kudyba Posted September 12, 2000 Share Posted September 12, 2000 You know, one thing NOONE has been saying is will any of the artists see any of the money? By the time it trickles down through the lawyers & corporate coffers, how much will the artist(s) actaully see? Probably a few dollars, if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2000 Share Posted September 12, 2000 Of course, there are several stages of appeals to go throug before any money is actually paid out to anybody... ohter than lawyers, anyway. What you want to bet the fina payment is more like 25$ a violation??? Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted September 12, 2000 Share Posted September 12, 2000 Of course the artists will see the money! It will be delivered by Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted September 12, 2000 Share Posted September 12, 2000 But seriously, folks (good to see you in here, Rob)...I think that the judgement probably assumes that the only entities damaged in this was record companies, as they most likely own the copyrights for the CDs in question. Remember, the musicians don't own anything, not even their masters. That's why record companies pay artists, not the other way around. And while we're on the subject...how many artists are seeing anything from the blank digital media tax, anyway? Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kudyba Posted September 15, 2000 Author Share Posted September 15, 2000 Just as I thought, check out this new quote from Courtney Love, from an article at http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/news/story?id=39c0f0190 "But according to Love, Universal does not plan to give its musicians any of the money it receives from MP3.com, despite its rhetoric about the performers' "hard work and creativity." "They're claiming that Internet file downloads are covered by the same license as, ahem, 'record clubs,' and thus we are owed nothing," she said in her email posting. "I call this racketeering and so should you." Disgusting... [This message has been edited by kudyba (edited 09-15-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 15, 2000 Share Posted September 15, 2000 Originally posted by kudyba: Just as I thought, check out this new quote from Courtney Love, from an article at http://www.upside.com/texis/mvm/news/story?id=39c0f0190 "But according to Love, Universal does not plan to give its musicians any of the money it receives from MP3.com, despite its rhetoric about the performers' "hard work and creativity." "They're claiming that Internet file downloads are covered by the same license as, ahem, 'record clubs,' and thus we are owed nothing," she said in her email posting. "I call this racketeering and so should you." Disgusting... [This message has been edited by kudyba (edited 09-15-2000).] Just another reason why the record industry needs to be brought down and then be rebuilt by musicians. -Dylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted September 16, 2000 Share Posted September 16, 2000 that is a bit messed up. musicians whould own their work, especially since advances must be repaid before any profit is made. i say that if a band pays off the advance for the record, then the masters are theirs. in the event of a band leaving the label could be like bankrupcy sort of, the labels can earn $$$ on that record for 7 years and then the artist completely owns rights. [to offset the "we put out all this money for the artists where is our return" whine you commonly hear] alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted September 17, 2000 Share Posted September 17, 2000 >>I say that if a band pays off the advance for the record, then the masters are theirs. in the event of a band leaving the label could be like bankrupcy sort of, the labels can earn $$$ on that record for 7 years and then the artist completely owns rights.<< That makes a tremendous amount of sense. I'm sure it's way too logical to be adopted as a business model. Regarding Courtney Love's comments, it confirms my suspicious that the record companies would regard MP3.com as a crime against them, not the artists. If a company is going to base its payments on royalties, then it has to follow through on all reasonable income-producing sources. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted September 17, 2000 Share Posted September 17, 2000 One more thing... Some people have told me they thought it strange that musicians expect to get royalties for coming up with intellectual property, whereas, for example, whoever came up with the case for the iMac isn't (at least presumably) getting a royalty from Apple Computer. The difference is that people like industrial designers are paid salaries, which may even be very high in some cases. Musicians, on the other hand, generally do not receive any kind of salary. This is foregone in the hopes of someday hitting it big, and making lots more money. The odds are remote, but we all know that. Anyway, this is no different from any kind of financial investment: riskier investments tend to offer greater rewards because of the chance you could lose everything. I bet that many of the newspaper writers who belittle musicians for being greedy are getting a salary, medical benefits, half of their social security tax being paid, and maybe even some kind of insurance or pension. Musicians, unless they're on staff or something, don't get ANY of these. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted September 17, 2000 Share Posted September 17, 2000 the graphic designer who designed the nike swoosh was paid $70 for her services. [i think last year they gave her a LOT more (without her even asking) on nike's anniversary or something] as best as my memory serves me. and something has got to be done about this self employment tax. its ridiculous, and the marriage tax. where is the flat tax when the world needs it? lining the pockets of our bloated government. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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