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Pickup Position Database - can we put one together?


alexclaber

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I've recently been trying to find out the pickup positions on various basses and it's proving an impossible task. I'm pretty sure I've googled this to death but despite pickup location being one of the dominant factors affecting the sound of a bass, it seems there is hardly any information out there.

 

However, I do believe that between the regular posters here there are a wealth of different basses, and hopefully you can help me (and future curious cats) out!

 

What I'd like to know is:

 

1. The bass make/model/year

2. The pickup configuration: P P+J reverseP+J J+J J+MM Soapbar (specify soapbar's contents if you can) etc.

3. The scale length

4. The distance of the centre of each pickup from the G-string saddle

5. The pickup aperture (simplistically the width of the pickup - i.e. <1" for Jazz, >1" for Gibson mudbuckers

 

If we could stick with inches rather than mm, that would be consistent with the bass's US origins and less confusing that converting back and forth. Particularly keen to know the details for any of the classic basses - Precision, different eras of Jazz bass, Stingray, Rickenbacker etc.

 

Thanks!

 

Alex

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1. G&L Tribute SB-2, 2003

2. P+J

3. 34"

4. J = 1 15/16" P = 4 5/8"

5. 1" for P&J

 

1. Tobias Deluxe 4, 2001

2. J+J

3. 34"

4. Bridge = 2", Neck = 5 7/16"

5. 11/16"

 

My ruler is Made in England by Helix, so you don't have to convert my inches. ;)

- Matt W.
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Originally posted by dcr:

One question: why measure from the G-string saddle? The saddle moves when the bass is intonated.

This is how Erno @ Q-Tuner references his pickup positions - I presume it's due to this string being the closest to 'perfect' length - witness that Dingwall's fanned frets maintain 34" G. I believe that the saddle position varies more on the lower strings when intonating because of the greater variance in string stiffness and magnetic pull depending on gauge and material, whilst the G is closer to being a pure string.

 

Thanks to anyone who can contribute!

 

Alex

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You know, I've never understood why the Jazz neck PU sounds so different from a P-bass PU. I know it's split, der, but nevertheless you would have thought they would be close in sound. I can see where the J and P combination comes from. I have plenty of Fenders I'll try and post later too.

 

Davo

"We will make you bob your head whether you want to or not". - David Sisk
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I can contribute info on 4 basses...Tobias Killer B-5, Stingray5, G&L L-2500 Tribute, and Dean Edge fretless 5...will that help? I'll try to post the info within the next couple days.

 

Dave

Old bass players never die, they just buy lighter rigs.

- Tom Capasso, 11/9/2006

 

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1. 1990 Fender Precision Plus (Custom)

2. P + J

3. 34" but has 22 fret neck

4. P - 5 9/16" J - 1 3/4" (center of pole)

5. P - 1" J - 1 1/4"

 

Rocky

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Benjamin Franklin

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Originally posted by Davo-London:

You know, I've never understood why the Jazz neck PU sounds so different from a P-bass PU. I know it's split, der, but nevertheless you would have thought they would be close in sound. I can see where the J and P combination comes from.

 

Davo

A jazz has the neck pickup further up near the neck. The P is two piece (split) and staggered and further from the neck. Different windings and opposite flow. I do prefer the P sound but don't know which of the differences contribute the most. When Leo was expermenting, there must have been a noticable advantage in his mind. Remember, he designed and made pickups before he started making instruments.

Rocky

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb, voting on what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb, contesting the vote."

Benjamin Franklin

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I'll get you the info tonight. I look forward to a spreadsheet of all the results.

 

We could also take the results to some of our more responsive luthiers and see what their comments are.

 

 

Thanks for this Alex - I think it will be interesting!

Tom

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Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt

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2003 Fender Jazz

J+J

34" Scale

Bridge 2 3/8" Neck 6 1/8"

3/4" Wide

 

2001 MusicMan Stingray 5

Humbucker

34" Scale

3 1/2"

1 7/8" Wide

 

2001 Rickenbacker 4003

2 Rickenbacker Single Coil

33.25" Scale

Bridge 4" Neck 8 3/8"

1" Wide

 

2006 Fender Precision

Split Single Coil

34" Scale

5" at the pole 5 1/2" at the split

1 1/8" Wide

 

Good luck with the data accumulation.

Let me know if you need a DBA. :D

Push the button Frank.
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1983 Rickenbacker 4003

Two single coil pickups, button-type

Scale 33.25" (I concur! :D )

Bridge 4.25"

Neck 8.5"

Width 1"

 

2002 MIJ Fender Jazz Geddy Lee

Two "vintage" single coil pickups, two exposed poles per string

Scale 34"

Bridge 2.125"

Neck 6.25"

Width .75"

 

1990s MusicMan Sterling

Single MM humbucker (exposed poles)

Scale 34"

Center of pickup 4"

Bridge-side coil 3.5"

Neck-side coil 4.5"

Width 1.875"

 

If you're curious about a Yamaha BB605 or Godin BG-5, I can get those too.

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Originally posted by dcr:

Scale 33.25" (please note this is & has always been the 4003 scale length)

I just measured the scale and, of course, you're right. I was assuming 34". I'll edit the above post.
Push the button Frank.
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Here you go:

 

1. Lakland Glaub (Skyline): 2006

2. Darkstar single coil

3. 34" scale

4. 5-3/8"

5. 1-7/16"

 

 

1. Roscoe LG3000: 2002

2. Bart soapbars (J&J)

3. 34" scale

4. Bridge : 2-1/4"

Neck : 4-5/8"

5. 1-1/4"

 

 

1. Karl Hoyt 5 string fretless (200?)

2. Lawrence (J&J) and Piezo

3. 34" scale

4. Bridge : 2-1/8"

Neck : 5-5/8"

Piezo : 0" (under bridge one piece transducer)

5. 3/4"

 

 

1. MM StingRay (Pre EB - '78)

2. MM humbucker

3. 34" scale

4. 3-1/2"

5. 1-7/8"

 

Jim

Jim

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I got your "esoteric" right here, buddy.

 

 

1. '69 Gibson EB3

2. Humbucker at the neck, Univox copy of Rickenbacker pickup at the bridge

3. 30.5

4. 2" from bridge PUP, 8" from humbucker

5. 1 1/4 bridge "Uni-Ric", 2" Gibson humbucker

 

1. '02 Kinal SK5B

2. J at the neck, MM Soap at the bridge (both Barts)

3. 34.5

4. 2 7/8" from bridge MM, 6 1/8 from neck J

5. 1 3/4 bridge MM, 5/8" neck J

 

Interesting to see that the Gibson humbucker is further from the bridge by 2 inches, but when you consider the 4" difference in scale length, it's much more. It actually makes me think I'd like the Kinal J closer to the neck for more thick/low stuff. At least, in theory it would be like that.

 

Tom

www.stoneflyrocks.com

Acoustic Color

 

Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt

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Yes, that Gibson humbucker stands out looking at all the figures. Bridge PU is predominately 2-3", the other PU has a larger variance. Excuse my ignorance, is the bridge PU single coil?

 

Davo

"We will make you bob your head whether you want to or not". - David Sisk
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Any more for any more?

 

We have a plethora of Lulls, Laklands and Sadowksys that I'm curious about. TNB's MTD? Spectors, Ken Smiths, Alembics, Zons, Dingwalls?

 

Ah, and regarding split P pickups, where has everyone measured - the centre of the half or the centre the whole pickup?

 

And now my bass:

 

1. 1987 Warwick Streamer

2. Reverse P and J

3. 34" scale

4. Bridge pickup: 1 7/8" ; Neck pickup: 4 5/8" (centre of whole P pickup)

5. J 3/4" aperture, each P half 1" aperture

 

Alex

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Originally posted by Davo-London:

Excuse my ignorance, is the bridge PU single coil?

Given it's age (bought it in '76 or thereabouts), and the noise level, I'm assuming that it's single coil, but I don't know for sure. As to the original PUP in there (which I no longer have), I'd guess the same.

 

Tom

www.stoneflyrocks.com

Acoustic Color

 

Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt

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1. '85 Marlin Sidewinder (WTFIT? I hear you cry.)

2. P and J style PUs

3. 34"

4. 1 3/4" 5"

5. 3/4" 1"

 

1. '87 Jackson Charvel SB2

2. Jackson P and J's

3. 34"

4. 2-1/2" 5-1/4"

5. 3/4" 1"

 

1. '03 Ibanez SR400

2. DXP and DXJ

3. 34"

4. 2" 5-1/8"

5. 3/4" 1"

 

:idea: think were still missing the most important one...

Bumpcity's 2xForce

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