rumpelstiltskin. Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 apparently, stealing designs isn\'t the only corner they illegaly cut. the v-amp and bass v-amp, as well as several powered and unpowered mixers all violate FCC equipment authorization rules. they've been selling them for five years and for over a year since being notified of the violations by the FCC. $1M won't hurt them too badly, but that's still a lot of money for anyone. this means uli won't be able to buy a new steering system for his yacht for another month, now. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getz out Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Wow, talk about utter disregard... I would never have the stomach for this type of blatant illegalities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxofunk Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I'll go pick up some Behringer things today, it'll be fun and lucrative to eBay them as "NOS pre-lawsuit" collectibles in 30 years. Well, maybe not so lucrative. - Matt W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruuve Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Interesting...I wonder if the small garage and basement builders of musical electronic gear are also violating FCC regulations? Dave Old bass players never die, they just buy lighter rigs. - Tom Capasso, 11/9/2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groover Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 We've had discussions over the questionable business practices of Behringer in the past, but this seems to be a blatant and irrefutable disreguard of law. I own two pieces of Behringer equipment, a Bass V-Amp and a Europower EP1500. I am ashamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldena Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 That must partially explain the pricing. Last week at GC, I saw a 450 watt bass amp for $249, and a 8x10 cab for $339. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I too, am embarrassed to own the two little mixers that I own which are made by this company. By the way, the reason why so many pieces of gear use "wall warts" is because it takes so long to get FCC approval for a power supply that it is quicker for a manufacturer to make gear that uses an existing licensed power supply. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 actually, that's usually a UL/CE/CSA (regulatory) issue. the FCC usually steps in when it comes to anything digital (i.e. v-amp, mixers with digital effects) or with a switching power supply (i.e. unpowered mixers). my guess is that they were also screen printed with statements that they comply with FCC regulations. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groover Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Sisk: Interesting...I wonder if the small garage and basement builders of musical electronic gear are also violating FCC regulations? Dave This FCC Notice Of Apparent Liability applies to class B digital devices. I doubt very many garage or basement builders are manufacturing, let alone widely distributing, these type of devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddiePlaysBass Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Guess I'll have to go and look for those effects pedals while they're still ehm ... hot "I'm a work in progress." Micky Barnes The Ross Brown Shirt World Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkW Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 I applaud EddiePlaysBass for his play on words in a non-native language. Boo and hiss to Behringer for flaunting such important laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Thanks for the link, robb. I still have my Behringer head. I got it used for pretty cheap, and wouldn't expect to recoup even that on a re-sell. It serves the needs for which it was purchased. I wouldn't buy another, though. Too many red flags on the Behringer playbook for me. Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wade_g Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 This is very interesting to me for two reasons. 1) Passing these regulations is my job (my company makes networking equipment though) 2) I own a Vamp. Maybe I'll throw it in our test chamber and see how bad it is. To get a product tested and documentation written for the FCC, it cost between $10k and $20k. So for them not to do it and pay this fine, either they were extremely stupid, or they knew it wasn't going to pass and didn't care. There is a difference between Belief and Truth. Constantly searching for Truth makes your Beliefs seem believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmrunning3 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Sheesh. I'm ashamed that I bought one of their starter packs for my daughter for Christmas. -- Joe -- "If you think you're too old, then you are." --Lemmy Kilmister "I have not seen a man who is not god already." --Austin Osman Spare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Originally posted by wade_g: This is very interesting to me for two reasons. 1) Passing these regulations is my job (my company makes networking equipment though) 2) I own a Vamp. Maybe I'll throw it in our test chamber and see how bad it is. Please do so, and report back. I don't think I'm alone here in my curiousity... Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 Originally posted by wraub: Thanks for the link, robb. I still have my Behringer head. I got it used for pretty cheap, and wouldn't expect to recoup even that on a re-sell. It serves the needs for which it was purchased. I wouldn't buy another, though. Too many red flags on the Behringer playbook for me. Peace, wraub i know i bang on the "behringer is wrong and bad" drum pretty loudly, but i really don't want to make people feel guilty for having bought in the past. i mean, that's water under the bridge. but i personally choose not to buy their products for just such reasons, and i hope others consider it in their buying decisions, too. having worked in pro audio for several years, it's self preservation for me to oppose behringer. i vote with my dollars. once the vote is cast, you can't really take it back. but you can vote differently in the future. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddiePlaysBass Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Well my head and speakers serve me well, Behringer or not. They were all I could afford at the time and I feel no shame in having them. Eventually the speakers will have to go (I want to neodymium but the buggers cost too darned much right now) and the head ... I really want a London City amp, it's the greatest thing I ever heard. But right now ... the equipment I have has only been gigged with twice so I want to get some mileage out of it "I'm a work in progress." Micky Barnes The Ross Brown Shirt World Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moot Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Interesting - I know a lot of guys here own Behringer stuff. I myself do not but have been thinking of grabbing a little mixer just for small venues. Naturally, what I want is another Carvin but the Behringer is almost identical for about 1/3 less. Is this really about morals? Is it really about supporting piracy? hmmmmmm. "He is to music what Stevie Wonder is to photography." getz76 I have nothing nice to say so . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomgottem Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Originally posted by wraub: Originally posted by wade_g: This is very interesting to me for two reasons. 1) Passing these regulations is my job (my company makes networking equipment though) 2) I own a Vamp. Maybe I'll throw it in our test chamber and see how bad it is. Please do so, and report back. I don't think I'm alone here in my curiousity... Peace, wraub No, you are not. I would be very interested in the results of a chamber test. My whole trick is to keep the tune well out in front. If I play Tchaikovsky, I play his melodies and skip his spiritual struggle. ~Liberace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcending Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Eek!! I own a Behringer Combo and a V-Amp pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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