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I agree with what the UK govt have done - though my understanding is they actually haven't formally decriminalised, just cut down the penalties. I understand the police are happy as it will free them up to track down heroin dealers etc. In Australia decriminalisation occurred 10 years ago in two states, with no increase in use at all according to federal government research.
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okay guys- read the article before you move. :D [i]"...planned downgrade of marijuana from a Class B to a Class C drug -- putting it in the same group as steroids and [unprescribed] anti-depressants." "...in most cases of cannabis possession police will simply "issue a warning and seize the drugs." "...maximum sentences for dealers of Class C drugs will be increased from five years to at least 10." [/i]
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While I agree with what our government has done, (for about the first time) I think it's still not enough. They're softening up on dope smokers but getting tougher on the dealers. Yet where are these casual smokers to get their weed from? The dealers. This will still bring a lot of decent, honest people into contact with the criminal element and exposure to harder drugs.
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[quote]Originally posted by jimmyspick: [b]While I agree with what our government has done, (for about the first time) I think it's still not enough. They're softening up on dope smokers but getting tougher on the dealers. Yet where are these casual smokers to get their weed from? The dealers. This will still bring a lot of decent, honest people into contact with the criminal element and exposure to harder drugs.[/b][/quote]The only reason weed is thought to lead to harder drugs, is because a user thinks after doing weed, "What else has my govt. been lying to me about, let's see." If the powers that be would let up on the user, allowing them to grow (enough for personal use) instead of buying from thugs, I feel that pot would be less of a stepping stone drug.
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Some people are of the personality that they would try the harder drugs anyway, regardless of whether dope exists or not. As it's considered one of the softest drugs, many people start here before moving onto the harder stuff. This is not the fault of dope but rather the choice of the user. I agree with what you say XNU8D+, I got great satisfaction growing my own plants one time, cutting out all the dodgy dealers trying to rip people off. Also knowing that what I'm smoking is as free as how it exists in nature and spreading it among my friends for no financial gain.
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When I read this in the morning paper I just knew Alpha would log on with this. I wasnt disappointed. The article I read pointed out that Denmark and Italy both treat personal use very lightly. Then of course there Amsterdam/Holland. With the borders open now across Europe it will be hard to contain and I expect will lead to a broader loosining up of things. Canada ,in vancouver, is not far behind. Then, maybe we can embarrass the US govt into doing the same. It is just sooo stupid and wastefull having otherwise producive and harmless folks go into the criminal justice system over this.

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just on topic of stepping stone to other drugs... well what is alcohol? caffiene? you can argue that any form of mood-altering substance is a stepping stone to the next its kinda funny thinking about a society that markets things like caffiene as NEEDED things (take a look at the smiles when they get their coffee in the advertisements), getting all upset about people trained to WANT THINGS FAST AND BRIGHT AND WOW AND ACTION AND ALTERED having other substances comes down to money i guess. "stepping stones" to other drugs... thats a personality issue moreso then some lofty fictional propaganda author's Joining Of The Dots for some committee meeting (all clap politely now... here comes the new drug policy... yawn.. how do you spell STALE RHETORIC?) i must also laugh in the news at the presidents daughters.... and i quote "disgracefully boozing up"... they are 20 right? and they were just drinking beer? no wonder USA has so great a drug issue... most other countries allow alcohol to people at 18. in countries around europe children drink wine with meals and its just a part of life... not worth "abusing" because its not DEFINED as something to abuse. im sure its easier to get joints then beer underage in usa. i dont smoke pot but wish theyde just demistify the bloody stuff by legalising and educating and finally getting back to utilising its other properties such as for paper, hemp etc etc plus itd shut up the stinky hippies. thats always a good thing (although they just banned SALVIA here in australia... so i guess theyd whinge about THAT next) its not hard to imagine a scenario where Caffiene (coffee) is illegal... a parrelel world to this one... "hippies" crying out "but it keeps you alert and can be useful as a diuretic! its natural! it grows naturally" straight-edgers crying "no but if abused it can lead to high blood pressure! if children take it it can send them hyperactive etc etc...
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[quote]Originally posted by DRiLoad: [b]its kinda funny thinking about a society that markets things like caffiene as NEEDED things (take a look at the smiles when they get their no wonder USA has so great a drug issue... most other countries allow alcohol to people at 18. in countries around europe children drink wine with meals and its just a part of life... not and its not hard to imagine a scenario where Caffiene (etc etc...[/b][/quote]The U.S. allows teenagers to drive at age 16, and the last thing we need is to let them have easier and more access to alcohol. Drunk driving is a much larger problem than a teens right to get wasted on cheap beer. When I was London recently, people were smoking joints in Leceister Square right in front of the police, and the police didn't seem to care at all. The police are very mellow there....probably a contact high ;) Switzerland is now the land of marijuana. Open up a High Times magazine and check out their indoor high-tech and legal growing factories. It's porno for the Jeff Spicoli crowd.
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Alcohol, tobacco and caffiene are a much bigger problem in this country than weed, IMO. What kills me about the drinking age that by 18 years of age you can do everything BUT drink alcohol include own a firearm, serve in the military, vote, drive a car, own a home, etc. My belief is that any organic substance found on God's green earth, regardless of it's effects on people, should be legal.
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I remember watching a TV show on what will probably happen if marijuana is legalised (in the U.S. anyway). The pot industry will become just that, an industry like tobacco. Companies (most likely current tobacco companies) will grow marijuana and advertise how smooth and mellowing their product is compared to their competitors. The U.S. gov't will get a cut because pot will be taxed like tobacco. The marijuana industries will see that pot is a profitable venture and will at least limit the amount a person can grow on their own (like tobacco and home brewing). The scary part is, the marijuana companies (if the tobacco industry is any indication) will add other chemicals (maybe even nicotine) to make sure you are addicted (which marijuana isn't in its natural form). There is hope though that some grass (pun intended :) ) roots companies will grow and sell pot naturally but most of them will be driven out of business by the bigger corporations. Having said all that, I am still in favor of legalizing marijuana. It is a natural, non-addicting substance that is no harmful than other legal substances like nicotine, alcohol and caffeine. I wouldn't mind lighting up a doobie to help me sleep some nights. :p OK, I admit I've used it recreationally and wouldn't mind not having the fear of being arrested for it. :D

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[quote]Originally posted by Dylan: [b]They just need to make it legal everywhere and get over it. Think of how much revenue the govt could make on the taxes alone![/b][/quote]The fed govt' makes MORE off the black market than the tax revenue that might be generated post-legalization. This is why any legalization won't upheld by the federal courts. I believe, unfortunately, it is that simple... I am surprised that here in Nevada they managed to conjure up the necessary signatures to get it on the ballot -
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[quote]Originally posted by Dogfur: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Dylan: [b]They just need to make it legal everywhere and get over it. Think of how much revenue the govt could make on the taxes alone![/b][/quote]The fed govt' makes MORE off the black market than the tax revenue that might be generated post-legalization.[/b][/quote]Pardon my ignorance, but how?

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Yes- Drug eradication is a nice big new market for military hardware manufacturers, what with government cutbacks and all. A few minor mods and it`s the same market, basically. There`s also the pesticide makers, who can get customers for things like Roundup, which kills every living green thing in its path. In all, some very nasty people do well off the illegality of substances. in Malaysia, users can get the gallows and it has happened to grandmothers, tourists, etc. A couple who lived there told me that it has allowed the local police forces to become the sole dealers, with an iron clad system. How can you complain if you get ripped off, etc? And while some indigenous guerilla movements use the drug trade to finance their actions, so do the right wing paramilitaries, if the U.S. decides they`re too hot to handle directly. so with all these groups with their hands in the pie, what are the chances of someone saying we need to cut all these people out of the loop? Bravo Europe!
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Damn! just when I quit smoking (again!) Oh well ..... BONG!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D I smoke weed and have done for years but it's not entirely safe. I've known two people have major problems - one guy had a breakdown and another has just been sectioned for the third time in as many months. Some people start smoking at a time in their life when they are vunerable and weed can push them over the edge. There again, I also know people who have real problems with booze and that's legal - and kicking tobacco is REALLY tough.
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[quote]Originally posted by Pro Jules: [b]So many folks are at it (smoking weed) what can ya do? :eek: Perhaps the most remarkable thing about it all is that they got the law passed - it shows just how weak the right wing is at the moment.. YAAAA HOOOOOO! :D [/b][/quote]There's a right wing? I thought Blair was right wing? :eek:
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