halljams Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 Thought it might be time for some music talk. Just post any ideas other than Bb7. Check out SUPERVIBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george costanza Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 Doesn't the answer depend on context (style/melody/etc) ? I hate those players who seem to think that any given situation calls for the use of a particular scale/mode...to me it idicates a lack of true musical awareness. [[i]Flame on![/i]] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halljams Posted September 21, 2002 Author Share Posted September 21, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by george costanza: [b]Doesn't the answer depend on context (style/melody/etc) ? I hate those players who seem to think that any given situation calls for the use of a particular scale/mode...to me it idicates a lack of true musical awareness. [[i]Flame on![/i]][/b][/quote]Wow i can't believe you hate me. Actually i was asking for a variety of approaches. sure it depends but what are all the options? That's more what i'm getting at. Btw, some of my fav players DO tend to use the same devices over similar harmonic situations, they just manipulate it accordingly. Thanks for playing anyway. Check out SUPERVIBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george costanza Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 Whoa, halljams, I don't hate [i]you[/i] just the idea that I described...& I don't presume that you're limited to that approach.Perhaps I was overly vehement. Though you indicate that you're looking for a contextualized answer, I think to answer would require the description of the elements of the music, as I mentioned before. Anyhow, let me flee the scene & let the players play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halljams Posted September 21, 2002 Author Share Posted September 21, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by george costanza: [b]Whoa, halljams, I don't hate [i]you[/i] .[/b][/quote]Well that's a relief! ;) Check out SUPERVIBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcohol Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 I'm not a jazzer but I think the following are ideas, though they are relative to each other: Ab Lydian D minor harmonic F minor dorian Eb major G7 alt b9 #9 #4 "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality." [Dante Alighieri] (1265-1321) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylver Posted September 21, 2002 Share Posted September 21, 2002 I wouldn't. There's way too much stuff after the D and the F. It just makes my head hurt. (dammit, now I'm gonna have to find out the answer to that! I hate not knowing things.) Seroiusly, if I wrote or had to perform a song with a progression I wasn't familiar with, I'd probably record the changes, then figure out what sounds good by noodling over it. Then I'd figure out the scales/modes that worked, so when I had to do it for real, it would be right there. Analyize it? Yeah, right. Well, maybe, but only [i]after[/i] I figured out what sounded good. Also, give us some context. Is this a 2 chord vamp or is it in the middle of a progression that goes somewhere? If the latter is the case it might be tricky to come up with something meaningful. I really don't know what to put here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halljams Posted September 21, 2002 Author Share Posted September 21, 2002 Ok the surrounding bars are as follows /Ab Bb / Cm\G Ab / Dm7b5 Fm6 / Eb+ G\D / Cmin>>>>> 105bpm latin Check out SUPERVIBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobro Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 Eb harmonic minor is a possibility- aha, it is going to Eb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtoledo3 Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 I would mix F blues with the whole tone scale starting on a D note. Most of the scales mentioned share a lot of notes. Want mix/tracking feedback? Checkout "The Fade"- www.grand-designs.cc/mmforum/index.php The soon-to-be home of the "12 Bar-Blues Project" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 When in doubt, go pan-tonal. ;) Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brakka Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 I'm feeling Bb there, it's the "five of" leading back to Eb (like someone else said). Weird changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanmass Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 Extremely Poorly.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 Quick! I'm late for a wedding. Dmin7b5? the second degree or mode of C Harmonic Minor. D Locrian or the 7th degree of an Eb scale. D Locrian natural 2 or the 6th mode of F Melodic Minr ascending scale. There's a start. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 I'd use a guitar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 >>How would you solo over /Dm7b5 Fm6/ ? << i'd try a one bar rest...... -d. gauss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 I just did a gig, a memorial for 9/11 where several musicians brought in compositions written for the occassion. One of the tunes had a solo progression that went like: Abmin7b5 (8 bars) / Emin7b5 (8 bars) / fmin7 (8 bars). The tempo was fast. The composer took the first solo and I took the second. Had no time to rehearse. First opportunity to even look at the tune was on the gig which was being broadcast on the local jazz station and had a large audience. So I couldn't rest for a bar. :D You know they just don't have licks that work over those chords! All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLsound Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 On guitar, long vibrato on the D, 2nd String 15th fret, standard tuning :D :wave: Jim http://www.artistlaunch.com/artist4.asp?artistid=3633 http://www.myspace.com/jlockmusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 Well like I said earlier if the chord is hanging out there by itself D Locrian, same notes as the Eb Major scale. If it's followed by G7, G7b9 or G7aug5 I'd play C Harmonic minor. I also always outline the chord tones in some way; use them as target tones. There's also the 6th degree of the melodic minor ascending scale. But I try and find some melodic reference through it all to make it musical. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 I take it by the subject header you realize that Dm7b5 and Fm6 are the same chord spelling-wise? But I treat them entirely differently. An Fm6 chord I play as F Dorian or the ii chord of Eb major and I like to sit on the 6th because it's a cool sound. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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