Curve Dominant Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 alphajerk says: "screw funding those stupid dance troupes." This is too ignorant to come from someone remotely interested in the arts. You sound like W. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 how is that ignorant? just because its not your viewpoint. thats close minded. its not the governments job to fund these types of activities. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 OK alphajerk, all kidding aside. If you had seen some of the performances by the modern dance troupes I compose for, you would be rivited by the intense beauty of these extremely talented and dedicated young people. You might be the first to pull out your check book. So now you say,"That's right! But that would be MY choice to support these folks!" And you would be right. But what if you had never heard of them? Never had the chance to experience the art and decide for yourself, because they couldn't afford a rehearsal space, or had to work so hard to pay the rent that they couldn't afford to take two days off a week to practice. This is what the government arts grants provide. I know these kids!!! I work with them!!! They have jobs and go to school in addition to doing this amazing thing that is so inspiring. The grants don't pay their living expenses, but the grants are that little bit of help the artists need to take their talents to the public and say to the community and the private sector,"You decide if we sink or swim." I know, because my budget for 15 minutes of music for one of these projects is the same as it is for about 3 minutes of commercial soundtrack composing. And that's my contribution, but we need the NEA, too, or else I would never even have had the opportunity to make that choice to contribute. You see, alphajerk? It is about choice. [This message has been edited by Curve Dominant (edited 11-02-2000).] Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trick fall Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 ummm, Curve Dominant, like why shouldn't the gov't pay me some cash to pay for my rehearsal space? Is my art less valid? Srew all these grant collecting losers. I think the only thing they teach in art school is how to fill out grant application forms. The hell with them who needs em. I mean the thing that really pisses me off is it seems like we usually end up paying for elitist garbage. Hundreds of low income families were displaced from their homes so Lincoln Center could be built. Why so rich people could go listen to opera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 Umm, like, trickfall, like, why doesn't the government, like, pay for my weed, man? Srew these losers, man, who, like, wanna be artists or something stupid like that, man, who needs em? Like, Wynton Marsalis at Lincoln Center, He's, like, such a loser with that jazz sh*t, elitist garbage, ya know? Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST.Morigeaugte.net Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 C DOM...... How do you really feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonemonkeyyahoo.com Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 [This message has been edited by tonemonkey@yahoo.com (edited 11-03-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trick fall Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 Actually I think Wynton sucks the big one and I do like jazz. I just don't think my tastes should be subsidized. There are two areas I don't think government should play any role in, art and religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trick fall Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 Another thing, Curve Dominant: Some one of intelligence would attack the argument and not the person posing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 3, 2000 Share Posted November 3, 2000 OK fine. It's really clear. The government isn't here to make your kids appreciate the grace and beauty of the world or to make them good people. The government is here to protect us and make sure we don't break the law. End of story. And it's no wonder that you agree with funding the arts if you're getting the money. I don't get the money and I don't go see your dance troupe either. That's not a remark against your art but rather against the concept that you assume you deserve a handout to fund your fiscally unsound endeavor. Yeah the royals did fund the arts in the past but guess what. We aint got no stinkin' royals. I like the arts and think they are a vital part of the evolution of the human mind but their funding isn't a role for the federal government. Maybe for individual states since that power is delegated to them in the Constitution but not on a federal level. If you want a big government who can decide what is and is not art then go live in a socialist country but don't get your wires crossed about the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 Last I noticed, wormholeprod, America had a National Endowment of the Arts, and yet is not a socialist country. You can flame me and insult my employers all you want, but the fact stands that out in the real world, there is a society and a nation the majority of which does not agree with you, or else the NEA would not exist! And you say it is MY wires that are crossed? We are not all as stupid as the average knob-twiddler. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 Looks like I stepped on someones ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 Try attacking the topic. Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 OK - here I go - we (Australia population the state of NY - 18mil)wiped our arses on you at the olympics, our actors and film makers are taking all your major production work, (who's producing the new star wars series?) the Canadians and Irish have taken all the slots in your top 100 and why??? because it was all government funded through our Government funded sports academies, and Government funded film institutes etc. The Canadian and Irish Gov funded music support schemes have boosted their music output and opportunities to the point that they now dominate the world charts. Our symphony orchestras are now world standard and tour worldwide, the Australian Ballet company is world standard and regularly tours Europe and the US etc. All government funded. If you want a degree in anything you may attend university with living cost support - all government funded - if you are sick you can go to hospital free of any charges - even open heart surgery is free!! All government funded. Wake up America - the world is leaving you all behind. Can't be all that bad - can it?? Cheers John http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif [This message has been edited by johnsay@lis.net.au (edited 11-03-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 CHEERS JOHNNY! RIGHT-O!!! Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trick fall Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 See now the free healthcare and free education I can get behind, just not the other stuff. For me it's just too subjective. I mean I don't expect everyone to like or even appreciate a band like say The Fall and I don't think I should be expected to like or appreciate something like opera, ballet, performance art etc. If the government is gonna spend money on art I'd rather see it go to something like providing the tools, (art supplies, instruments, rehearsal space) to everyone who wanted them, not creating these little arts group fifedoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 I am discussing the topic. I'm not dissing your gig, just stating that I don't believe that it is in the realm of the federal government to fund the arts whether they are dance or visual or musical in nature. My perspective is that the government is too large and ruleds by corporate financing interests. It needs to be pulled back so the local bodies can have more influence over themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 Also, I don't think the NEA is ratified by a popular vote of the population otherwise I really doubt that it would exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 um john, i think the olympics got the worst ratings in the history of the games here. i have no idea who won but i heard america won the most medals [39 gold to your 16, even the official olympic site states the US is STILL the top athletic nation]. plus you didnt have any pipe bombs go off, what fun is that http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif. for heathcare, people from all over the entire world come to america from countries that pay for operations and actually pay for the procedures themselves so they have the BEST. no way do i want the government to provide heathcare. i still believe in natural selection and think its still in effect [the poor die because they cant afford healthcare because they dont work] i wouldnt brag about doing the new star wars trilogy... and crocodile dundee is regulated to commercials now. i dont know who goes and sees the ballet [how boring] or the symphony [again, could care less] so does it really matter they are the best? and who judges that? and what does it really prove? just attacking the topic, not austrailia. im sure i would love it there. personally, i want massive downsizing of the federal government. but i also want massive redirection of funding to education. the top things we need are Education, Military Defense, Road construction and maintainence, and criminal Law Enforcement [after the laws are changed to end the drug war]. other than that, the government has no business in my life taking my money away from me. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 I agree. The federal government outgrew it's constitutional boundaries during the depression. This was obviously needed in time of great emergency but Roosevelt's New Deal has been taken too far. Seems like the Internationalists are not going to be content until we are a region of the UN. I disagree that the poor are at a Darwinian disadvantage, more likely a poor hungry malcontent would beat the hell out of JP Morgan any day. But I do agree that the fed is out of hand and we need to take our country back from the corporate sponsors. Bush may not have a full deck but at least he won't take my gun away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 yea, i dont agree with these stupid gun laws but BUSH is so goddamn stupid, who the hell knows whos buying him. hes paid for in full right now. doesnt have an original thought in his pea sized brain. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 Stephen St Croix as a write in candidate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 Quote Alphajerk : i still believe in natural selection and think its still in effect [the poor die because they cant afford healthcare because they dont work] Wow you guys call yourselves the greatest democracy in the world - ask anyone outside of the states and they will disagree. You are the greatest capitalist country in the world, no question, but who wants to live under capitalism - it's just as bad as totalitarianism. you guys really believe your own PR don't you, noone else does. Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 living in a capitalistic society is all about what you do [or dont]. i love america. its truly the place if you dream something you can attain it if you work hard enough. we might be the only one that thinks that way but thats also why we are the center of the world, and all the hate only lets us win. to borrow a term from the hip hop world, the rest of the world is just playa hatin. that is also why we are the leaders of the world and attract people like no other country. people die trying to make it to america floating on boards to get here. they run through barb wired deserts to get here. you know why? because they think they can provide a better life for themselves and their family than they can in their country. we have the BEST healthcare [not everyone can afford it but thats their problem] because the best doctors are here. we are also truely the melting pot comprised of the most varied mix of people and cultures. the american culture is the human culture because some many kinds of people contribute to what makes us US. im not downing the rest of the world. but there are packets where humans are still suffering. how about the middle east where women are beaten to death for trying to go to work. or two people from different backgrounds cant live on the same land in civility [book suggestion: Tom Robbins "Skinny Legs and All"]. we certainly had our growing pains with dealing with all types of people [and still do sometimes] but its getting a little better everyday. we got our problems, sure but i wouldnt live anywhere else [cept maybe Amsterdam (for a year) if i was still single sans baby] and i dont agree with socialism either, or communism. you show me an -ism that is truly right and i will help you build utopia. [This message has been edited by alphajerk (edited 11-04-2000).] alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2000 Share Posted November 4, 2000 Quote: living in a capitalistic society is all about what you do [or dont]. i love america. its truly the place if you dream something you can attain it if you work hard enough. Yeah, I too live in a capitalistic society albeit founded around a commodities base rather than a big business base from where the US operates. Sure if you dream something and work hard you can attain it and you are definitely not the only nation to believe in that. As to whether its the hate that makes you win? is questionable indeed, more probably its the reason why you keep blowing it and find yourselves in the shit you are in now voting for the evil of to lessers to get you by. But you are not alone in that either. Yes people die trying to get to our coast too, from South East Asia primarily and from as far away as the Iraq and Iran. Its the obvious outcome from being a wealthy nation. No.. We have the BEST healthcare with top rate doctors BECAUSE EVERYONE can afford it, AND we can afford to FUND THE ARTS as well, and education, and the better we are as a nation for it. We are a melting pot of all nations, just like you and we have our multi-racial problems too and I agree with you with regard to the legalization of drugs etc. We cant help build utopia whilst the only ism is Americanism, or perhaps good old Republicanism. Cheers John http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted November 5, 2000 Share Posted November 5, 2000 having everyone afford heathcare doesnt make it the best. the best is the most advanced techniques and equipment. where people from all over the world come to pay for their care even though they could get it free in their own country. that would be like saying mackie is the best because everyone can afford it when in reality, it kinda sucks. how do you think those businesses got BIG? its ALL about the commodity or idea. in all truth, voting for the lesser of two evils doesnt make much of difference to the privatized side of america, its been the same vote for the past lifetime and aside from reagan/bush fucking up our economy, business runs the country so the leader isnt as important as the people who make up the population. in fact elected officials can get in the way more than anything. its just not the governments job to fund the arts. true artists create regardless. we could certainly fund education tenfold [as i have said many times already and our biggest failure as a country] but thats our problem. we also have a lot more responsibilities than austrailia has keeping peace throughout the world. why are we always the ones to take care of evil? cause nobody else can. then we get no respect for it. thats a little rude dont you think? you think we really want to go solve other peoples problems? if somebody attacked austrailia, who would save you then? there is no best anyways. utopia is a faint dream [and my version certainly wouldnt be americanism, and most definately not republicanism] but it would be a lot closer to capitalism than communism or socialism. im kinda partial to anarchy anyways. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2000 Share Posted November 5, 2000 we also have a lot more responsibilities than austrailia has keeping peace throughout the world. why are we always the ones to take care of evil? cause nobody else can. then we get no respect for it. thats a little rude dont you think? you think we really want to go solve other peoples problems? if somebody attacked austrailia, who would save you then? That - I have to agree with you totally on - yes it is the US that polices the free world and never let it be said that I don't respect you or am not grateful to you for that. The UN is the other police force as we had recently in East Timor and still have. I was interested to hear that the Indonesians are throwing rocks at your emabssy in Jakarta recently. If Asia breaks loose with Tiawan and China I know who'll be there - you guys, and us. Oh you'll be protecting your interests in Tiawan and we'll....well we'll be there anyway cos we're mates. Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted November 5, 2000 Share Posted November 5, 2000 taxes like life you have no choices in the matters. im sure if i was born in austrailia, i would be perfectly happy there too. how bout a beer john? im not that big into nationalism... like religion, its just a breeder of hate anyways. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted November 5, 2000 Share Posted November 5, 2000 I'LL HAVE A BEER!!!!!!!! Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trick fall Posted November 5, 2000 Share Posted November 5, 2000 I just had several beers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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