Bassist needed

[iceband]

I don't know if I'm allowed to advertise for a band member on here cos I haven't seen any other ads, but anyway, here goes.....

 

we're a band called ICE, based in Rossendale and we need a bassist. We're looking to change our sound from full on rock to a more folk-rock sound, with the emphasis still on the Rock side, samples of our old sound can be found

at www.brightice.com/band or www.myspace.com/theiceband We're commited and serious about our music and will gig as much as

possible. We want to record once our sound is settled and we're aiming to gig around the festivals and uni circuit.

you can contact us at band@brightice.com

[picker]

Where is Rossendale?

[iceband]

30 mins north of Manchester, midway between Leeds and Liverpool, close to Bury and Rochdale

[Dave Brown]

Seems like a lot of bands in the UK are needing bassists.

 

Good luck.

[Davo-London]

That's Rossendale, Lancashire, Northern England for those including myself who didn't know where Rossendale was.

 

Oh and yes it's very bad form.

 

Davo

[Davo-London]

But on the slightly more helpful side try:

 

www.musofinder.com

 

Davo

[Rowbee]

and www.partysounds.co.uk

[Rocky McDougall]

I'm in San Antonio, Texas..........Can you pay my way over???????? I don't play Rock, could you change to Jazz or Blues????????

Rocky

[picker]

I'm in Kansas City, Ks, and I play rock. If you cover my ticket over and pay me well, I'm yours.

[Rocky McDougall]

HEY PICKER, I'M AHEAD OF YOU, GET IN LINE.

ROCKY

[Eric VB]

Bah. Move your band to Detroit and I'll play bass for you. (Why should I have to relocate? )

 

[Luke73]

Originally posted by Davo-London:

That's Rossendale, Lancashire, Northern England for those including myself who didn't know where Rossendale was.

 

Oh and yes it's very bad form.

 

Davo

Question: Why is it very bad form?

 

What better place to find a bass player, than a bass player's forum?

 

Or is it just that he's not yet part of the clique?

 

Surely it's doing no harm.

[dcr]

Luke73,

 

Look around. Notice the dearth of threads looking for band members? It's not really what these forums are for. Harmful or no, the moderators of these forums have made a conscious decision that this is to be a forum, not a bulletin board. It's not that it's a bad thing to do; it's just something we've decided against doing here.

 

Putting it in terms of "being part of the clique" is contentious. The idea is that this is supposed to be a community of bass players where people come in, hang around, get to know, learn, share, etc., and not a place where people just leave a message & scram. (And yes, that's perfectly consistent with the practice, within such a community, of posting the occasional gig notice, etc.) Even music boards I've seen that do facilitate these sorts of queries, set aside space for them outside the main discussion areas.

 

If iceband wants to hang around, he's more than welcome & I hope he does (although I suspect he's probably not a bass player).

[Cthulhu Fhtagn]

Hey, I'm not a bass player yet I hang around!

 

... well I've never been accused of being much of one anyway.

[Luke73]

Originally posted by dcr:

Luke73,

 

Look around. Notice the dearth of threads looking for band members? It's not really what these forums are for. Harmful or no, the moderators of these forums have made a conscious decision that this is to be a forum, not a bulletin board. It's not that it's a bad thing to do; it's just something we've decided against doing here.

 

Putting it in terms of "being part of the clique" is contentious. The idea is that this is supposed to be a community of bass players where people come in, hang around, get to know, learn, share, etc., and not a place where people just leave a message & scram. (And yes, that's perfectly consistent with the practice, within such a community, of posting the occasional gig notice, etc.) Even music boards I've seen that do facilitate these sorts of queries, set aside space for them outside the main discussion areas.

 

If iceband wants to hang around, he's more than welcome & I hope he does (although I suspect he's probably not a bass player).

Hey,

 

That's fine. If the moderators have decided against such posts, that's OK by me. Perhaps it should be published (or maybe it is, and I missed it?).

 

My clique comment wasn't supposed to be quarrelsome, but a genuine observation. I've seen plenty of gig-spam and solicitation for band members/subs here posted by people who are in the clique, and it's never been mentioned as being bad form.

 

So, is it OK to make such posts if you hang around and mass a few hundred posts before doing so, or is it bad form for everyone?

[Whacked]

Originally posted by Social Critic:

Hey, I'm not a bass player yet I hang around!

 

... well I've never been accused of being much of one anyway.

beat me to it

[iceband]

Originally posted by dcr:

Luke73,

 

Look around. Notice the dearth of threads looking for band members? It's not really what these forums are for. Harmful or no, the moderators of these forums have made a conscious decision that this is to be a forum, not a bulletin board. It's not that it's a bad thing to do; it's just something we've decided against doing here.

 

Putting it in terms of "being part of the clique" is contentious. The idea is that this is supposed to be a community of bass players where people come in, hang around, get to know, learn, share, etc., and not a place where people just leave a message & scram. (And yes, that's perfectly consistent with the practice, within such a community, of posting the occasional gig notice, etc.) Even music boards I've seen that do facilitate these sorts of queries, set aside space for them outside the main discussion areas.

 

If iceband wants to hang around, he's more than welcome & I hope he does (although I suspect he's probably not a bass player).

Actually I am a bassist, just not very good cos I've only just started.

As for hanging around, I might, it all depends on how friendly you are, but judging from this thread, it seems, not very

[Rowbee]

In general Iceband I think most of the folks have just been ribbing you, it's not as clicky here as some might suggest. If you want to contribute positively to this forum then I'm sure everyone here will welcome you.

[Cthulhu Fhtagn]

Luke,

 

We have all levels of players and all ranges of experiences here. We have guys here whose words carry great weight and authority, and we have guys who, like in school, hang out in the back and make rude comments. We also have the occational guy that opens his yap and says something stupid or outrageous.

 

If you CAREFULLY read the threads and the subjects, you will see that the ones you accuse of "getting a pass" start theirs with something like "GIG-SPAM". Damn near all the time, it is more to do with telling the members of the forum that they have a gig so we can sit there and high five each other for actually working at a craft we actually enjoy. Our friend ICE in soliciting a bassist does has no interest for me being in Washington state.

 

What does interest me (and most everyone else) is the soap opera of trying to find that bassist. Listening to ICE tell me of the good, the bad and the ugly of trying to find someone to hold down the bottom for him is both good story and good information for the amatures here that may be looking to make the next step in their music.

 

I don't care if you have a CD to push. I want to hear about the heaven and hell you and your mates went through in writing, recording and producing that CD.

 

When you land that gig, or cut that CD and come here to the forum and make the grand pronouncment "I've just got a gig!" or "I've just cut a CD!" and tell us about your sucess (or rant about your failure), all of us on the forum want to share in that success or empathize with the failure, share our experiences and hopefully, someone else reading the forum with a single-digit post count can take something from it and learn.

 

Again, if you have a two-digit post count and your first significant contribution is to tell Jeremy he's full of crap about theory, or Bump about gigging, or Greenboy about technical, or coming on here with the intent of starting the contetious "thisandthat vs. blargyfarg" (sorry, Bump) thread, then expect some flame. If anyone is so damned thin-skinned that they cant take a little heat, then maybe they should joint the emotionally distraught bass players forum (www.wahbabebass.com) and get their self-esteem right. If one's feelings are so easily hurt, mabye they should take up a diffent hobby other than one where one gets abused by drunks and stiffed by club owners and has to put up with butt-hole frontmen.

 

Did I adequate outline the diffence for you?

[Luke73]

If you CAREFULLY read the threads and the subjects, you will see that the ones you accuse of "getting a pass" start theirs with something like "GIG-SPAM"

So, if iceband's post was headed "Bass player solicitation spam by a newb with a single digit post count" it would have been OK, right, and not considered bad form?

 

Did I adequate outline the diffence for you?

Yep. Thanks.

 

Anyway...my point is simply that instead of people telling poor old iceband his post is in poor form, perhaps we might kick back a little and give him the opportunity to tell us about the soap opera of trying to find that bassist. Who knows, with a warm welcome he might even stick around to do so.

 

You know, the thing with a clique is that the people inside it never seem to think that they're in one. It seems to me that cliques are invariably only visible from the outside.

 

I'm not saying everybody here with a high post count behaves in a cliquey manner, but it's certainly a perception that can often be portrayed here by some, and it's not aided by single digit posters being told to go off and search, or that their post looking for a bass player is in bad form.

[dcr]

Well, let's review our bad behavior, shall we?

 

The guy STARTS his post by saying he's not sure whether it's bad form or not. A few posts go by; none are impolite, one even wishes him good luck. Then someone says, yes, by the way, that sort of thing is bad form; but this doesn't keep the poster--and even another poster--from adding a potentially useful link to help him in his search... Then some silly ribbing... Then someone starts preaching about cliques.

 

It seems like things were actually going very well, right up until that last bit.

[Luke73]

Oh yes. Thanks very much for setting me straight dcr, and thanks for helping to blow a simple comment out of all proportion.

 

Actually I am a bassist, just not very good cos I've only just started.

As for hanging around, I might, it all depends on how friendly you are, but judging from this thread, it seems, not very

It would seem, by the above comments that the original poster doesn't share your enthusiasm for the way the thread was going, or the welcome received.

 

BTW...Iceband, good luck with the search. I'd love to read how you get along.

 

[Cthulhu Fhtagn]

Originally posted by Luke73:

So, if iceband's post was headed "Bass player solicitation spam by a newb with a single digit post count" it would have been OK, right, and not considered bad form?

Who's blowing what someone said out of proportion now? My thanks to you!

 

No, he should have said "BLATANT Bass player ..."

 

Didn't I say I wanted to hear about the good, the bad and the ugly?

 

As for the cliques ... I have a 1000+ post count. I have been on the forum for a little over 2 1/2 years. I have never met another lowdowner in person. I have received PM's from exactly two members, one regarding building a website, the other sharing my outrage at a blatantly racist post a year ago. I am SOOOO not part of "the clique". Your eyes are better than mine, Jack, 'cause I'm still not seeing it.

 

...OK, three PM's. Got into a friendly argument with Jeremy about covers. Wanna guess who won that one?

[Luke73]

Originally posted by Social Critic:

Originally posted by Luke73:

So, if iceband's post was headed "Bass player solicitation spam by a newb with a single digit post count" it would have been OK, right, and not considered bad form?

Who's blowing what someone said out of proportion now? My thanks to you!

 

No, he should have said "BLATANT Bass player ..."

 

Didn't I say I wanted to hear about the good, the bad and the ugly?

 

As for the cliques ... I have a 1000+ post count. I have been on the forum for a little over 2 1/2 years. I have never met another lowdowner in person. I have received PM's from exactly two members, one regarding building a website, the other sharing my outrage at a blatantly racist post a year ago. I am SOOOO not part of "the clique". Your eyes are better than mine, Jack, 'cause I'm still not seeing it.

 

...OK, three PM's. Got into a friendly argument with Jeremy about covers. Wanna guess who won that one?

OK...you all win. I'll shut up now. No noobs have ever been scared away. I guess I'm just too sensitive. Yeah. That's it.

[Tom Capasso]

Luke,

 

Your best point is that the rules are unwritten. I need to work on that, but life (and this forum) intervenes...

 

We've often had very bad, spammy adverts for bass players. So ugly that we've deleted them. We've had some that we've let remain. That's inconsistent, but (I hope) in reasonably good judgement. This is more of a community than a market-place.

 

One thing about the band-gig spam is that it's done as community support, not an attempt to build a following. It also fuels stories about band life. You encouraged Iceband to "tell the story...", which is a great idea.

 

I am leaving this thread as another example that internet communications require extra compassion and clarity. I doubt anyone commenting in this thread started out as perturbed as they ended up, and it requires extra consideration on everyone's part to state your case without malice, and to see the jokes where they are. Luke - your questions were reasonable - stay with us!

 

Tom

[Luke73]

Thanks for you post Tom. You are indeed a gentleman.

 

Apologies for my comments. They certainly should have been more carefully constructed. My intention was not to be argumentative or insulting, but to try and make newbies a little more welcome.

[dcr]

'S'all good.

[_Sweet Willie_]

I think Luke and dcr should have a throwdown in Melbourne. Just 'cause.

 

Peace.

--s-uu

[Luke73]

Originally posted by Dr. Sweet Willie:

I think Luke and dcr should have a throwdown in Melbourne. Just 'cause.

 

Peace.

--s-uu

Sorry Dr. Sweet Wille...what's a throwdown?

[Tom Capasso]

That would be a meeting where bassists get to hang, eat, and play bass together in a spirit of comraderie. Sounds like fun, and many of us would attend were it not for the geography.

 

Tom