Prague Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 In Van Halen's "Finish what ya Started" there are no cymbal crashes. Good. A player doesn't always have to be hitting everything in sight. Just an observation. Clean playing is every bit as good (and at times, better) as constant playing. I'm not a big VH fan, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crujones Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 hey check out Peter Gabriel's 1980 album (it's untitled, it has a melted face graphic on it) it's all drums. no cymbals at all! there is light flourishes of tamborine and cowbell but that's it. and it's not "solo" stuff either, there's lots of grooves going on. ps. alex van halen can grrove with the best of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted July 18, 2004 Author Share Posted July 18, 2004 Right. The whole (albiet subtl) point to my post was this: I would bet money that 99 drummers out of 100, if playing the VH song in a cover band, would play the crash at all the standard locations (bridge/chorus lead-ins) and think they knew the song well. It's all in the details. Sometimes the simplest things are overlooked by the "best" players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 That song features Alex Van Halen on a bass drum, snare, and hi-hat, and Eddie on a 1954 Strat plugged directly into the board. Simple. Delicious. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarf Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Originally posted by Prague: In Van Halen's "Finish what ya Started" there are no cymbal crashes. Good. You should qualify that - the studio version may not but the live version has all the crashes going into and out of verses and all the obvious punches. -- Rob I have the mind of a criminal genius.....I keep it in the freezer next to mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 Originally posted by Dwarf: - the studio version may not but the live version has all the crashes going into and out of verses and all the obvious punches. -- RobI haven't heard any live version, but that's a poor judgement call for a pro. It gives the song a unique edge. But, he plays it live like any other rock tune? Too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeronyne Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Originally posted by Prague: Originally posted by Dwarf: - the studio version may not but the live version has all the crashes going into and out of verses and all the obvious punches. -- RobI haven't heard any live version, but that's a poor judgement call for a pro. It gives the song a unique edge. But, he plays it live like any other rock tune? Too bad.I'd have to respectfully disagree. This song is really good, but I'm guessing it doesn't translate very well in an arena without some serious reorchestration. The recording sounds so intimate...guitar straight to the board, some direct acoustic gtr, really ringy snare, and dry as a bone. It would sound really weak live in a huge venue without some additions. "For instance" is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 Perhaps. A good sound crew/engineer could pull it off, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeronyne Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Originally posted by Prague: Perhaps. A good sound crew/engineer could pull it off, though.It's very hard to create a dry sound in a venue that is the very definition of boomy. And the need to rework all of the drum eq's and stuff would be difficult. The Stones and Peter Gabriel get around it by creating two completely separate stages one for the anthemic stuff, and one for the more intimate stuff. "For instance" is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Arnett Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Try listening to Mickey Curry on Hall & Oates album Private Eyes - the title track has no crashes in it. On their later album H2O, also check out Family Man and Maneater (that only has one crash throughout the whole song). Or, Terry Chambers on XTC's album English Settlement, on a track called English Roundabout. Or Charlie Watts on The Stone's Jumping Jack Flash. www.ghresource.co.uk www.y-c-b.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Originally posted by crujones: hey check out Peter Gabriel's 1980 album (it's untitled, it has a melted face graphic on it) it's all drums. no cymbals at all!IIRC, there are no cymbals anywhere on King Crimson's "Discipline". Then again, when you're Bill Bruford, you can be very clever without cymbals. "No cymbals" was a signature element of Robert Fripp's production at that time. It wouldn't surprise me if there were no cymbals on the second Peter Gabriel album, produced by Fripp (or his own "Exposure" and Daryl Hall's excellent "Sacred Songs", which Fripp conceived as a trilogy). It's been years since I listened to those albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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