groove guru Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I only have one low profile boom stand that I use for a kick mic. It's a tripod type and I was wondering if the ones with a solid base were better. I'd like to free up the one I have for the guitar amp. What are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Gervais Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I use the solid base - it just seems easier and more stable for me. Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I picked up a nice desktop stand for my kick at Guitar Center. It has a short boom and a solid, heavy, rectangular base. I tried a round base stand but it didn't have enough weight to balance a big kick mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siberian Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I use the solid rectangular base type. I prefer it over the tripod style because it allows me to get the stand a little closer to the drum than a tripod type. The further away the stand is, the more you might have to extend the boom arm in order to get your close mic placement. And obviously, the further you extend the arm, the more off balance the stand can become, especially with the heavier large diaphragm dynamic kick drum mics. I use a Beta 52, which is a big fat heavy pig. Also, having the tripod legs sticking out just gives me one more thing to potentially trip over. And considering what a clumsy person I can be..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Cheap solution: Radio Shack desktop microphone stand I bought one to use to record guitar amps with. I think the total cost of the base and mic holder was around $12. BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groove guru Posted January 31, 2004 Author Share Posted January 31, 2004 Thanks to everyone for the input. I think I'll go out an get one of those desk top type stands tomorrow. I hope it won't tip over too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 A drummer friend once made a kick mic stand out of a brick, a broomstick, a couple of screws and washers, and a mic clip. Total cost: zero. All the components were laying around the house. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 For instruments…I have a few of the "desktop" round stands...and a couple of the heavy small tripods w/booms. The problem with the desktop round stands is that they tend to be rather lightweight...and adding any short boom to them makes them very unstable. With drums...you often need a short boom to really get the mic into position, and even if you are going to use it only in front of the kick...the round base and short straight stand allow for limited positioning. Without a short boom you can't get real close and definitely not inside the drum. Of course the heavy small tripods w/booms are more expensive than the little desktop stands...and there ARE a lot of times when the desktop stand is just right. It's probably good to have some of each...but if you only have one or two instrument stands...the small, heavy tripods w/booms just seem to be much more flexible in their application…than the desktops. I have a couple of the On Stage small tripods...which are really great. But I just noticed that Samson has their own version of this type of stand...and it looks a bit better than the On Stage. Their counter weight is much beefier, the boom is two-stage, and you also get a mic clip...all for like $29...I think the for the OnStage I paid $25... I may now get one or two of the Samson stands also...and that will give me more mic stands than I normally ever use at one time... ...but I will have plenty of flexibility! My $1.25... miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrozombie Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 my choice is to bypass the stand. The best bass drum mic I've ever heard/used is the Shure Beta 91. It lays right inside the drum. Sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groove guru Posted February 1, 2004 Author Share Posted February 1, 2004 Thanks miroslav, you said the key words "counter weight" which is what I think i have to look for. Astrozombie, I have heard good things about the 91 but I'm using a Beta 52 and sometimes a 421 for now. I've noticed that a lot of guys are using a Beyer M88 in addition to the Beta 91. I'm not sure why but there must be some benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where02190 Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 91 on it's own doesn't cut it for me, bu combined with something that's got some phat ballzy bottm (beta 52, AT4033A) it's great. make sur eto time align the two tracks before mixing. As for stands, go buy more. Hope this is helpful. NP Recording Studios Analog approach to digital recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Shannon Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 I use the MAY internal miking system on my Kick drums. I highly recommend them, I think you can order them through www.dwdrums.com. Alternately, many kick drums, like Pearl for example, have tom mounts on the top. I have used that to hold a mike mount inside the kick, even a Radio Shack stand mentioned above, without the round base, maybe with a Radio Shack goosenck and mic clip. If you are using a round base stand with a boom arm, it is a common practice to leave a weight on the stand for positioning strength and stability. I unscrew the base, put the wieght (10lb) on the tube, and then screw the base back on. The weight stays on the stand, and even if I am using it to "low mic" guitar or bass cabs, it is stable and ready to go. Cheers, Sean Sean Shannon www.theredroomrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where02190 Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 When recording I never attach mics to any part of the kit for two reasons: 1. Vibration. I want the mics as vibration free as possible, and I use shockmounts on all mics if available. 2. Deadening. Anything clamped to a drum will affect how it sounds by deadening ti's natural resonance. This includes things clamped to tom holders on bass drums. Hope this is helpful. NP Recording Studios Analog approach to digital recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Shannon Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I am here to testify that the MAY miking system works, and does not dampen the sound of the kick or vibrate. My other solution of using tom mounts to hold kick mics has also been very useful, both on the international touring stage and in the recording studio, and I don't get problems with vibrations or deadening of the kick. Maybe if something is loose? I have also had countless engineers attach clip-on mics to my toms, and not one complained of these issues. But, whatever works for you works! Cheers, Sean I've seen guys that won't attach a mic to a drum directly go ahead and stick duct tape on the heads?!?!?!? Like I say, Whatever works for you, do it! Sean Shannon www.theredroomrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Originally posted by where02190: When recording I never attach mics to any part of the kit for two reasons: 1. Vibration. I want the mics as vibration free as possible, and I use shockmounts on all mics if available. 2. Deadening. Anything clamped to a drum will affect how it sounds by deadening ti's natural resonance. This includes things clamped to tom holders on bass drums.This is totally true- Even having the snare stand clamped to the snare kills the resonance. Everything ought to be loosey-goosey! It's a great idea to use a shock mount for any mics on a stage. you want what's in the air, not what's transmitted through the stand! A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groove guru Posted February 26, 2004 Author Share Posted February 26, 2004 Thanks for pointing out the dampening issue. I use those Shure claw clamps on the toms all the time for stage and never noticed a problem. I have used them in the studio, but with the quality of everything else in the chain, I never really noticed. I'll do a little test so that I can hear the difference. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Shannon Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 I doubt you will notice a difference. I use claws, too, and the toms sing. If you hear too much damping from using claws, or internal mounts, don't use them. The sound of my kick is very full, too, and the mics are mounted with the MAY internal mounts. No problems here. Sean Shannon www.theredroomrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djarrett Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 What Sean says is true about the MAY mic system. I (at one time) had a Gretsch kit that I loaded with the MAYEA system. That was the best sounding kit when miked up. All I had to do was arrive at the gig and plug the cables into the sides of the toms. I noticed NO resonance degradation, as these mics are shock and isolate mounted. It is (or at least it was) an expensive system. But as far as bleeding, EQing, sound, ease of use ... OH MY! Wish I hadn't sold that kit! MAN! DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siberian Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 No problems with claws on tom rims for me either. I use Audix D series mics on all of my toms and snare for recording, and they have their own clamping system that clips right to the rim... but doesn't touch the shell. I haven't heard the May system up close, but I do have a promo/demo CD from a few years ago. They close miked a drum kit with traditional miking methods, and also installed the May system internally (using the same type of mikes). The kit was played and recorded simultaneously with both systems. Now granted, it was a promo done by May, so there's no way of really knowing how much (if any) the May tracks were eq'ed or processed to make their product look better. However, assuming they were honest and didn't do any processing, I thought the internal miking sounded better. From a convenience standpoint, I'd love to use something like that for live playing... simply because it would shorten setup time. And it also eliminites the need to have to move your drums or cymbals around to accomodate the sound guy because his mike stands, mikes, cables, get in the way of your cymbals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Never used the May system... the claw damping trouble I was having was with a snare sitting loosely on a stand. Made a big difference. With a tom that's already mounted to BD or whatever stand, and claw makes no difference, I'm thinking it's already damped. If you like it that way, go for it! Not everyone likes drums as ringy as I do. A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsy34 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 As far as a Kick mic stand, I took a $10 boom stand and cut it down to the highth I needed. It only took two cuts with a tube cutter, about 15 minutes from start to finish. I now have a kick mic stand that will hold even the heaviest of mics without worrying about it falling over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeq Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 I got this gizmo that holds a boom arm at right angles to a stand. I can often attach the arm to the bottom of another boom that is holding a tom mic or an overhead. Its sort of two U shaped things with wing nuts that are welded at right angles to eachother- one clamps onto the vertical shaft of the stand and the other holds the boom perfectly horizontal. I wish I could find another one. I am not even sure if this was made for mic stands or if it is some general hardware thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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