deathdrummer Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Well I don't have one because I've played one, and I don't have any kind of use for one, does anybody know what (besides that it's for effects) a china would be useful for??? --------------------- I make world class music, I just forget to write it down... Don't touch my car! *wack!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 That seems strange considering your user name. I like a china in the context of blast/death type metal. I prefer the sound of a smaller one (like a 12"), which sounds about like a metal trash can lid. Great way to enter a blastbeat. I think they just cut, which is what you need when you are trying to add accents to 2000 watts of screaming guitars and some guy belching like he's trying to take a shit...all of this taking place at about 220bbm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 The last kit I had set up was not conventional in the cymbal sense. 14" HH's, 18"crash/ride (taped and muffled for maximum ping), 3 splashes, and a china. For some reason I tend to prefer cymbals with a sharp attack and short sustain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrummer Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 Well I use rock cymbals and I am looking to buy a couple splashes, my current (incomplete) setup is, 14" Sabian B8 HH's, 16" Sabian B8 Rock Crash, 14" Sabian B8Pro Thin Crash, 20" Sabian B8 Ride, and an 18" Sabian B8 Crash/Ride... Notice I use Sabian and am familiar with the B8 series, (I do like AAx though... --------------------- I make world class music, I just forget to write it down... Don't touch my car! *wack!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 I have a wonderful, wonderful old china sizzle that I got off ebay for like $20. Man it's cool. It's maybe 10-12"- little thing. A short, trashy crash with some bite. A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techristian Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 China cymbals were big in fusion/jazz 25 years ago. Billy Cobham used one. I bought mine over 25 years ago. It is 20" and cost me over $300 back then. It is VERY LOUD. Dan http://teachmedrums.com TEACHMEDRUMS.COM My Music Videos RED PILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK1 Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 i use an 18 sabian aax china and is great when played with just a snare as has a very fast attack also have 18 inch AAX Metal crash 19 inch AAX Metal crash 14 inch AAx metal hats 8 inch AAX splash and a 20 inch Zildjian Z series rock ride, sabian don't make a ride with a large enough bell so i prefer this more expensive option and have had the ride for 11 years!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihategarybettman Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I have two: a Zildjian 16" that I paid about 100 bucks for at least 15 years ago after I saw Charlie Watts using one and a cheapo 10" Wuhan that I got from Guitar Center for 10-15 bucks a couple of years ago. They're not appropriate on every song, but I love 'em and so did my old bassist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrummer Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 I might get one now... Don't touch my car! *wack!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 I've got a 12" Wuhan China that I bought for $20. It gets used a lot, almost as much as my 16" Paiste Crash. You can get a lot of good sounds out of a good china cymbal. I'd recommend trying out a lot of them, they all sound a bit different. BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Beam Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 i have a 22" zil.. dont make them anymore.. the thing beastly magicial. kinda like my 24" zil ride. i use a 18" zil remix ride now but i love the differnt colors. "Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrummer Posted June 21, 2005 Author Share Posted June 21, 2005 Blue Strat, i will take your advice thank you... EricRIM, do you mean they stop making chinas because i havent seen any by Zil for a long long time... Don't touch my car! *wack!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 If you get one and you are a hard hitter, make sure you play it with the flair down. They are real easy to crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Beam Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Originally posted by deathdrummer: Blue Strat, i will take your advice thank you... EricRIM, do you mean they stop making chinas because i havent seen any by Zil for a long long time... Zil never stoppped making them .. them sell a bunch http://www.zildjian.com/en-US/products/default.ad2?catalogID=1013&typeID=13 just my beast of a china is no longer around... i like small ones aswell fun fast attack stabs.. "Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdrummer Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 oh ok, and thanks to the stranger Don't touch my car! *wack!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiejazz Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Originally posted by the stranger: If you get one and you are a hard hitter, make sure you play it with the flair down. They are real easy to crack. Is it a drumming practice to play with the flair up also?? Obviously it will break more easily this way and destroy your sticks but does anyone do it??? Having said that, spose you can hit anything anyway you want: tis a free world after all!!! www.hairmusic.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Originally posted by richiejazz: Originally posted by the stranger: If you get one and you are a hard hitter, make sure you play it with the flair down. They are real easy to crack. Is it a drumming practice to play with the flair up also?? Obviously it will break more easily this way and destroy your sticks but does anyone do it??? Having said that, spose you can hit anything anyway you want: tis a free world after all!!! Mine is mounted with the edges down so I can hit the edge for a washed gong sound or hit the transition point for a loud bang. BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzman Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I actuall have an 18" china, 16" wuhan, and a 10" wuhan. The 18" wuhan was too sloppy for me. I like a quick attack. On the 18" china cymbal, I like using it with the edges down. I always use all parts of the cymbal in Jazz. You can get many effects from one cymbal. Jazzman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freelance Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 I own a 20", 18" 16" & 14" Wuhan. I like Wuhan because they sound like a China should (trashy)and they are extremely cost effective. I mostly use the 20" or the 14". Obviously they are used mostly for a specific accent, however I find playing a ride pattern on a China cymbal can really driver a song. I play mostly bebop or fusion, but I also get a fair amount of calls for "classic rock gigs" (I guess cause I'm old). I find places to use a China on many songs - but like anything, one must use "good taste". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 I just recently added my 12" Wuhan back into my kit at the request of my bass player. I'm diggin' it. https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumtek101 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I use to have a 16' Zildjian oriental china. Loved it until it got cracked. I might get another and stack it with the efx crash. Gear: Drums/DW Jazz series Keys/Yamaha Montage 6, Studiologic SL 88 Grand, Hammond C3 w/145 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dboomer Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Does a Swish count as a China? If so, then yes I do. Mainly I use a Paiste 20' signature as a ride cymbal. My first China experience was with a Sabian Carmine China. Boy, if you wanna kill your guitar player, this was the piece. It didn"t last long in my setup as I discovered that unlike regular crash cymbals with which you could strike more or less interchangeably, a china crash only works in certain places and screws up things to my ear if you simply substitute it for any other crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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