really be titled "OS9 and everything else...what's the deal?" I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2000 Share Posted December 12, 2000 I'm not running Free Midi but OMS runs fine on both of my OS 9.0.4 machines without jumping through flaming hoops or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 3, 2001 Author Share Posted January 3, 2001 Just to follow up: I installed OMS 2.3.8 on a G3 PowerBook running OS 9.0.4, with an Opcode Translator 32 USB interface. Amazingly, it all works just fine. Reason is smokin' with that setup, also the Absinth software synth is a honey. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Worthington Posted January 3, 2001 Share Posted January 3, 2001 Originally posted by alphajerk: lets just get rid of OMS, opcode is out of bizness. FREE MIDI! Good idea, except for reality. To rewrite a MIDI app using OMS for Free MIDI is a fair amount of work. And it basically gets you right back where you are now. The problem with Free MIDI is that it's only used by MOTU and is only likely to be around as long as they are, then we start this silliness all over again. The right answer would be for Gibson to show the slightest little bit of goodwill and release OMS as open source. They aren't making any money from it anyway. I suppose they're hoping that someone will buy it from them. I always preferred the MIDI Manager, myself http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif If only the Beatles hadn't sued Apple. jw Affiliations: Jambé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remainanon Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 The general deal with OMS/FreeMIDI, (especially since MOTU dropped their "emulation" plug and forced those of us who use both ProTools and Performer to contend with OMS...) is you have to install in a certain order. It goes like this: First, remove FreeMIDI from your system. Get rid of (or put in a safe place) your FreeMIDI folder (from the system folder) and trash the FreeMIDI extensions. Then, install the most recent OMS version. Don't do the Studio setup part. Next, install FreeMIDI 1.4x, preferably the most recent version (in my experience, MOTU have always had solid updates to FreeMIDI, so it's always wise to go with the most recent). Tell it you're using OMS. Then open the OMS Studio Setup application and laboriously[/] re-enter all your goddam synths. If you have customized patchlists in FreeMIDI then you have to quit all your OMS/FreeMIDI programs and go into the OMS folder, where you find a folder called "Factory Names". Trash everything in that folder. Then OMS will look to FreeMIDI for your custom names. Yes, it's a gnarly process. Yes it works. Now that MIDI-heads number in the millions, you'd think someone would cobble together a definitive system. Glad it's all working for you Craig. JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Worthington Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Originally posted by John Whynot: Now that MIDI-heads number in the millions, you'd think someone would cobble together a definitive system. I tried to do this when I left Apple. MOTU didn't want to use OMS because they didn't want a competitor to control their destiny. Opcode felt the same way about FreeMIDI. I tried to get people interested in an alternative. Each of the companies would pitch in some money which would fund me developing a single system. The source code would have been placed in escrow and no one would have had a clear advantage over the others. Hell, I even had Apple convinced at the time to kick lose a license to the MIDI Manager sources. No one would go for it. Opcode thought they had MOTU on the ropes. MOTU thought they'd get developers supporting FreeMIDI and here we are all these years later. jw Affiliations: Jambé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 4, 2001 Author Share Posted January 4, 2001 John Whynot: You get an SSS Public Service Award. It has no benefits other than the gratitude of those who visit this zone! Maybe it should be a tip of the week for the site (credited, of course). I do hear rumors that Apple will be supporting MIDI for real in OS X. It's an encouraging sign that Doug Wyatt is working there, so keep your fingers crossed. Re FreeMIDI, I have a tremendous amount of respect for MOTU. Many years ago I urged them to forget FreeMIDI and throw their expertise into OMS. Similarly, I browbeat Opcode to enter into some kind of partnership with MOTU so that OMS could be the best of all worlds. As we all know, that didn't happen. Maybe the MMA should be responsible for this type of stuff. I know they are stretched to the limit with respect to having the resources to do this, but you'd think it would be worth it for all MIDI manufacturers to throw some bucks their way to insure a stable OS for the Mac. Of course, if Apple's taking care of it...never mind. I guess we'll find out more at MacWorld. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Worthington Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Originally posted by Anderton: John Maybe the MMA should be responsible for this type of stuff. I know they are stretched to the limit with respect to having the resources to do this, but you'd think it would be worth it for all MIDI manufacturers to throw some bucks their way to insure a stable OS for the Mac. Of course, if Apple's taking care of it...never mind. The MMA should absolutely be doing this. Apple's not solving anything. OS X will only run on Apple G3/G4 machines. Their new MIDI software is only going to run with OS X. People who are running older hardware will be left out in the cold. jw Affiliations: Jambé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted January 4, 2001 Author Share Posted January 4, 2001 >>The MMA should absolutely be doing this. Apple's not solving anything. OS X will only run on Apple G3/G4 machines. Their new MIDI software is only going to run with OS X. People who are running older hardware will be left out in the cold. << Yes, but won't the older machines work just fine with OMS, so at least someone can have a stable system even without a G3/G4? Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Worthington Posted January 4, 2001 Share Posted January 4, 2001 Originally posted by Anderton: Yes, but won't the older machines work just fine with OMS, so at least someone can have a stable system even without a G3/G4? So now you're writing software and you have to start developing two versions of everything at least for the next couple of years. One for the people running old OS's and using OMS and another to use the cool new OSX stuff when it ships. I'd be tempted to stick with just writing the old stuff until the outcry got too large. Most people probably wouldn't even notice. Of course, the magazines would. There'd be a big note about how an otherwise good app was missing compatibility with OSX. The marketing people would revolt and I'd be hanging from the nearest flagpole. But perhaps I'm gettin cynical in my old age. jw Affiliations: Jambé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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