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OT and political, but significant: Deep Throat revealed!


Dave Brown

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There is no way to explain to you what kind of society the second Nixon administration took place in.

 

And the national shock to find a President committing crimes. Lying.

 

Even the shock we all felt because he cursed!

 

And the news was cautiously dismantling him.

 

And the Vietnam fiasco, and his promise to get us out "with honor" colored everything.

 

And one guy, a mystery man who knew from the inside out, helped to explode the myth.

 

My Dad watched the Watergate Senate hearings gavel to gavel in my last year of high school...the forebear of the OJ trial, the Oklahoma bombing, the WTC coverage.

 

And it was the Deputy Director of the FBI. Not an elected officail, not a political appointment.

 

Does anybody else who grew up with this feel unhinged right now?

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I didn't exactly grow up with it; I was an adult when he resigned. I guess I don't feel particularly unhinged. We knew the name would come out eventually.

 

And a lot of people knew he was a criminal and a liar for a long time before he finally resigned. It was just a matter of time it caught up with him. I haven't felt the same about this country since they actually re-elected that creep.

 

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...as opposed to the second Clinton and/or Bush administrations?

 

...as opposed to lying about sex and/or WMD's?

 

...as opposed to the talk radio/news dismantiling him?

 

...as opposed to the Yugoslovia (Home by Christmas)/Iraq (Mission Accomplished) fiascos? (I was at both, by the way)

 

...as opposed to the ENDLESS supply of unnamed sources and talking heads blathering on ENDLESSLY about everything from Universal Health Care to Up-Armoured Humvee's?

 

...I watched the Clinton Impeachment/9-11 Commision hearings, progeny of the Watergate hearings.

 

...and they are friends, laywers, policial appointees, Senate and Congressional staffers.

 

I do not feel unhinged. It all just a matter of "Everything Old is New Again", "Same S*#T, Different Day" and "Another F*#king Day in Paradise"

 

If you are going to let wheter or not we re-elected this putz or that putz jade and diminish your view of the country or its inhabitants, you too are a putz. Throw out the "Impeach Nixon" poster (Nixon spelt N-I-Swastika-O-N) and live out your life. Pass the pitcher of Margaritas and spin up another Jimmy Buffet album. For cryin' out loud, lighten up!

 

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

 

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"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana, "Life of Reason, Reason in Common Sense", Scribner's, 1905, page 284

 

Originally posted by Dave Brown:

There is no way to explain to you what kind of society the second Nixon administration took place in.

You don't have to, Dave, we're living in that same place today. Another war justified by an administration that lied to the world about its motives for doing so. Only difference is that we didn't offer to rebuild Vietnam for 300+ billion dollars.

 

Originally posted by Dave Brown:

My Dad watched the Watergate Senate hearings gavel to gavel in my last year of high school...the forebear of the OJ trial, the Oklahoma bombing, the WTC coverage.

"Now Watergate does not bother me;

Does your conscience bother you, now?

(tell the truth)" - Lynard Skynard, "Sweet Home Alabama"

 

Besides Powell's fairy tale to the UN about WMDs, (chemicals and biotoxins and nukes, oh my! :D ) I watched part of Watergate in college (couldn't avoid it, if you stood outside certain dorms you could hear the echoes of multiple TV sets playing across campus) but I didn't see much coverage of the OTC trials and NYC blocked broadcasting the WTC trial of the sole suspect that didn't make the flights. The truth, and the problem, is that I'm becoming used to this crap and starting to care less about being told the truth 30 years later. In fact, I was watching MSNBC yesterday when the story broke out, and the only "spin doctor" who didn't change his tune and admit all along it was the FBI guy was the one person who served his time without divulging anything - convicted Watergate felon G. Gordon Liddy. When he said this guy was one of many and we still have more "Deep Throats" in the background, I believed him. A convicted felon, yes, but he never lied about his role in the business. Giving the devil his due.

 

Originally posted by Dave Brown:

And it was the Deputy Director of the FBI. Not an elected officail, not a political appointment.

Just a disgruntled prince of Hoover's FBI (another agency that gathers information at the public's expense and then arbitrarily decides what information to lead to the taxpayers) that didn't get crowned and saw this as a way to tell the truth and save his job at the same time. (Been there, done that) Who's going to prosecute an ailing 91 year old man admitting to violating the ethics of his job? (especially since he already served time on a similar charge years later)

OTOH, I'm glad to see someone had a conscience to do something to bring the truth to the media, when it would have been easier to stay silent. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this conversation and who knows what other grand acts of warfare Nixon and company had planned for us.

 

Originally posted by Dave Brown:

Does anybody else who grew up with this feel unhinged right now?

Yes, my conscience DOES bother me. I wish there were something I could do about it other than ranting OT. And I did vote in 2004.

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Social Critic, I don't understand your post. I wasn't making any point defending or criticizing the Nixon administration.

 

I was simply pointing out that this final mystery revealed made that whole era come back to me. I'd have rather it remained a mystery.

 

Fred, we are not living in the same place today. America was not jaded in that time, and had not lost it's faith that the president was something special. That's the world I grew up in, and Watergate completely unhinged it.

 

For the record, I don't agree with Pat Buchanan that Deep Throat was a dishonorable man. Sure, he had an axe to grind, but he had to feel at least a bit of insecurity that those above him in the Executive branch and the Judicial branch would squash his story.

 

Oh yeah, Fred....when you say:

 

I wish there were something I could do about it other than ranting OT. And I did vote in 2004.

you have hit on exactly why I teach. Sure, it's orchestra, by my student's know about Kent State, Watergate, and a bunch of other stuff that is not "in the curriculum.'
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I gotta agree with Prague.

 

It's gonna be morally difficult for you to ever tell anyone else to bring their political discussions elsewhere when you opt to abuse your power as Moderator to start them here.

 

You should have gone to the PoliticalForum with this.

I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist.

 

This ain't no track meet; this is football.

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I've never asked anyone to avoid political discussions here. And I won't.

 

As long as they are clearly labelled "OT" I don't have a problem with it. The folks here are those who I know, and whose opinions I value.

 

Additionally, I haven't stated a political opinion. I merely stated that the revelation of Deep Throat weirded me out.

 

Still, I'll give this a few hours and delete the entire post.

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I thought the PoliticalParty was created by the powers-that-be to eliminate political posting on other Forums, in order to keep those forums relatively on-topic.

 

I didn't know you were not involved in that, and that you welcome politics here. My apologies for overstating the issue.

I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist.

 

This ain't no track meet; this is football.

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Originally posted by Dave Brown:

Fred, we are not living in the same place today. America was not jaded in that time, and had not lost it's faith that the president was something special. That's the world I grew up in, and Watergate completely unhinged it.

I have to agree with this, tho I'm only 27. There was a time (according to James Brown and the history books) when a lot of people were all about peace and love. Jimi Hendrix and others sang constantly of freedom.

 

But no one sings about freedom anymore; it's just not 'cool' anymore, cuz we've grown far more cynical as a society IMO. They sing about pain or materialism or sportsex - no more liberty, equality, fraternity and love. How could freedom ever be 'uncool?'

 

Watergate seems to be a huge impetus for the lamentable growth of cynicism. For those who perhaps didn't truly believe in freedom, peace, and love, Watergate gave them a good exscuse to abandon 'fashionable' notions and return to hate, anger and conservatism.

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Dave, thanks for giving us a chance to vent here. Even if you have to delete the post, it was nice getting to think out loud about my beliefs and comparing them with a peer. Better than calling a talk (shock) radio program and getting ridiculed for one's beliefs.

 

My world changed on November 22, 1963. Before that date Richard Nixon was back to practicing law in California, Vietnam was a police action to which we sent military advisors and there wasn't a problem in the world America couldn't fix given the time, manpower and resources, of which we were in abundance. After that date (although it took until Watergate before this sunk in) it was like the plot for the X-Files.

 

Your work with your pupils gives me hope, as I see others doing this around the country. This weekend I shared the stage with a younger band which was not only good musically but interesting to converse with afterwards. If it was bad people that got us into things like Watergate, perhaps there are good people coming of age that will bring us to a new fronteir. Not that I want Camelot back (some of that was a bit Disneyesque in retrospect) but it would be great to feel the country's in the hands of people who don't need to squeeze the last dollar of our GNP and tax base for personal gain or world domination.

 

And, disagree or not, everyone's got a voice and nobody's going to get whisked away at night by the secret police for talking against the government, past or present. We are luckier... no, more blessed, than most.

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Hunter Thompson said that Nixon was so crooked that he had to screw his pants on. Surprisingly, old Tricky Dicky could play nine instruments. Fortunately the bass wasn't one of them.

 

 

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