Tedster Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 I'm a, uh, well, sorta a geetar player. Recently, I've acquired a tremolo pedal, which gives me that ol' sound common in the 60s (think "Born on the Bayou"). Well, another common sound in the 50s and 60s was the "rivet ride cymbal" sound. Sure it's retro and cheesy. The cheesier the better, sometimes! Just strikes me as I don't see anyone ever use this effect anymore. Ludwig used to make a "cymbal sizzler" that got the rivet effect without drilling holes in the cymbal. Anyone ever thought of reviving this ol' retro-cheese effect? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 I have, but I can't seem to tolerate the excessive decay; I've yet to find an application (read: tune) where the decay wouldn't draw undue attention to itself. I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumtek Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 I also remember rivets. although not terribly fondly. I guess it wasn't wasn't my kind of sound. Not to get away from riveted cymbals, but, speaking of "cymbals you don't see or hear much these days", anybody remember, or still have, "swish" cybmbals? How about the "pang"? (Now those I miss...!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djarrett Posted April 30, 2003 Share Posted April 30, 2003 Yeah, Rivets! I love the effect. I actually use a 20" china that I float a Sabian Alien disc over the top of (on the same tilter spindle). I seperate the two with a single felt. It allows the rivets in the alien disc to rest at the right distance from the china. I get alot of cool ride cymbal effects between riding on the inverted disc and striking the china. It is reminds me of an old swish cymbal. I loved the big ones they used to call a Swish-Knocker! Ah, the old days! DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 30, 2003 Author Share Posted April 30, 2003 Cool! I'm glad there's at least one positive vote ...but, it's like any other effect. It's not gonna appeal to everyone. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzman Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Well I used to own one of those many years ago......... The cymbal was very heavy and the rivits were too. I now use a chain that attaches to the wing nut on my Ping cymbal. Sounds ok but the weight of the metal beads are a little too heavy. I like it when it has a little more decay to it. Use it in some Jazz songs for a specific part. Really sounds cool in some Jazz songs when played in the backgroung more. I think it is good to have something like that in a studio. I wish I had one now. ..........."Ain't too Proud to Beg".... I loved those years. Jazzman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 "cymbals you don't see or hear much these days" That would be my Ice Bell. At best, good for doing covers of "Wrapped Around Your Finger" (not that that's a dance floor flooder...). I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted May 1, 2003 Author Share Posted May 1, 2003 Originally posted by offramp: "cymbals you don't see or hear much these days" That would be my Ice Bell. At best, good for doing covers of "Wrapped Around Your Finger" (not that that's a dance floor flooder...).Have you tried an electro-dance-trip-hop version? Just put a fast boom-chicka boom chicka beat like Madonna did with "American Pie" and watch the lemmings...uh...patrons... invade the floor...(evil laugh). "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 Ahhh, the add-on sizzler. Promark used to make one which was essentially a lamp-chain which hooked onto the stem of your cymbal stand. Very useful in jazz-type stuff. Wouldn't expect rockers to know much about that kinda thing. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted May 1, 2003 Share Posted May 1, 2003 "Wouldn't expect rockers to know much about that kinda thing." punk-ass snot. c'mere and say that again. I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Oh, yeah. I didn't know the sound had fallen out of favor. I enjoyed it alot for lite jazz and brush work. I DID wack my sizzler a few too many though and it bit the dust. They really need more RIDE cymbal in contemporary dance music. Too much hi-hat. Once we get the ride back IN, we can start sneeking in the sizzler. Pretty soon EVERYBODY will be using it! Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freelance Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I have a 20" Sabian Duel Ride with 3 rivets that I still use for jazz gigs (It's a very subtle sizzle). I also have a 20" China with 4 rivets (which I previously used for an effect ride sound) but that hasn't seen a gig in many years. I've got the Ludwig device (but the threading doesn't fit any of my current Gibralter stands) I always carry some "lamp chains" in my cymbal bag, just in case I need to pull off a sizzle sound for a given song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzman Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 offramp, HAHA!!! Nice comeback guys! My first sizzler was a light chain on a refrigerator grate when I was 8 yrs old. It was BOSS!!! Some people now days drill out holes in an older cymbal and install rivits in them. None of my cymbals are old enough for me to do that with them. Although one cymbal I hate, but tolorate. Jazzman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeq Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 Originally posted by Super 8: O They really need more RIDE cymbal in contemporary dance music. Too much hi-hat. You're lucky if they let you play the hi hat. The cool thing is to have a sizzle cymbal and take out all the rivets but one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumtek Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 That's a thought, Joeq, but I'm thinking the cymbal will sound like it has a crack on the edge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Jew Posted May 2, 2003 Share Posted May 2, 2003 I DID wack my sizzler a few too many... and it bit the dust. You said you wacked your sizzler... and it broke. Not many people will admit to the first part, and even fewer will admit to the second. Good for you. I'm proud. Now, go wash our hands. \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeq Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 no, first _shave your hands, then wash them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Originally posted by CMDN: You said you wacked your sizzler... and it broke. Not many people will admit to the first part, and even fewer will admit to the second. I've come to terms with it, CMDN. The lesson is: If you must wack your sizzler, wack it GENTLY -it WILL break... Thanks for making me feel like I'm in Junior High again! Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 I'm so ought of touch I use calfskin. Doesn't sound nearly so "now" as plastic though. Great stuff, plastic, very musical, don't you think? And sizzle cymbals- one normal rivet, although beaten with a hammer and mangled with pliers and wirecutters, and one small cut-off nail hand mutilated until it sounds just right. The mutilated "rivets" are much livelier and don't damp the cymbal. A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20to20 Posted May 7, 2003 Share Posted May 7, 2003 I had a jazz drummer in for a session, and when a song called for it, he would attach a 'chain' made from paper clips to the spindle... The 'chain' would, of course, drape over the ride cymbal and provide a nice, subtle sizzle... Sounded great on the recordings... Bob Phillips 20to20soundesign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 I played with a drummer in the late 70's who had a set of Zildjian Hi Hats. The top cymbal had four rivets in it. I always thought it sounded great! -David http://www.garageband.com/artist/MichaelangelosMuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varispeed Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 The new Zildjian A Custom rides include one 'sizzle' model, so there must be a market for them! I would be apathetic but I just can't be bothered..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted May 16, 2003 Share Posted May 16, 2003 Originally posted by DC: I played with a drummer in the late 70's who had a set of Zildjian Hi Hats. The top cymbal had four rivets in it. I always thought it sounded great!They are still making things like that. I think the Remix series has rivets in the hihats. They are less for the 'sizzle' and more for the noise and 'lo-fi' effect. Cool idea. Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 I'm a pianist, but I really love the sound of either a riveted ride or a sizzle chain on jazz ballads (and a riveted ride swinging uptempo can be great too -- Barry Elmes has that). Then again, one drummer I love to play with has black drum heads on his snare, so what do I know? David My Site Nord Electro 5D, Novation Launchkey 61, Logic Pro X, Mainstage 3, lots of plugins, fingers, pencil, paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donnie Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Rivets gone??? Not quite...you can still order practically any Zildjian cymbal with rivets (two arrays as a matter of fact) Donnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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